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Ex is ruining daughters routine , don't know what to do

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AnyUsername123 · 16/03/2023 10:43

Hi all,

My ex sees his daughter once a fortnite, this has moved to overnight (sat through to sun) around 2 months ago.

Backstory -

We broke up and my daughter and I were rehomed for our own safety - because of him. Over a long period of time he was aggressive and shouted alot. He would manipulate and lie constantly. Making living with him awful. I'd try to leave but get threats of him killing himself etc. Police were involved on one big occasion as were social services/family workers. An incident occured in which he hurt our baby in the heat of the moment. Not the first time but the first recorded by police. They told me he would be arrested for common assault to a minor and off we went to temporary accommodation. He's a teacher. Presumably because of his job , first offence , who knows. They didn't go back and arrest him like they said. Social services were involved , they made him do courses. They suggested someone be a supervisory for a while if he was to see daughter. His mum (she's useless too and enables his behaviour by finding reasons why it's acceptable and refuses to believe her son is capable of harm) became a supervisory. Until, a few incidents happened. Ex was using drop offs as an excuse to rage at me. Daughter came home severely dehydrated (fontanelle visually drooping ), fed cheese when lactose intolerant and it was clear his mental health was all over the place. Social said to refuse care temporarily and suggest he seeks legal advice/take me to court. My solicitor feels it's an an easy win for me however police not following through isn't perticular helpful and I don't really want to do this. It's also not my responsibility to take him to court.
Over 4 months pass with no contact from him. He reached out on the morning of her first birthday eventually via email to which I dropped everything to allow him to see her. He stayed for 20mins and showed up with no gift which seems sad to me. He told me he hadn't actually got legal advice and it's his mum who wanted to take me to court. It's clear he hasn't got that desire. He said he'd like to see her maybe once every now and again. I agree as long as I was the supervisory in a public place. whilst my anxiety was shot from doing this , I'm the only one who can guarantee her welfare. This went ok , few hiccups like forgetting wet wipes and nappies but nothing awful. After some time I agree that he could take her on his own at public places and I would pick up after. Social services were ok with this as long as I was ok she was safe. Most occasions were straightforward except swimming in which his inexperience and inability to have any common sense with young children was clear. Lifeguard got involved as did another mother as he was well out of his depth and putting daughter at risk, she took on water and it was just disastrous. All recorded and I told him that it was too advanced for him and to keep it simple. Agreed. Moved on.
Few more sessions and he moved on to having her unsupervised. I'm beyond stressed but nothing major has happened in a while and ultimately it would be good for daughter to have relationship with dad. Move onto once overnight once a fortnite , few hiccups recorded but nothing major.

Two overnight sessions have passed and I've been told that he's choosing to play sports on the Saturday he has her. He does this weekly. I did ask when setting up the overnight sessions , what would happen since it was mid season. He assured me daughter came first and he'd just play once a fortnite and spend quality time with her. I've found out now that he's still playing and she was put in a buggy with his mum at the sidelines whilst he plays. She's 1.5years old and hates being confined. I barely use the buggy , she can walk well. There's no park or green area to play on. She's just sat there in very cold conditions as it's February. I wasn't best pleased as I thought we'd agreed she would enjoy her day and that he was spending time with her. She isn't benefiting at all by being stuck in a buggy. I offered to take her back for the half day so she's warm and doing something with me and he can continue to play. Hes refused. But he's refusing not to play. So I asked if his mum could plan something inside for her perhaps. I feel like it's his responsibility to ensure she's not out in the cold and providing appropriate alternatives should he choose to waste time with her. He eventually ( after getting angry at me) agreed. He also mentioned his mental health is so bad he has to play which has put a red flag up and got me worried. Personally I'd have thought seeing your toddler would have been more beneficial but each to their own.
I really feel like his efforts since taking his little girl overnight have dropped significantly. Recently he dropped her back in leggings and a t shirt. No socks no jumper. It's frosty and 7am. He dressed himself in jumper and jacket. I addressed this and he said he was stressed as drop off was earlier than usual. I feel that's a poor excuse but we move on. He is a teacher and has 14 days coming up off for easter. He's mentioned in the past about potentially spending extra time with her on holidays. I've questioned it recently but he's not pursued it. Again sort of shows me his lack of effort and desire to see her. I think contact it's mainly driven by his mother rather than him. Truthfully , if she wasn't around , I think hed only see her birthdays, Xmas and holidays....he himself told me this before she was involved.
Fast forward to now - he's still seeing her once a fortnite as above. Lack of effort in my eyes but nothing to really show social or anyone in perticular and I don't think I'd want to stop contact. Although I don't feel she's getting an awful lot out of it , some relationship is better than none or is it?

The biggest issue , is her routine. Its absolutely shattered every time she sees him. He has never understood the importance of routine for our little one..baring in mind she's had lots of big changes, it's paramount. I've also been told she's advanced and that routine is very important to her at this age. When she comes home , she closes the front door on him and is straight into my arms. For the following few days , she's glued to me. I can't even go to the bathroom without her there. She wants cuddles and reassurance constantly. She wants attention and to be played with all the time. If I don't , she acts up and gets upset / frustrated. Not sure if this is lack of attention at his ( he used to be glued to his phone , never once did I see him read to her , play on the floor or even sing to her. He would ignore her when coming in from work , so I don't know if thats still the case) or is it just that she misses me.
On top of this , her nap and bedtime goes to a shambles. It takes me another week to get it back , just for him to ruin it again the following weekend. When she came back this week , she was so all over the place , she didn't fall asleep until 5am and then 2am the next night. I know damn well he's not giving her proper nap times, it's so evident. Problem is , you just can't talk to him. He turns into an argument or lies. Any suggestions? I'm half tempted to take back the overnight session but it will cause so much drama. But this currently is doing any good for little one or even me.

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MaireadMcSweeney · 16/03/2023 10:46

I got as far as you dropped everything to let him see her. Why? Why not make him go to court as you were advised?
if he's not safe to care for your DD then stop contact.

AnyUsername123 · 16/03/2023 10:51

It felt like a better option than court. Time had passed as well. It felt wrong for him not to see her at all. Social services closed case as they were happy with her being in my care. On reflection court should have happened but I just wanted to do right by my daughter which is why I supervised

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MaireadMcSweeney · 16/03/2023 10:55

It sounds like things have moved on and he's not currently unsafe with her, just a bit shit. You can't really stop contact because he's a bit shit.

quietnightmare · 16/03/2023 10:56

Her watching her dad ok the sidelines is the least of the issues here. Get legal advice this can't go on. Your daughter comes first so put her first. The only issue you may have is having 'proof' of all the above as he will deny all and have an excuse for the police incident so you don't know what the courts will say so legal advice needs to be implemented here.

By the sounds of it though this won't go in for much longer he will wait her relent and things will calm down or he will just slowly disappear until he has no involvement once the anger between the two of you lessons

daisydot22 · 16/03/2023 10:59

I got as far as the swimming bit. How is this man a teacher if he's got such a basic lack of common sense with keeping children safe?

Shylo · 16/03/2023 11:02

The biggest issue is not the lack of routine , it’s the 57 other issues you listed before that!!

why are you persistently allowing this man to behave like this - just stop allowing unsupervised access to your child, she is gaining nothing from this and is potentially being put in harms way for what?

Bunnyishotandcross · 16/03/2023 11:03

Imo he needs supervised in a contact centre...risky allowing his dm to be the third parent here... She could apply for her own regular contact via court... He isn't that interested op. Your dd is actually suffering.. Scale back the time he has her. Or agree to soft play and you sit at another table. Overnight? No way in Hell.

Fluffawuffla · 16/03/2023 11:05

I have absolutely no idea why you are facilitating contact. The fact that he can’t really be bothered with court, and the serious incidents you describe were a gift from god, in enabling you to avoid having to leave your daughter with this dangerous individual.

My suggestion is that you get legal advice. I know we’re all brainwashed into thinking that a relationship with both parents is absolutely paramount. But not if he’s dangerous. What if he decides to take her swimming at the beach. There’s no life guard then.

ArmWrestlingWithChasNDave · 16/03/2023 11:11

There's so much wrong here I don't know where to start. A teacher deliberately hurt a baby and nobody seems to care enough to do anything about it?

You're her mother. Your job is to keep her safe. Stop forcing her to see this piece of shit.

maranella · 16/03/2023 11:13

Agreed - why are you facilitating this contact OP? Your long, rambling post is full of your anxiety about your DD's health and safety when she's with him. Being neglected by him for a day ever two weeks isn't good for her. Having a relationship with someone who is so self-absorbed that he can't put her first for 24 fucking hours every two weeks is a negative. If he wants to see her, make him take you to court. There have been so many instances of him not doing the right thing - injuring her when she was a baby, allowing her to get so dehydrated that it was visible to you, endangering her life by taking her swimming when he didn't know what the fuck he was doing and two actual adults had to intervene for her safety, not dressing her properly for the cold weather, leaving her sat on the sidelines of his football game in the cold for 1.5 hours so he could please himself. He shouldn't be in charge of a small DC. He's not responsible or caring enough and if it were my DC I'd walk over hot coals to stop him having sole charge at all, even for an hour. He simply should not be having unsupervised contact with her. It's not safe.

LittleOwl153 · 16/03/2023 11:27

I'd back track on the overnights as of now. She's not coping with it and it is her comfort/safety that is paramount here.

Then I'd set up a parenting app. I'd use this to communicate exactly what she needs and ask him to report back. So if she is with him for 4 hours of an afternoon and during that time he needs a nap then out this down. He cannot then say he didn't know. I'd cease communication in any format other than through the app.

He is clearly struggling mentally, and your daughter is too young to have tondeal with that. Giving him her routine in a way he needs to tick off might help?

What is his mother like with your dd? Would it be worth setting up something - not regularly to form a pattern - with her directly so that she sees dd and gets off his back about that and he can dip in when he is able? Would that work for dd?

I too am appalled at a teacher not knowing about keeping a toddler hydrated and can only hope that he teaches GCSE/A'levels who are more independant in the basics rather than primary kids.

AnyUsername123 · 16/03/2023 11:29

daisydot22 · 16/03/2023 10:59

I got as far as the swimming bit. How is this man a teacher if he's got such a basic lack of common sense with keeping children safe?

Shocking isn't it. He doesn't have a clue. He works with secondary which I think helps him. Domestic abuse and a caution for common assault towards a minor on his record and can still teach.

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CleaningOutMyCloset · 16/03/2023 11:34

Is stop all contact and tell him if he's truely serious about seeing his dd he either needs to take a tonne shit of parenting courses or take you to court

AnyUsername123 · 16/03/2023 11:34

LittleOwl153 · 16/03/2023 11:27

I'd back track on the overnights as of now. She's not coping with it and it is her comfort/safety that is paramount here.

Then I'd set up a parenting app. I'd use this to communicate exactly what she needs and ask him to report back. So if she is with him for 4 hours of an afternoon and during that time he needs a nap then out this down. He cannot then say he didn't know. I'd cease communication in any format other than through the app.

He is clearly struggling mentally, and your daughter is too young to have tondeal with that. Giving him her routine in a way he needs to tick off might help?

What is his mother like with your dd? Would it be worth setting up something - not regularly to form a pattern - with her directly so that she sees dd and gets off his back about that and he can dip in when he is able? Would that work for dd?

I too am appalled at a teacher not knowing about keeping a toddler hydrated and can only hope that he teaches GCSE/A'levels who are more independant in the basics rather than primary kids.

That's what I'm thinking and I like your wording about her not coping. I know it will cause backlash but like you said , her welfare is paramount. She's clearly stressed and not sleeping.
I wasn't aware of parenting apps , what a fantastic idea. I think that's definitely a way to go. It would help eliminate the issues of lying as well hopefully.

His mother isn't someone Id like to have contact with tbh. She just as clueless as him. She came back dehydrated and fed cheese when she was supervisory. Her excuse was 'it was a simple mistake and pray you never make one as we won't let you forget it'.

I honestly don't know how anyone 'forgets' to give a child water or feeds them cheese when their lactose intolerant. It's the basics. Yes he teaches secondary thankfully.

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NameChangePoP · 16/03/2023 11:36

OP, you've listed 101 reasons why he should NOT have unsupervised contact, and 0 reasons why he should. Yet you willingly give your child over to this man who's deliberately assaulted her previously?

You need to put your daughters needs first, and that means protecting her from him. I honestly despair for innocent children in posts like these.

AnyUsername123 · 16/03/2023 11:38

I completely agre with eveyrthing , I wish I'd have pushed it to court. I guess I thought there was a chance I'd lose and 50/50 was worse than once a fortnite. I also wanted to give him a chance. Problem I have now is exactly what I previous comment said , he's not endangering her really , most of that's in the past - he's currently just shit. Sometimes ceasing contact too quickly can have the opposite effect and view in the eyes of the court especially now when he's been having her for a few months

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BuddhaAtSea · 16/03/2023 11:42

One of the hardest things I had to learn after my divorce is that my DD’s dad doesn’t love her, not the way a parent should. Full grown arse man and he’d feed himself and then drop her off, for me to feed her, because he’s paying maintenance, and she didn’t have to wait long anyway. Or wouldn’t pick her up because it’s raining and he doesn’t have a car.

I would stop contact.

Doesthepopeshitinthewoods · 16/03/2023 11:52

An incident occured in which he hurt our baby in the heat of the moment. Not the first time but the first recorded by police.

You had to be rehomed for your safety.

He assaulted your baby.

He neglects your baby.

And you STILL dropped everything to let him see you baby on their first birthday??

I’m sorry, but what on earth are you doing?

Stop contact. Please stop it now. Protect your child.

AnyUsername123 · 16/03/2023 12:50

It's not a willingness. It will go to court otherwise , in which I will likely win. It is not a given however. Once a fortnite is better than 50/50. Most of the major issues are in the past. Recent issues are mainly down to him being shit rather than a danger. It will be hard to convince a court why Ive ceased contact based on recent occurrences. Yes , I should have allowed it to go to court. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I was told by family workers etc that sometimes allowing a dad contact is best. Hence why I was a supervisory. She wasn't immediately put back into his care. It took time

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AnyUsername123 · 16/03/2023 12:54

Yes allowed him to see her with myself and one other person in a public space. It was her first birthday. The police didn't actually do anything except caution which didn't do me any favours. I was trying to do right. He wasn't given contact without myself present for a long time. There doesn't seem to be any issues or danger currently , mainly just him being crap. It can be seen to be negative to stop contact based on not alot of evidence or reasoning.

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DrMeredithGrey2023 · 16/03/2023 13:04

Sorry, but I'm stuck on the part where he hurt his baby. Not for the first time? How many times did he actually hurt her? Why were the police not contacted the other times?

How old was the baby when he almost drowned her?

There's so much going on here that I actually don't know what to be more alarmed about.

If someone like the person you have described was the father of my child, he would have to prise them out of my cold, dead hands if he wanted visitation.

Doesthepopeshitinthewoods · 16/03/2023 13:13

The police know he assaulted his baby. He abused you. He’s a teacher. He neglected her to the point her fontanelle sunk from dehydration. He has physically harmed her multiple times.

I’m sorry, but what on Earth are you doing?!

Singleandproud · 16/03/2023 13:29

I can not believe this man is a teacher and treating his child like that. It has to be on purpose he simply cannot be that clueless and holding a job like that.

Yes, it's nice for DC to have contact with their dad, but you should have gone through a proper supervised contact centre - if there was a waiting list good she would be a little older and a little more able to fend for herself.
Stop contact, make a detailed diary of all of the actual real safeguarding issues and then either self refer to your local contact centre or wait for him to take you to court, where you will get funded as it's a DV case and make it a condition of his access. The longer it takes the better so that DD is older and more self sufficient and can get her own drinks etc.

ColadhSamh · 16/03/2023 13:29

My God!!! Why are you continuing to allow this man access to your child. He is abusing her and you are enabling him!!
Protect your child before it's too late.

AnyUsername123 · 16/03/2023 14:10

As I've said a few times now. She was not just thrown back into his care. I followed social services guidelines and was the supervisory. I should have taken it to court initially. However it was likely but not certain that I would win. The police changed their initial charge to a caution , meaning that social services will not offer a contact centre. The thought of 50/50 over once a fortnite was terrifying. It felt like a better option to try and work with him and become amicable with just once a fortnite contact than for things to get nasty and potentially get 50/50. Its taken over 6 months to get to this stage.

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