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advice needed over contact arrangement so frustrated

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Amy7889 · 09/06/2018 18:23

short background. two children 13 and 7. had 12 1/2 year relationship. I ended it, he was very keen to recincident for 3 1/2 years. he had a relationship for 3 month during this no problems. we got on well, he would spend days at my home and have days out. he would call me daily. 8 months ago he met a new girlfriend. I asked for contact arrangements away from me. he ignoredyou contact but would ring to talk about "us." I wavered and said maybe we should talk as I was confused. since then he has come back to a relationship then left (without a word literally leaves and blocks my number and social media) too many times to count
he goes back to the new girlfriend them within two weeks will turn up and beg for a chance. there has always been a dramatic with new girlfriend, normally threats to call the police if he doesn't talk to her or will start rumours. he came back for three weeks. on my birthday, he persuaded me to accept his instagram request ..20mins later she text and said she was pregnant. he convinced me she was lying, she had cheated so wouldn't be his and she was due a termination on the Tuesday. Monday came and he ignored the phone... I is ed a friend and he answered said he was angry with me (?) and would call later and didn't. that was two weeks ago. he has blocked me on everything now as weds I messaged from friend phone to ask for money he owed, he gave it to my nan, and why he ignored 7 year oldso birthday. ..he ignored that. messaged asking him to call or text to work out parenting plan so it's done and I feel less pressured to let him back when he so decided. ignored me. got a WhatsApp demanding overnight 5/6 at his mums. I called his mum to see if he had asked her and her came in, briefly he asked if I had his console, and mumbled I was getting married next weekend (?!) I asked if he was having the baby he said he knows nothing about it, then shouTed I humiliated him for three years and the kids hate him because of me to hang up. that's all the communication we've had. I'm sad he cannot bear to speak to me since I don't know what I'm meant to have done. 13 year old is hard work and not keen on her dad coming and going. I'm frustrated as the only.ones suffering are 7yo and hI'm. I feel controlled that he may or may not randomly.contact to see everyone her and it throws my dad. I'm already dealing with him leaving again with no explanation and now he won't make us final with proper arrangements for kids so we can move on. I feel he leaves the door open and by agreeing to proper times he knows that's it. what should I do? I'm so upset that I feel he is denying such a simple request that all people do when they separate I don't want maintenence just for my daughter to see her dad when he says he wants that too. it's been 8 months, stupidly I've let him back too many times I NEED this done so if he calls or tunes up I can say no we agreed on x date and he wont have an excuse to contact me. really could do with help thanks

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NorthernSpirit · 09/06/2018 18:57

Totally confused by your post TBH.

Firstly maintenance and contact are completely separate.

He should be paying maintenance - if he isn’t go through the CMS.

Contact. Children have a right to contact with both parents. Try to work up a schedule that works for you (that’s in the children’s best interests). If he’s messing around get a formal contact order.

Amy7889 · 09/06/2018 19:32

sorry probably wasn't very clear. I've had enough of the coming and going so want a proper contact agreement in place. I originally asked in November but he refuses to reply or talk about when, times etc too vague just he wants to see his kids. he has come and gone around 11 times (yes I shouldn't have fallen for it) but each time he's left he will block me to let me know he's gone so nothing has ever been out in place so the kids can see their dad independently. I feel obligated to wait until he next reappears but again at that point he is interested in starting a relationship with me never willing to discuss the kids as separate from me. I feel controlled that I will be blocked or ignored when asking him to agree to times, dates, frequency, drop off and pick up and whether telephane contact as well is wanted. then have to wait while.kids are essentially forgotten until he turns up usually after an argument with new girlfriend. just wondered if there is anything I could do to stop myself feeling controlled by when he chooses to contact me, I spend time pulling myself together then am unravelled when I get a knock or call out of the blue. just feel very much at his beck and call and it's not fair to be so dismissivexcited when I am simply asking him to have a 5 minute discussion so 7yo can feel supported by two parents.
I am not interested in maintence, he is not working currently so will be such a small amount

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SlightlyMisplacedSingleDad · 10/06/2018 12:21

Hi @Ammy7889. It's very hard to follow your posts, which may be why you haven't had many replies. I'm not sure I've completely understood you, but I will have a go based on what I think you are saying.

As far as I can work out, you are saying that your ex has been a very inconsistent presence in your children's lives, nd eaxh time he comes back into their lives, he is more interested in re-kindling things with you than in actually being a dad. You are now trying to formalised the contact arrangements, and he is not co-operating. Because of his continual coming and going, and the on-again off-again relationship with you, you feel very controlled.

If I've got that right, the first thing to say is that you are not being controlled. He is responsible for his (frankly, terrible) behaviour. But every time you go along with it, and decide to start dating / sleeping with / whatever with this man, that is a decision that you are making. He isn't making it for you. The way you describe all of this is very passive - as if you just go along with whatever he wants at that moment, and are at his beck and call. The first thing that you need to understand is that this is YOUR decision. You are not being controlled. You are choosing. And you need to own that choice.

The good news is that the minute you do this, you take the power back. Because if you are choosing to go along with it every time he flutters his eyelashes or flexes his muscles at you, then you can also choose not to. You can choose to put boundaries in place. You can choose to refuse to talk about "us", and be clear that there is no "us". There is only your role as shared parents. Bluntly, unless and until you do this, your situation is not going to improve. Doing so is within your control. You just have to decide to emotionally disconnect, to mean it, and to stick with it.

This then becomes a practical question of sorting out access arrangements. I strongly think you should apply for maintenance - both as a point of principle (this man should be paying for his kids), but also because it will help you to make the shift in your own mind between a 'romantic' relationship (not that it's very romantic!) and a co-parenting relationship. And it will signal to him that youre serious about that too.

Then make him a structured offer on access arrangements. Put it in writing. Set out which days and times you are offering access. Be clear in the offer that this is to take place away from your home. Invite him to accept, or to make a counter-offer. This needs to be really clear. You may need help putting it together - consider speaking to a solicitor, to citizens advice, or a charity such as Gingerbread for help. If he engages, then you are into a negotiation to agree the access arrangements - you may need formal mediation to help with this. Once they are agreed, stick to them. It's about boundaries - you don't have any at the moment, so you need to establish them.

If he doesn't engage with your offer, maintain your boundaries anyway. The only thing that you will discuss with him is the practical arrangements for co-parentong the children. Absolutely nothing else! If he wont negotiate, make a court application for a child arrangements order. That will stop him demanding access whenever he feels like it - you will make the children available for access as ordered. If he takes it up, great. If he doesn't, then he has had his opportunity..

Basically, it's all about recognising that you are in control of your own life. Stop being passive, nd take positive steps to resolve this. Establish and maintain boundaries. Before you know it, you'll be in a much better place. Finally, if you'll forgive the cheek, I'd suggest that you may want to consider some sort of counselling / therapy for yourself. You have spent a long time accepting the unacceptable. That suggests low self esteem - you may want to do the work on yourself so that you consistently feel able to set and maintain healthy boundaries, and are able tot recognise that your life is your own to manage. Nobody else can or will do that for you. Good luck.

Starlight345 · 10/06/2018 17:41

I agree completely with everything @singledad has said .

Giving access to the kids is not about he asks you say yes it is about consistency for the children and what is happening now is damaging

Amy7889 · 10/06/2018 20:12

thank you for your response.
you are absolutely right that I haven't been very strong in maintaining boundaries. I have been trying hard since November to seek help in arranging a formal arrangement. I contacted gingerbread, and family lives they suggested a parenting plan. I reused to discuss anything that wasn't the kids, to have him turn up at my home when kids answer the door, he will them have a sob story and ask for help. I know this is a weakness of mine and it's not my place to feel like I should help. I contacted mediation and she said that because he is "confused" it may make him feel pressured so to wait until he contacts them?!! after Xmas still blocks me unless he is chasing "us" so contacted a solicitor who advised it's better to wait until he's ready and explain. I did so and he claimed to understand. still wouldn't discuss he kids so he disappeared and blocked me again. I went to citizens and device. ...she suggested I move if i could as so complicated!! I know I haven't helped the situation but stupidly after pouring my heart out and explaining that it is affecting not inky the kids but me so ifar we aren't together he could be a dad and no silly childishness needs to takes place. he can have a seperate life and be a dad too. I think he is struggling to seperate me from the kids and uses not having anything in place so he can reappear full of sorries and have a toe in the door. just would like it to be mature and adult I have had enough I did a while back and while nothing in place it makes the lines blurred, the only ones suffering are him and my daughter is get to have error everyday. perhaps I'll chase maintenence in the morning as you are right that will make it clear that I am serious we are only parents

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Starlight345 · 10/06/2018 21:13

Is it your house?

It sounds like you are also doing a lot of chasing. I would suggest next time he contacts you to say your attempts to sort out contact have failed . If he wants to see them contact mediation to sort a regular arrangement that will benefit the children .

I would also at mediation inform him how damaging this on / off contact is with the children .

I would also not him over the doorstep. You both need those boundaries

Amy7889 · 25/06/2018 07:40

thank you for your responses. two weeks ago I received several random texts and one asking me to call. I ignored these. he then turned up at the house at 8 20pm "because I didn't call." I asked him to leave, he did so after 10 minutes. he had unblocked my number so after he text later that night I responded with a fixed time and place (his mum's) for contact in Sunday (fathers day) he responded that was OK. I also checked that he had confirmed with his mum which he responded it's fine. he did text inappropriate things which I didn't acknowledge as advised. we arrived at the correct time, his mum didn't answer the door and we knocked for 15 minutes. 13yo called and asked where he was and he made three different excuses before hanging up. a few hours later I text to ask what had happened as was surprised to not receive an apology or anything asking to rearrangre to discover I had been blocked again...am confused as he called thours day on the landline from another phone where I had also confirmed the Sunday. his mum later said she was in but "had forgot and was in the garden" but sad no one has considered how confused 7yo was arriving to then leave especially as she was so upset on her birthday a few weeks before. Ito not appropriate for him to turn up uninvited especially as I saw his car and ignored the door, so he let himself into the back garden. I tried hard to not be sucked into games, and didn't respond to anything at wasn't the kids. this situation won't get better will it? it's again a case of when he feels like it he will pop up without any consideration of whether it's appropriate or not

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