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Siblings fighting

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gardenbeachsand · 04/09/2021 15:16

Hello,

Im after some help, my ds1 - 14 has told his father a week ago, he wants to move in with him, we live a hour away so it will be a big move. Ds14 has said that when hes with his dad he wants to move and when ds is with me he doesnt want to move. But we do have issues.

One issue with me concerns my ds2, whos just turned 13, they argue and have just started fighting when arguing. Over the last year when they have argued ds1 has rang or texted his father and gone there for a night or two. Ive tried to talk to his father about situations that make ds1 text his father and he just says let ds1 do what he wants

Sometimes ds1 says he goes to get away for from ds2 but as i dont think its needed he says thats when i side with ds2.

A year later i feel that all me or ds2 have to do is breathe wrong and ds1 texts his father and off he goes.

Ds1 has always said I treat ds2 better than him, i really try to treat them the same but ds1 is argumentive and ds2 is the totally opposite, over the years ds1 was always the one that when i said not to do something ds1 did it so he got put on time out a lot.

Life seemed settled until ds1 turned 13 (too old for timeouts) and he wanted to be treated differently to ds2 as now ds1 is a teenager (kept saying he felt i didnt treat him like a teen but couldnt give examples) ds1 has one close friend but covid restricted more freedom, like going out etc.

When ds1 and ds2 argue, its gone past what they argue about but how they argue, and it quickly results to name calling each other, when i become involved ds1 starts arguing with me and when i leave them to it, they start psychically fighting.

When i become involved i try to see both sides sometimes ds1 is right sometimes its ds2 ,sometimes they are both wrong, sometimes they are both right.
(right isnt the best word to use, but its whats ds1 and 2 use )

The times when ds2 is right, thats when ds1 kicks off.

Unless im "horrible" (as ds1 says when im taking away devices time )
to ds2, ds1 isnt happy.
With both if they show a negative behaviour, ill give a warning about taking time of their devices, ds2 listens but ds1 doesnt and has even hid the device from me so i cant take it.

Over the last year i feel all the rules in the house have gone as ds1 has questioned everything i do and when he says i treat ds2 better he will bring up something from a years ago that ds2 did and got told off for but ds1 would say he got away with it.

I feel emotionally beat and trying to get help.

Yesterday i was speaking to a close friend over the phone and ds1 and ds2 started arguing as soon as they opened there eyes, they have been bickering the last few days over the playstation, i was fed up with the arguing over it and we needed to go out and get the last of the school things and when i said this ds1 and ds2, ds2 said it was his turn first on the playstation and he said he hated me and i ignored him for saying it.

My friend on the phone she said to me that i sided with ds2 and she can see why ds1 wants to move.

She has children a couple of years older and said her children did the same thing but she stopped it before it got worse. And maybe ds2 upsets ds1 on purpose to get ds1 to leave.
I said i cant see it and over the last year ds1 has behaved negative and got away with it and now ds2 is copying.

Over the phone she said to ds1 and 2 to do as i say and go out and get the school things and she said ds2 is banned from the playstation for the day as he said he hated me.

To which ds2 got upset and said he didnt like my friend, but also when he was upset he had like a panic attack and was scratching his arm till it bleed. Ive never seen this behaviour before.

I have spoken to ex and he gives the boys pocket money and thats what he threatens to takes away but he says the boys are never bad enough so he never does it.

Im the adult and listening to ex and my close friend have just shown the kids a lack of respect to me as i keep asking others for advice and they like it when it suits them but they dont like it when it doesnt then they blame me.
I tried to get the children for counselling at a drop it but its their choice and they dont want to go.
Doesnt anyone have a reset button?

OP posts:
Lorw · 05/09/2021 00:22

Surely your eldest is old enough to choose to go live with his dad if he likes? Tbf it actually may help the relationship between him and his brother, you’ve got hormones and such and they seem like different characters, I get on better with my siblings now I don’t live with them. Teenage years are hard so big hugs to you OP. I am sure you will work things out Flowers

PurpleSneakers · 05/09/2021 03:55

Ugh. Fighting teens - not great for the teens, exhausting for the parent!

I personally won’t get your friend intervening in your DS fights, as it is taking away from your role as the person in charge.

It does sound worrying that your DS2 is scratching himself until he bleeds and clearly upset about the episode. If your boys aren’t interested in counselling, would some parenting counselling that supports you be valuable?

Also, is there something like the pocket money that your ex offers that you could give that could be used as an incentive for getting along?

Also, consequences in the form of taking away anything like the playstation, phones, Wifi etc for anything considered out of line behaviour.

Leaving feelings out of it for a moment, I would listen carefully to what your DS1 has to say about living with his dad and take this all on board.

All the best to you.

Millicentsparty · 05/09/2021 04:06

Siblings fight. I pulled my older sisters hair out. I don't think bickering and fighting is unusual sibling behaviour. Does it really require counselling? Of course, I don't see it so I don't know. Unless your DS2 has issues that you haven't mentioned, scratching himself when a decision goes against him sounds a bit manipulative. But I can understand you are concerned about him hurting himself.
It sounds like your children have identified you as the weak link and that you are the easiest to coerce. You just have to carry on treating them equally and meting out just punishment and praise. Ultimately if one wants to move, I don't see how you can stop it. But, honestly, that sounds manipulative and coercive to me as well.

kaleidoscopeheartless · 05/09/2021 04:45

Do the kids share a PlayStation and a room?

endofthelinefinally · 05/09/2021 04:53

I would let your eldest go and live with his dad for now. Not just for the occasional flounce, but 24/ 7. So dad has to do the parenting, shopping, cooking, washing, the actual hard work.
Tell ds1 that you are there for him, you love him, but the fighting is bad for everyone. A bit of space is needed.
Then ds2 can have a break from it all.
Your dc have 2 parents. It sounds as if the work load hasn't been shared.

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