Do you consider your ex's household as a bubble, for isolation purposes?

[JulyBreeze]

Have just realised, there has been no guidance on this. For infection control purposes, presumably separated parents should both isolate if one of them has symptoms or is awaiting test results or tests positive.

But this could create bubbles of several / many households, in the case of blended families being involved. Especially if any single parents in the "chain" have bubbled for social support with another family as well.

It could also lead to conflict if one parent's new partner works in a high risk job / is more cautious or whatever - the ex may not be happy about themselves having to isolate, and perhaps lose pay, "because of him!".

It's a case by case. You or someone you're involved with obviously had a specific issue. I am classed as very high risk due to to role, ex isn't. Custody has not been affected because he's not being a dick about my job. Things are hard enough without separated parents using high risk roles to get one up on ex partners

No I haven't had a specific bad experience, am just thinking things through.

Considering household transmission is proving to be a major factor, and given that at the start of lockdown the government specifically clarified that children could still move between parents' houses, I'm surprised nothing has been said.

Single parents are allowed a bubble for support, whilst children can move between parents households. I would assume that means you don't count the other parents household as a bubble. However, you probably should?

I don't know what the current guidelines are with nursery's and schools when they reopen, if you show symptoms does every other child's household in your childs class have to isolate too? This is one of the worries people have about schools and nursery's because it's just not going to happen.

No if children have to isolate because of a case at school their households don't have to, unless someone starts showing symptoms.

Hello

There has been gov guidance issued but it’s not been covered by the media so this is covered by the coronavirus act, (a statute of variation of you have a cao) and there is the separated parents “guideline” and a guideline for shared households..

So basically moreover it comes down to this. Children of separated parents belong by default to two bubbles.

If the dad shares his home with non related people he can not bubble and the household is a group for isolation purposes, if his child visits the household the household is by default in a bubble with the child/children.

If the dad does not share, he can bubble and his home and bubble are a self isolation group.

There are many factors to each circumstance but that’s the core argument

Could you point me in the direction of that guidance @Light11 please?

I found this advice forms solicitor's firm, which implies that if one household contains a sick person the child would not move between the houses until the isolation period ends:

www.teeslaw.com/insights/coronavirus-child-arrangements-order/

Hi here are some of the links it’s a lot to go through and some of the detail is in there.

I have to do a lot of research as I had surgery and had to self isolate and trying to explain risk to my narcissistic ex needed proper referencing..

www.judiciary.uk/announcements/coronavirus-crisis-guidance-on-compliance-with-family-court-child-arrangement-orders/

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www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-and-renting-guidance-for-landlords-tenants-and-local-authorities

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www.gov.uk/guidance/meeting-people-from-outside-your-household-from-4-july

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www.gov.uk/government/publications/staying-safe-outside-your-home/staying-safe-outside-your-home

Last one I forgot:

This link has a pdf top of the page:

commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8901/

Wow thanks @Light11, particularly for the last document which I wasn't aware of!

However I still can't see anywhere in these documents that answers my original question properly?

The docs won’t give a scenario specific answer but the answer to your questions is yes.

So in the scenario in your question dad’s household is a bubble for your child, but you yourself are not in dads household/bubble however as but as your child comes back to you, in theory you are exposed, and if dads household have symptoms you may have to isolate for x amount of time depending if you and your child have symptoms.

However if this makes you feel any better transmission from children to grown ups is noted to be low. (This does not mean you should take risks however)

Have just found this on Gingerbread's advice page, which is interesting:

You should not move children between your home and the other parent’s home if someone living at either home has coronavirus symptomss^. We also don’t recommend moving children between homes if anyone living at either home is in the higher riskk^ group (sometimes called ‘shielded’), as this might put them at risk.

I don't know who "we" are: Gingerbread? (They're a single parents organisation.)

Yes that’s Gingerbread, a lot of people will find the guidance very confusing and daunting so organisations like this have to cut the sauce and put it in plain English.

Mind you shielding has now ended I think. It’s not easy to put down a longer term arrangement were everyone is happy, whichever way you look at it someone has to compromise one way or another if one of the households is higher risk (this is actually my situation) and the other household is vulnerable.

It looks like I’m going to go down the specific order issue, I can’t have my little one going into a HMO at the moment, it’s unnecessary level of risk.

If you want to pm you can I have done lots of reading around this x