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Ex P constantly badmouthing me to DS - help!

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LovelifeHa · 18/01/2021 12:14

So Ex P and I separated more than 18 months ago but continued co-habiting until Oct 2020 when he moved out. We have one DS (8) whom he has overnight twice a week and EOW. DS can also facetime whenever he likes.

The separation has been hard for DS who understood before his Dad moved out that we weren't together but understandably was still upset when his Dad moved out. The problem is that since ExP moved out, he continually badmouthes me to DS, relays details of conversations that took place between us (and should have stayed between us), constantly tells DS that they have 'to stick together', ExP has to 'manage and monitor my behaviour', uses DS as an emotional crutch and generally treats DS like his best friend and confidante rather than a parent/child relationship.

We've had 'its all her fault', ExP never wanted to move out but I made him', he wanted to see the person that would make it all better but I refused (I did, we had been on the rocks for years by this point, there was nothing to rebuild!), my attitude is appalling, etc etc.

DS is also being encouraged to spy on me - phone conversations etc and report back to ExP. ExP has also told DS that 'we will end up in court' (we won't) over an incident where he compromised DS's wellbeing (safeguarding issue) and also broke Covid 19 rules. This is all sold to DS as me trying to cause trouble or DS's actions have got ExP into trouble.

Rather than adjusting to the situation, poor DS is crumbling under the strain - every time he returns from ExP's he is either upset and tearful or hostile and truculent. And every time he starts to adjust and become happier about things ExP knocks him back to square one.

When I've called him out on these things, he completely denies it, pretends DS is making it up (he has form for lying and gaslighting) and tells DS the details of all conversations about said subject but in a 'mummy is trying to get daddy into trouble again' kind of way.

I'm at my wits end. It's awful seeing DS hurt so much and much as ExP claims that DS 'is the only thing he cares about' this clearly isn't borne out by his actions as the instant DS looks happy, ExP appears grumped by this and ups the emotional abuse (telling DS that the seperation has totally destroyed him etc) to return him to a state of hurt and misery. DS's attitude towards me is deteriorating into truculence, refusing to do as he's told, rudeness and often treats me with contempt as this is all my fault - he was happy, his dad was happy and they are the only ones who are miserable and unhappy with this situation, not me.

I was fully prepared for ExP to pull some stunt like this when he moved out but I'm gobsmacked that he can use our child in this manner to this extent and I feel completely powerless to address it. Any attempt by me to ask him to change his behaviour will just result in him denying it, telling DS off for telling me and then asking DS not to tell me anything else otherwise he will get into trouble.

He's never been very good at taking responsibility for his own actions or maintaining boundaries between him and DS and has constantly overshared or told him things that are completely inappropriate for DS to know - especially at 8yrs old!

Anyone any advice on how to manage this other than crying into a glass of wine which is what I feel like doing most evenings...

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Hazelnutlatteplease · 18/01/2021 12:34

Whenever gaslighting exists to have to teach the child how to Separate what fact and opinion and how to dissent. you need to be very careful/clear about fact and fiction yourself.

If something you hear/DS says is a provable fact correct it, offer proof.

If is is opinion, point that out. "That you/your dads opinion on the matter. I dont necessarily agree/see things very differently, I can explain if you want". Dont argue, only explain if requested by the child. Generally if you are expressing an opinion: "I think this,.... I appreciate not everyone will agree".

Also "under my roof I am responsible for you, I appreciate other people might do/think things differently, but while you're with me we will do it this way."

You need to be beyond consistent.

Eventually the child will start ringing the differences. You need lots of "What do you think?" "Does that fit with your experience" "there are different opinions on that...."

There is no point challenging ex. Either he knows what hes doing and is doing it on purpose or it's his opinion hes sharing and hes not going to change it.

Hazelnutlatteplease · 18/01/2021 12:34

Sorry for the early typos

Santaiscovidfree · 18/01/2021 12:36

Parental alienation is a crime. Gather evidence and speak to a solicitor..

LovelifeHa · 18/01/2021 12:39

Thanks @Hazelnutlatteplease that's really useful advice. Re the last point - he will be fully aware of what he's doing but also 'rose tints' things to justify and validate his behaviour.

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Theunamedcat · 18/01/2021 12:49

Don't talk to your son about anything that his dad shouldn't know about its hard having a spy in the house but don't give him ammunition

I used to tell my son he is a child and daddy shouldn't be dragging him into the mess its adult stuff nothing for him to worry about as he got older its progressed to hadn't he got anything else to talk about cant you just change the subject etc etc but ds dad scored an own goal really telling ds he was not allowed to speak about what went on at his home but demanding to know what happened at mine my son went apocalyptic at him in the end punched a wall and everything told him to pack it in or he will not see him again followed up with not seeing him for a few weeks in a tit for tat war which dad started saying ds needed a break so he would leave it for a week then he said tell ds I will see him this week ds said no for another week and a half just to flex his muscles back at his dad its a reluctant truce right now

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