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Advice on access needed.........long sorry!

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poormummy · 25/08/2004 13:13

My ex and I split when dd was 10 months old, we were never married although he is named on the birth certificate.
He moved out of the country after we split, but we came to an agreement that he would visit every 3rd weekend. It became apparent very quickly that this wasn't working as he was never able to make it.
I sat down with him, explained that we needed a reliable agreement, so dd and I were never in doubt about when he would visit. I asked him how often would be reasonable and manageable for him, he said that every 4th weekend would be fine for him, so this is what we agreed on.
dd is now three and a half and I can think of only a few visits that have been on time.
The visits are so erratic, sometimes he will come after only 2 weeks, sometimes 6 or 7 weeks.
DD is getting old enough for this to affect her now, when she hasn't seen him for a while she asks for him, and worries when an extended period of time has passed.
I have tried explaining to him that it does affect her, and that even the four weeks are probably a lifetime in her eyes!
He says I am exaggerating, and she's too young for a few weeks here and there to make a difference.
This has caused many disputes between us, always resulting in him coming around, promising he will stick to the agreement in future. He never does.
Everything came to a head a few weeks ago, when ex asked me to bring dd to visit him instead, it really wasn't do-able for me, although it is something that we have done in the past.
When I told him I wouldn't or rather couldn't, he got very angry and told me that if I didn't he wouldn't see dd any more.
I got very very annoyed about this as you can imagine! I was livid that he was using our dd as a tool to get his own way.
I told him that if he thought so little of her then so be it. As expected a few days later he got in contact, told me he has changed his mind.
After all that has happened, I now feel that dd and I need some security that he won't mess us around any more, and also that he won't try to use dd in the way he did again.
I told him that I wasn't going to let him see dd unless we had a written agreement about contact arangements, as verbal ones obviously dont work. I also said that if we couldn't come to an agreement, or he broke any agreement then we will have to go to court for one, as I feel we need something in place.
We agreed that we could do it between ourselves instead of going through the stress and hassle brought by solicitors and courts.
So I drew up a very basic agreement, just outlining when he was to visit etc.
I sent it to him for him to look over, asked him to let me know if there was anything he wanted to change, add etc.
He sent me an email saying that he has a solicitor and is sorting it himself.
He won't talk to me now, wont take calls, and hasn't answered an email I sent, asking him what is happening.
I'm really worried now, I don't know what he's trying to do.
I'm also starting to doubt myself, was I really unreasonable asking him to sign the agreement, am I even allowed to do that! Am I going to be seen as really unreasonable and difficult if this goes through the legal process, which it looks like it is doing?
I'm up the wall, and confused. and could really do with some advice.
I really want ex and dd to have a good relationship I though by doing this I was ensuring it would happen and stop all the arguments and heartache.
I just don't know what to think any more!

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Mosschops30 · 25/08/2004 13:22

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Bunglie · 25/08/2004 13:27

Have you heard of Access/contact centres, they are there for this very reason?

aloha · 25/08/2004 13:36

Mosschops, the agreement won't really help you. You can't legally or otherwise force anyone to visit their children at specified times. Even if he signed it you couldn't possibly enforce it. It must be very hard to keep contact going when he lives abroad and I think you have done amazingly well to facilitate a relationship between your daughter and her father. I suspect when he said he wouldn't see her again he never meant it but just lost it out of frustration, so I wouldn't take that too seriously. I also sympathise with your desire to make his visits more regular and predictable for your daughter's sake.
As for worry, well I suppose you are worrying that he will want your daughter to live with him. Don't worry, that won't happen. No court would allow a small girl to be separated from her mother to go to live in a strange country. Put it out of your mind. He can't hurt you like that and you don't even have any evidence he is thinking of it.
As for not letting him see his daughter until he signs your agreement, I have to say that in my opinion that is a mistake and in a way, though I know you only mean the very best for your daughter, is also 'using' contact with her as a bargaining tool. She clearly wants to see her father, unreliable as he is, and so preventing that will only hurt her. There isn't an easy answer as he lives so far away and his refusal to answer your calls (which may be due to panic and fear that you really are going to prevent his seeing his daughter) isn't helping at all. Why not write/email him to say that you don't intend to prevent him seeing his daughter, and in fact, your only intention was to try to persuade him to see her MORE often and more regularly. In the meantime, between visits, could he call her on the phone and maybe send postcards too so she won't worry about him and still feel connnected? Would he be amenable to that? Good luck and I hope you start communicating again soon, it sounds like a tough time for you.

Bunglie · 25/08/2004 13:39

Ahhhh sorrry
Missed the bit that he is abroad.....

Good advice though Aloha

Mosschops30 · 25/08/2004 13:41

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aloha · 25/08/2004 14:11

Oops, going ga-ga with builders in the house! And builders who don't speak English and have just taken a ceiling down. Aaargh... :)

Mosschops30 · 25/08/2004 14:13

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poormummy · 25/08/2004 17:38

Thanks for the replies, I hadn't thought about that Aloha, I suppose I am doing no better than he did
I have emailed him, and told him that I don't intend to stop him seeing dd and I only want something in place for peace of mind for all of us.
He has replied, but only to say "I told you I have a solicitor and I will sort it"
I don't know what to think or do, I don't supppose there is anything I can do really.
He was supposed to come and see dd weekend just gone so she'll be asking for him soon. I have no idea what I'll tell her, don't want to say he'll be over soon as I normally do because I don't know if he will be!!

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tammybear · 25/08/2004 17:51

just noticed this thread. Im going through a similar situation with exp too. He tries to make things awkward for me, and doesnt really think about what is in the best interest of dd. He doesnt have parental responsibility which I presume your exp doesnt have, so the ball's in my court. I have never stopped exp from seeing dd, yet he thinks Im making things difficult for him.

My exp always says things to try and restore some sort of power to him, like saying he doesnt want anything to do with me and dd etc, and then expects me to go running after him. I dont, so then he usually come crawling back asking over dd.

The only thing I can think of is that your exp should explain to her why he cant come down if he's suppose to be due down. Get him to phone her up. Dont say he'll be over soon. Maybe even allow her to phone him up herself and ask, and maybe your exp would be more incline to come, as dd has asked. Just a couple of thoughts.

Hope you can sort something out, as I know how much of a headache it is xxx

aloha · 25/08/2004 18:04

I'm sorry he's being so unreasonable and unkind. Personally I wouldn't be inclined to say he'll be over soon, if he might not be. I think phone contact can make a big difference. If not seeing him upsets your dd, then maybe you could suggest he calls her or she calls him (though obviously not if he is refusing to answer calls). A solicitor won't be able to do much for him, so I cannot think what he hopes to achieve with one. He won't get residence in a million years, and as you want more contact, not less, then I think paying solicitors is plain crazy. I just hope he does realise at some point that the only person he is making suffer is his daughter, and changes his attitude. .

MeanBean · 25/08/2004 22:11

Poormummy don't worry. So he's got a solicitor. Big deal. You are trying to arrange regular, reliable, consistent contact, which is what your DD needs. He is trying to pull a power trip. Any court with intelligence will see the difference. Have you thought of phoning the One Parent Family helpline? Number is: 0800 018 5026. They might be able to put your mind at rest.

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