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Kids don't want to spend Christmas with Ex

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PaperDreamsHoney · 26/09/2021 10:45

So my ex and I split up this time last year after years of coercive control. Last Christmas, our plan was that we'd spend Christmas Day together for the sake of the kids - I was dreading it, but prepared to do it for my kids. Then a week or two before Christmas, he announced that he was changing plans because he didn't want to be alone and sad on other days around Christmas, so he was off to his mum's and wouldn't see the kids on Christmas Day. I was fuming but made plans for them to see him on the 23rd instead. Then when the London lockdown was announced before Christmas, he texted me to say he was getting out of the city so wouldn't be keeping his commitment to the kids, sorry about that. Funnily enough the kids were not impressed and DD refused to speak to him for several days. In the end we spent Christmas with our support bubble and had a blast.

Fast forward a year: he has the kids every other weekend and occasionally comes over midweek to take them out for dinner, but more often than not cries off because it's too far (25min), not convenient, too expensive etc. During the summer he took them away for 5 days, the longest they've ever been away from me, and didn't let them call me once. (He denies that last point, but DD says she asked and he refused, and I'd take her word over his any day.)

Now he wants to have the kids over Christmas, from the 24th-26th. His logic is that since he "didn't get to see them" last year, he should have them this year. I didn't like the idea but said to the kids "Daddy wants you to spend Christmas with him this year, so you'd go to his on Christmas Eve and come home on Boxing Day." DD (10) interrupted with a firm "no", and DS (5) looked like he was going to cry. DD has suggested maybe they could go to his on Christmas Day in the afternoon and stay over til Boxing Day. It sounds like a good compromise to me, so I suggested it to XH, who has said absolutely not. As far as he's concerned, the children's preferences are "only one factor". As far as I'm concerned, if they don't want to bloody go and they're going to be miserable, why would he force it? If they were thrilled at the idea of going to his for the whole time, of course I'd be secretly dreading being on my own, but their needs come first and I'd wave them off with smiles before going inside and crying into my jaffa cakes.

So what I'm wondering is, given that we have no legal written agreement regarding child arrangements, whether I should just tell him to get stuffed and back the kids up. I think they're old enough to know what they want to do.

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WouldBeGood · 26/09/2021 10:47

Tell him to get stuffed and back the kids up. Their suggestion sounds more than reasonable.

SkiingIsHeaven · 26/09/2021 11:11

Kids have the right idea.

He is immature. Stick with the kids and have another great Christmas with them.

Stuff him.

Birdkin · 26/09/2021 11:40

Definitely tell him to get stuffed.

Good for your daughter that’s she’s self-assured enough to say what she wants, also shows she’s got confidence in you to back her up.

GinIronic · 26/09/2021 11:44

I would also tell him to get stuffed. You could make these plans and he may still cancel because he has no money or something more exciting has come along.

Noshowwithoutpunch · 26/09/2021 11:46

"Christmas afternoon- boxing day or nothing , matey" is what you need to say.

TheLovelinessOfDemons · 26/09/2021 11:47

Tell him to get stuffed and back the kids up. I wouldn't want to spend Christmas or any other time with him either.

BananaPB · 26/09/2021 14:38

Tell him to take it or leave it. He can take you to court if he wants to make a point but it'll cost him time and money. The children and you have offered a fair compromise.

My ex and I do the Christmas Day handover too. Our kids want to see both of us on the 25th and luckily live close enough for it to be possible to do this

Jumpingintosummer · 26/09/2021 14:46

I agree with everyone else!

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 26/09/2021 14:51

See you in court

which he doesn't seem arsed to pursue

So Game Over

Disfordarkchocolate · 26/09/2021 14:51

I agree with your kids.

He showed you what his priorities are last year, my feeling is that he's got someone he wants to impress this year and it's not his children.

WouldBeGood · 26/09/2021 14:53

I don’t think a court would interested as you’re already offering Christmas Day contact.

PaperDreamsHoney · 26/09/2021 17:33

Thanks for all the responses. The kids appear to have Christmas all planned out already - apparently we're having pasta bake for Christmas dinner, followed by rice pudding. 😂 (Tbf that's fine by me - I used to have to spend half the day cooking instead of getting to play with the kids.)

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EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall · 26/09/2021 17:56

Is say well that's your choice take it or leave it .

WouldBeGood · 26/09/2021 17:58

That sounds like a great Christmas dinner @PaperDreamsHoney 😃 Have a nice time

GettingItOutThere · 26/09/2021 21:24

kids have the right plan! tell him get stuffed and enjoy your pasta!

PaperDreamsHoney · 27/09/2021 09:00

@Disfordarkchocolate

I agree with your kids.

He showed you what his priorities are last year, my feeling is that he's got someone he wants to impress this year and it's not his children.

Totally right about what his priorities are, evidently - DD tested positive for covid last night and all he can say is "oh dear."
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DebbieHarrysCheekbones · 27/09/2021 16:28

He sounds incredibly entitled and like many such people someone who thinks he can play fast and loose with others’ - in this case his own children’s - feelings.

Thank goodness your children have a centred and dedicated mother who is supportive and respectful of them

BlackeyedSusan · 28/09/2021 22:48

Say after him messing the kids around last year, they were very distressed they want to stay with you this year. offer him some dates when they will be available after christmas so say boxing day to the 2?th

martingrowler · 28/09/2021 23:08

He's never get it through court this quickly. And it doesn't sound like he'd be arsed to anyway. Stick with the kid's plan

AnneLovesGilbert · 28/09/2021 23:11

What a dick.

Say no.

Hope DD is better soon.

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