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DD deliberately unpleasant / unkind / hurtful. Why, and how best to handle it?

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JacobeanWilson · 12/09/2018 10:35

My eldest DD just turned 10. She was near daily during the summer holidays confessing to 'crimes' and lies she told me over the previous year at school. Stuff like... taking toys in she'd asked but I'd said no, so she took them anyway... stealing rubbers and pens from school... regularly talking people into doing things she wanted them to do, that they didn't want to... lying to me about how ill she felt at times school rang over bumped head, which she'd bumped on the fence deliberately, so I'd take her home... telling her friends that her younger sister, who is nothing but kind to her, is stupid & an idiot... that sort of thing.

I dealt with it matter of fact... as she realised it was wrong, I guessed it must've been a phase & we left it in the past with the understanding I would be doing spot checks on her bag / pockets sometimes & she was to utterly correct her actions to her younger DS by being ultra nice & welcoming starting this school year as my younger DD moved up to juniors with her.

Well school has been back a week and every eve there's another chat about something she's said or done that day that wasn't nice / unkind / was bossy. I was beginning to feel like this was the new norm until last night when...

...She told me she was playing with her DSis and said / did several unkind things to her infront of her older friends. Like making her wait last to join in with the game until playtime as over so she'd basically been left out, telling her to shut up infront of others, calling her an idiot infront of others. My heart broke for my younger DD. So we were talking about how that's not a nice way to treat anyone & how she wouldn't want anyone to treat her that way etc.

When she said 'I said something bad about you today mum'.

She told me she was talking with a friend, when she said how pretty the friends mum is. Friend said to my DD, your mum is pretty too. My DD tells me she said 'no she's not, and don't say that again, can you believe she's the same age as your mum but looks older too'.

Then silence while she looks at me. No apology though she clearly knows it was a hurtful thing to say about me. For background, eldest DD is obsessed with looks at present to the point little else is of value and I am no oil painting having had to have plastic surgery to part of my face several years previously following an accident, the surgery healing with scar tissue that has left me with a face of character than beauty.

I am sensitive about my looks but regardless this seems an unecessarily cruel thing to have a) said in the first place & b) told me about. This was retold to me as I was putting her to bed if relevant. I was so hurt I v quickly gave her a g'night kiss & left. Then cried silently downstairs.

I have absolutely no support. So I have to deal with this, but I'm hurting that she did something she knew would without doubt upset me.

In an ideal world the other parent would step in & explain how this behaviour is making people feel. But I'm so directly emotionally involved in her acid tongue attack I struggled this morning to be 'normal'. She's attacked my Achilles heal, I'm not proud of my weakness.

How would you handle this? There's a bigger pattern of regularly making choices she knows are wrong & thoughtlessness to friends / family that needs addressing, and my talking / forgive-forget strategy doesn't seem to be working. She had therapy last yr but it was strictly her & therapist, she told the therapist everything was fine & got discharged after the initial sessions. I have mentioned going back but she angrily warned me off it. Tbh I didn't rate it much for her issues anyway so I'm probably looking for alternative directions.

Asking in L.P. because I think the dynamics are v different to a family with lots of adult support, both for the child and the parent. I am my child's ONLY adult which must be hard for her too.

Any constructive help / advice appreciated.

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HollowTalk · 12/09/2018 10:44

You poor thing. It can be so hard bringing up children on your own.

Does she normally lack empathy? It's such a cruel thing that she said to you - surely she must have known it would hurt you. Has she apologised for anything she's said in the past?

newnamechange1234 · 12/09/2018 10:51

I could be wrong, but it seems like she is doing it for attention from you. She knows she will get to have a sit down chat with you each night if she has ‘something’ to tell you. For some children even negative attention is still attention.

Have you tried telling her you would love her to be telling you some happy stories instead each night?
So each morning, ask her “what Happy thing will you do today, I can’t wait to hear all about it this afternoon?” So she knows you will still want to talk to her, it doesn’t just have to be after something unkind has happened. Straight away when you see her, ask her about the thing she did. Then maybe reward her somehow when it’s a happy story she tells you.

And hopefully over time the unkind things will stop and the kinder things will become more common.

When did these behaviours start? Did anything happen round about that time?

JacobeanWilson · 12/09/2018 11:02

Hollow I find myself lately often pointing out that she expects the world to bend over backwards to please her, but isn't willing in 99% cases to put herself out for others.

For example, she has a weekly hobby that me & younger DD completely support her pursuing (taking her, sitting outside due to her medical needs I can't leave her completely yet, essentially a whole evening revolves around it weekly) but recently younger DD had a party invite which meant older DD had to accompany for 2 hrs. She complained all the lead up to it how unfair it was & took nothing to entertain herself there, despite being advised, then had a face on the entire time & was rude to me infront of other mums. Apologised after we were home & I pointed out her behaviour, but younger DD has another party approaching & the same dialogue has already begun. Like I say, willing to put others out for her hobby (we don't mind at all, her hobby is really good for her) but not willing to give anything back.

She will often apologise for things she's done but I never really feel she means it. I feel it's just a means to an end to shut me up. Another phrase I realise a say a lot is actions speak louder than words. The repetition of behaviour makes me feel like I'm getting nowhere & need a new approach.

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Lonecatwithkitten · 12/09/2018 11:25

My DD had some of this attitude at a similar age.
Thoughtlessness for other such as sisters party got flipped around ' okay if we are all into not doing something for someone else we stop you activity'. In our case it was that DD was only prepared to clear her table and I said that was fine if we were all going to look after ourselves that would make my life easier as I would only have to cook, clean, wash and iron for myself.
Saying unkind things about you tell her she hurt your feelings and that you are disappointed in her. At one point due to stealing I told my DD I was embarrassed by her behaviour and that I couldn't allow her to visit other people's houses if this was going to happen.

JacobeanWilson · 12/09/2018 12:16

newname she's mentioned before she feels like she never gets any alone time with me. It's always the 3 of us. Always. So it's possible it's a factor. Yet hours over summer & at least half hr on school eves there would be windows for chat when I'm downstairs & she always slopes off upstairs to read or play with her DSis. I've repeatedly said it would be nice to see her downstairs to chat or help with an activity (hers or mine) but nothing changes.

It's like she's not happy with xyz but I'm expected to fix it with no input from her. She wants things to change but she's not prepared change. So we are stuck in a rut.

There must be another way forward.

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Thomlin · 12/09/2018 12:52

You sound like you have the patience of a saint! I'm a SP too and mines is a bit younger (8) but I have to say if mines deliberately went out of her way to be nasty to me I don't think I could have kissed her goodnight and hidden how upset I was. Do you think she knows how much she has hurt you? I remember being that age myself and seeing my mum (also a SP) as the strongest woman in the world. Do you think she would care if she saw you downstairs crying?

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