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I am afraid ever to trust another man as long as I live. So how do you know if someone is going to be a good partner?

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TwinklyfLightAttendant · 02/12/2007 09:37

I know I'm not alone in having been hurt, abused, treated badly in the past. Sometimes by a man I thought (and everyone else thought) was 'the nicest man in the world'.

It shows you how false appearances can be.

I hear more and more stories of men being lovely and then turning on their wives/opartners, a year or two later perhaps.

I am terrified to trust again.

How do you know?

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Carmenere · 02/12/2007 09:44

You don't, you have to make a leap of faith and learn to trust again. However you also have to trust yourself that at the first sign of a bloke even slightly disrespecting you that you ditch him.
If you are confident in your ability to protect you and your dc's from future abuse you won't attract an abuser as they are only interested in women with low self esteem.

TwinklyfLightAttendant · 02/12/2007 09:54

Thanks Carm. That does help. Yes, I would step back at the first glimmer - but am afraid I may be imagining it iyswim. Being too cautious.
If I think about it long enough I can imagine nearly every man I know, being abusive.
Many of them probably would never be, but I am on red alert now every time.

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mistressmiggins · 02/12/2007 20:19

agree with Carmenere
u just have to trust that there are good men out there & trust them & try not to put ur ex's bad habits/behaviour onto them
its hard and even now I sometimes want to withdraw from my DP to protect myself BUT hes not my ex and he is 110% committed to me & my children & his DD & he is a good guy
so lucky to have found him quite by accident

hang in there & try to relax - they say that when ur not looking, u find someone

brightwell · 02/12/2007 21:53

I agree with what Carmenere & mistressmiggins but felt the need to add that although I've been with my chap for almost 7 years. I know he thinks the world of me etc, I don't feel I will ever be able to commit 100% emotionally. I feel I need to hold something of myself back, sadly the legacy of a bad and emotionally abusive marriage.

skyatnight · 02/12/2007 22:15

Hi TwinklyfLightAttendant.

Some thoughts:

It may seem obvious but I think it helps to choose realistic relationships to start with, i.e. where you are of a similar age, similar background, as little baggage as is realistically possible, not a long distance relationship, someone who is able to and does function in society in terms of work, social life, etc.. This is to avoid as much of the stresses and strains that can impact on a relationship and make people behave badly.

To avoid someone who doesn?t have bad habits. You may not see this straight away when he is trying to impress you but it won?t be long before the heavy drinking, or whatever, becomes apparent.

To choose someone who might not be the most exciting, sexy, charmer but who, on balance, has a lot going for them and who is kind and considerate. The chances are that the reason that the exciting, sexy charmer is still single is because he's the love 'em and leave 'em type.

Also, his friends and family are a good clue - if he doesn?t seem to have any or doesn't want you to meet them. Or if you meet them and they are a bit cold or ignore you. This isn?t necessarily because they don?t like you ? it could be because they have seen a stream of girls flow in and out of his life and they can't be bothered to show interest in and get to know another one who most likely won't last.

I also think I used to convince myself it was a misunderstanding. That if I could only express myself properly and get my point across in the right way, he would realise that I wasn't being difficult. I'm not perfect but he was deliberately misunderstanding me in order to keep me wrong-footed, control me and make me behave how he wanted me to.

Don't doubt your instincts or think you are imagining things. Yes, you don?t want to come across as insecure but, if he's caring, he will want to talk it through and reassure you.

I read an article in a newspaper about someone who had deliberately had a child on her own by sperm donor. There was a comment by a married woman, criticising her, and the gist of it was about all these silly women who waste their lives and fertility on Mr Right-Now instead of Mr Right and then end up with no-one to have a child with, too late, too old, the best men are taken. It was very smug and judgmental but she did say that, all her adult life, when she was dating, at the first sign of a red flag, she finished the relationship. I think there is something in that. Maybe it is low self esteem that makes us spend so long pursuing relationships that were flawed from pretty near the start. It's hard when you are attached to someone to let go of them. It is easier to carry on in the hope that things will get better.

Meet someone through a shared activity or sport club or whatever. Or someone from a local pub that other people know and can recommend. Get to know them slowly as a friend before you start going out with them. Then you will already know something of their character and the way they interact with other people and are less likely to get hurt by nasty surprises. As a single mother who can?t get out much due to lack of babysitters, internet dating sites seem like a good way of meeting men but I?m sure they?re also the easiest place for the real creeps to meet women because it is so anonymous.

As single mothers, we are prone to attracting losers and abusive men. I don't see any point in pretending otherwise. So, it means you have to be even more vigilant. It's better to be on your own than with someone who will make your life worse, not better.

So, I would say (with painfully acquired hindsight) there is no foolproof way, at the beginning of a relationship, of knowing someone is a good bet but you might shorten the odds of success by choosing wisely and then getting out at the first sign of trouble. And, the sooner you introduce each other to your families and friends and see how you work together as a couple in the real world, the sooner you will find out if it's for real.

jetson · 02/12/2007 22:26

I think Skyatnight is talking a lot of sense here- if you can meet some of his oldest friends you may get an idea of whether or not he's a good bloke. Is he nice enough to maintain long term relationships with friends both male and female? Do his friends seem lovely? Avoid the big boozers or drug takers as it's never really possible to change a man. Be generous to yourself and go for a really kind, generous and intelligent man.

pinguthepenguin · 02/12/2007 23:57

I bow at the altar of Sky's wisdom

skyatnight · 03/12/2007 00:31

Are you taking the proverbial 'Michael', Penguin?

FlightAttendant knows, from previous threads, that I'm all talk and no trousers. If I were that clever, my life would be different.

Anyway, at least YOU have a sense of humour. I hope you're ok. Best wishes for a good week. I'll have to do something in 'real' life, I think.....

rosalina · 03/12/2007 00:42

Twinkly, I disagree with the other MN, I think you cannot really trust any man after beeing hurt (t least so badly as I have been...). I chose to live by myself. I intend to remain a single mum and a single person when my kids will grow into adults. I don´t allow anymore men to hurt me, to abuse me, to come close to me and then make me such a heartbreake as I have been last years, Sorry...

MrsThierryHenry · 03/12/2007 00:52

Twinkly, I'm so sorry to hear that you and other women on this thread have been so badly hurt in the past.

I'm afraid I have not had such a painful past as you, but I can talk from experience of having chosen a good man (9 yrs and going strong).

My experience was that I felt I was a good judge of character for my friendships. I had very little romantic experience before meeting my husband, so didn't have much to go on in terms of how to choose a partner. I decided that I'd use the same sense by which I judged my friends in order to decide whether or not he was a good man. It worked.

You clearly need to learn to trust your instincts again, as well as learning other strategies to help you face and release the pain which is probably still clinging to your heart, you poor thing. If you haven't sought professional guidance from a counsellor I would urge you to do so as they can help you unpack things that relate not just to your troubled romances but also the whole network of experience which has led you to where you are today.

I send you my very best wishes for a fully renewed heart.

xxx

MrsThierryHenry · 03/12/2007 00:56

Oh, and if your previous partner was abusive in any way, there is a set of behaviours which you can learn to recognise, which typify abusive partners. These include:

  • very charming person (eventually the charm face only comes out in public)
  • sorry, I can't remember the others! But if this is relevant it's worth doing a google search.
rosalina · 03/12/2007 01:04

MrsThierry, I too believed I had chosen a good man. But people change (or are so disguised we don´t see them as they really are from the beginning). I was married for 14 years and then discovered my husband had two different lives and had been lying to me for several years. I thoght I was a good judge of character too...I have good friends who knew us both and were almost as shocked as I was when they saw what happened. So, if bad outcomes can happen with man who seemed to be so different as they proved to be, why take the risk again?

skyatnight · 03/12/2007 01:34

Rosalina. I respect your viewpoint and I can empathise with it too. I haven't ruled out future relationships completely but I haven't been on any dates (have been asked a couple of times) in the three years since my last relationship ended. I don't find it inconceivable that I will remain celibate for many years, if not always.

I don't think this is ideal, because we all need love and none of us want to be lonely, but my last relationship was abusive (not really bad but...) and any ideas of finding a new man come a very distant second to the stability of my single parent household and the welfare of dd. It's not just about dd, I'm protecting myself. And I suppose I am enjoying it being just the two of us.

She is only little now and, although she is missing out on a father figure, I do believe it is best at this point for us to be on our own. But I worry sometimes that it will not be best in the future for dd if I remain single, because when she is older and planning to make her own way in the world, she might feel responsible for my happiness and feel better if I had someone for myself. But that is a long way off and hypothetical.

pinguthepenguin · 03/12/2007 01:43

Not at all Sky.. and your sense of humour is not as lost as you think it is.

'A man in love is incomplete until he has married. Then he's finished'.
Zsa Zsa Gabor

TwinklyfLightAttendant · 03/12/2007 06:34

Oh my!!!

I'm really, really touched and inspired by these posts, girls. Really.

Had gone to bed and forgotten about my little thread completely, and then saw it in AC just now and read the whole thing. It's totally brilliant.

God, sometimes you lot just have me lost for words.

Skyatnight, MrsT.H. and Rosalina, Carm, Brightwell, Jetson, Pengy, I don't know what to say except that I feel different after reading all your thoughts. It's been a while since I felt hopeful but suddenly things are starting to make sense.

THANKYOU xxx

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TwinklyfLightAttendant · 03/12/2007 06:35

Copying and Pasting whole thing so I NEVER lose this advice! x

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mocca · 04/12/2007 11:35

This is such a lovely thread and so good to know there are women out there in the same situation as me - ie single after an unhealthy relationship but who would so much like to meet a decent guy one day.

I've started dating but am already feeling disillusioned as no-one has proved trustworthy yet. But have actually printed off skyatnight's post because it contains so much wisdom about trusting your instincts etc. That is what I avoided doing for so long but this time round am acting at the first red-flag and moving on. I'm finding it a bit like learning to ride - find a horse, get on, fall off, get on again etc etc. Until hopefully I feel comfortable and stay in the saddle!

Sky, if there comes a time when you want a relationship, I'm sure you'll find one. A life of celibacy is not for me so I will keep looking but like you, my young daughter and our happy single-parent household is the most important thing. Lots of love to you all. Mocca

skyatnight · 04/12/2007 21:46

Thanks Mocca. Good luck with the dating. I think you're right - it is about being brave enough to get back in the saddle, and seeing each disappointment as one step closer to finding what you're looking for.

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