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Never mind exp's rights, what are mine?

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LBA · 14/03/2008 20:27

This is likely to be a long post but i'll try and keep it as brief as I can.

For the last nine years ive been struggling with my exps behaviour towards his son. We were quite young when we got together and split mutually when ds was 18 months old.

Exp is predictable. He finds a new partner, within a short space of time he's given up his home and shacked up with at her mother's. During this time he wont see ds as he has no kind of real accomodation. He will also lose his job at this point because he cares for nothing but his new partner. Then they will get a house and the contact starts on a nice regular basis. He gets another job. He then gets his partner pregnant and the excuses start, contact gets less and less. Shortly after they have the baby they split up, he doesn't see his new child and sleeps on his friend's sofa for six months. He finally gets accommodation of his own and will see ds again.

Then he meets another girl, gives up his home/job and the whole things starts again. Im not kidding, this is the fourth time in nine years.

Last Easter I finally had enough He was in the have new gf phase, living at her mums and letting ds down, he ignored my phonecalls for 3 weeks, not even an easter egg for ds (he said he couldn't afford one). I have never done this before but I stopped contact completely.

Three months later he phones out of the blue begging to see ds. I relented and told him things had to change. They did for a while but it really affected ds. He couldn't trust his dad anymore, thought that every time he came home dad would be letting him down again. I was called into the school and told that my son was telling his teacher he felt like "killing himself". I was practically interrogated. I tried to put my point across and explain what had happened but if im honest ive felt under suspicion ever since.

Ds has a happy life here with me, I provide everything he could ever want. He knows he is loved and wanted. We talk often, we're very close, but I have no control over what his father does to him.

At school even now nearly a year on, ds is constantly questioned by teachers, teaching assistants on his "situation" and if "everything is alright at home". He has been labelled as "one of those kids" which makes me furious at times. I have been phoned by the deputy head and practically interrogated too in an agressive manner. Ive been asked very personal questions about our home life which have had me in tears because I do everything I possibly can and its like banging my head against a brick wall with exp.

I go to work and provide for my kids. I always put them first, they are never out of my thoughts. I am a single mother yes but im not irresponsible. (Scatty and disorganised yes I admit). Last year I went out three times, they are hardly neglected. They have a good home here.

Going off on a tangent there. So ds has just started to trust his dad again and we now find out that exp's gf is pregnant. (The fourth). Today he has let ds down. Called at the very last minute saying he was not seeing him this weekend as he had "things to do". It didn't matter what I said, that he should have told me sooner, that he wasn't being fair to ds. He said it was no big deal, one weekend. It wouldn't be a big deal I suppose but I know this is just the start again.

Im feeling rubbish that I cant protect ds from this, and that I have no reasonable grounds to do anything about it despite the fact I KNOW what is going to happen next.

I have to sit here now and watch my son being pushed out again, and take the blame when school ring me up because he's crying in class.

I have no idea what to do at all. Ive tried talking to exp but at age 32 he still acts like a lovestruck teenager. He just does not understand how much he has hurt ds over the years (and continues to do so). His personal life is none of my business but it becomes my business when it affects our son. If I stop contact again, he'll play the "I have a right to see my son" card despite the fact he told me tonight he will see ds when he feels like it and bring him back late when he feels like it, he is totally unreasonable.

Sorry, I know this is so long.

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joyfulspike · 14/03/2008 20:38

I feel for you and esp your ds. When my parents split my dad was just the same, if he bothered to get in contact at all - no birthday or xmas cards its worse when you know they are spending time with other kids. All I can say is that my mum asked for a meeting with the school and explained the problems to them. We were lucky as they were understanding and suportive, I had a teacher I could go to when things were really bad. I don't know what to say really, perhaps speaking to your ds's teacher and explaining there are probs with his dad, maybe counselling might help him as he might have feelings he can't tell you as you might worry or feel worse? I wish it were possible to MAKE him stick to it - selfish b'stard.

LBA · 14/03/2008 20:44

The school arent supportive of me im afraid. They blame me. Im being blamed for something I have tried so hard to remedy. I have been more than reasonable with this man for nine years and its no use.

I dont want ds growing up and blaming me too.

Im getting it from all directions

I cant sit here and watch my ds getting hurt again. Im so frustrated.

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seeker · 14/03/2008 20:54

WHat are the school saying? Is your ds troubled and expressing it at school? If not, what the hell businessis it of theirs?

joyfulspike · 14/03/2008 20:56

Your ds will get angry and upset and take it out on you - you're the one that's there. It doesn't mean he'll blame you - well, he might say it, but it'll be becuase he can't express himself - I've been there & done it. In that respect, all you can do is be there, let him know you're there for him etc which is what you're already doing.

I'm guessing your ds is 10sih so will be going to secondary soon? perhaps when you know where he's going, you contact them up front before he starts if poss and get your point across then?

As far as current school concerned, again you're there, you're the easy target. They should know better. I'm disgusted at their attitude tbh. Don't know what to suggest really, but we're all here for you.

do you have access to legal advice to try and stop all contact completely becuase of this? This is clearly causing your son mental anguish?

orangehead · 14/03/2008 21:01

ok if there is no court order for him to see his son and you feel that his intermittent contact is bad for your son you are well within your right to stop contact and tell him if he wants to take it further to get a solis. If he is serious he will have to take it to court, but from what you have said it sounds like he just might not bother. If he does, court doesnt take intermitent contact lightly they like to see commitiment. They will likely give a court order stating when he can see him. If or when he breaks that court order by not seeing him again you are fully within your right to stop contact which means he would have to take it back to court, in which case court will not look lightly on him breaking the court order and probably tell him to stop wasting thier time. Alternatively you could tell him this and that you know you are within your rights to stop contact and this is his final warning and if he messes ds around again you will stop contact

LooptheLoop · 14/03/2008 21:29

LBA - sorry I really feel for you. Sounds an impossible position and yet you still keeping having to dothe right thing for your son whilst his dad can't be bothered.

I'm sure your batteries must be running low but thank god your son has you.

My husband was bought up in a very similar environment - his Mum did all the day in, day out parenting and his dad was a womanising selfish xxxx who could only be bothered once in a while. Only consolation is that years down the road, he is very clear about how much he owes his mum.

Hang in there

Tinkerbel6 · 15/03/2008 09:58

LBA I wouldnt risk your sons mental health for the sake of your ex wanting to see your son whenever its convenient for him, its not fair on your son and its certainly not in his best interest, no father is better than a yoyo father, I think you need to see your GP about your son and then when he is older leave it up to him if he wants to see his father or not.

kama · 15/03/2008 13:54

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charliecat · 15/03/2008 13:58

I wouldnt tell your ds that he was coming TBH I would just open the door and say Oh look! Daddys here....
Thats what I do with my dds and he hasnt let us down yet, but the systems in place in case he does find something more important than them.

LBA · 15/03/2008 14:00

Thanks for all your kind messages. Ds was in a foul mood last night. He didn't cry, which is something I suppose but for such a normally placid child he had a stinker of a mood on him. He doesn't do anger so I had to put up with a night of bitchy comments from him instead .

He made a comment to my friend that her son "spends more time with his dad than her" which thankfully she didn't take as an insult (Im 100% certain it was meant that way). He also told me that dd doesn't like being with me and then complained that money from his moneybox had gone missing (which it hadn't, he spent it in Toys R Us last week). Then before bed I asked him if he'd like a chat (he normally does) and he said no and turned his back on me. He was obviously feeling hurt and left me feeling worse.

I really dont want stop contact if I can take another route but I see a heck of a difference in him and dd whose father has never wanted to meet her. She's happy and stable, so yes, I do think no father is better than a yoyo father though of course neither scenario is ideal. (I do pick them so well ).

How do I go about getting courts involved? I wouldn't have a clue, ive always tried to avoid it. Maybe that would be enough to bring him to his senses, although I have my doubts.

And maybe one day soon exps gf will be posting on here saying how unreasonable I am. The poor girl hasn't a clue what he is like but she'll find out sadly because she's next in line . I really feel for her too because she does seem a nice person.

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orangehead · 15/03/2008 14:21

You dont have to get the courts involved, it has to be him taking you to court, if you stop contact. It is abit silly that women have to make such a decision to try and sort things out but thats the way the system works. You could maybe get a solis involved and get some agreement through solis of when he should see ds and that might deter him from messing you both about but if he breaks that it wont have the same consequences as if he breaks a court order. Its prob best to speak to solis to run through options and just have some record of whats been going on.

bebopallula · 17/03/2008 19:37

hi there... sounds like he knows he can do what he likes because you really want him to have a RELATIONSHIP with his son.. because you think it is important so you are on his side. i have had a lot of excuses from my sons father over the years too and believe me i know what its like to feel powerless. it feels dreadful and chances are your kids will feel some of this too, thats not to say you should feel guilty (as mothers often do) try to have the strength to overide his influence, he is having a negative effect. Unfortunately, being a mum has some difficult decisions to make and no mother wants there children to hurt but ultimately if your son felt clear about the situation eg. that dad loves him but not able to see him due to the life he has chosen, maybe he could move out of this not knowing 'to and fro'ing situation...? i don't know, i'm still battling with my ex after 15yrs! it's unbelievable really that we havent moved forward, we did for a short while but sons dad is so immature, a selfish disrespectful prat actually) i have been like you, accommodating him but he treats me like shit I feel for you an think you need to take more control over the situation...this is what i need to do you will feel better and i'm sure your son will.. what is your son like during the periods he doesn't see him? is he a lot worse or is it worse when he is seeing him but erratically? i'm thinking of going for legal advice for my situation... my son is 15yrs old and is starting to see his father for what he really is, kids do eventually find out for themselves, best to hang in there don't be afraid of seeming like the bad one because you know you will do what is best for you and your kids, if you can't make that decision, go to citizen advice and seek family solicitor, in a way it might help you and your son feel better that the decision is based on what is fair and best for all.

LBA · 21/03/2008 17:21

He's done it again today. Last night I called him (as ds's request) and tried to come to some reasonable agreement about easter. I tried so hard. I asked what time he would collect ds today, explained that I had to work as im having Tuesday off instead to cover dd's nursery being closed.

He agreed to collect ds from my mum's at "lunchtime".

"Lunchtime" to ds is 12.00.

12.00 he hadn't turned up. Ds phoned him "I'll pick you up in about an hour".

1pm, he's not there.

2pm, he's not there.

Ds phones him again. "Oh i'm out, i'll pick you up at 2.30".

2.30pm, he's not here. Ds says to me "If dad knew he was supposed to pick me up, why has he gone out?".

3pm he saunters up to the door.

Ds takes with him, his sleeping bag and quilt. I learnt this morning that he has to sleep on the floor and he's cold, so has started taking his own stuff .

What's more, last week I didn't really see what he took. I saw the sleeping bag and assumed it was some kid camping out thing (he has his funny little ways, ive stopped trying to work them out!). I didn't realise that his quilt was inside the sleeping bag. Obviously knowing he wouldn't be here for the night, I had taken his bedcovers off to wash so the quilt was bare. Exp's gf apparently decided that his quilt wasn't good enough for her and it came back with a worn flowery cover thing on. Cue mummy silently spitting feathers.

So guess which muggins will be shortly buying a camp bed for him to sleep in at his dad's house?

I did not utter a word to that bloke tonight. Not a word. I was biting my tongue so hard.

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LBA · 21/03/2008 17:22

That would be last time obviously, not last week!

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vixnpips · 22/03/2008 11:45

LBA grrrr and frustrated for you. MY pennys worth here but if I was in your postion I would. go to court and get a contact order based on the fact you want your DS to have a relationship with X. At this time I would ask for a temporary order and for CAFCASS to get involved as although you want them to have a relationship your worried about what is happening now and the effect it is having on DS and the resulting problems you are having from the school. Your DS shouldn't be sleeping cold on the floor!
Then take that order to a meeting with the school , saying what you have done to resovle the issue and ask them how they can support your DS in a productive way. Maybe then suggest regular meetings to keep an eye on how things are progressing with your DS's education etc.
I would also have a chat with your GP and see if there is anyway or point of getting help with some councilling for DS because you don't want what is happening now affecting him or your relationship with him. Gps are usual pretty good and have a fountain of suggestions ( if you got a good one ).
It's only based on my experience with was a little different. but this way worked for me.. and more importantly improved things for DC.
hope it helps a bit. and big hugs to you and DS x

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