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"you are challenging my authority"

52 replies

oddity2001 · 04/11/2014 18:43

These are the words of a sheriff.

We had a child welfare hearing today to try and gain increased contact with my children. I can see my eldest son twice a week unsupervised and my youngest one a week SUPERVISED. All of this due to bullshit created by my "wife" who attacked me, i reacted and got done for "domestic assault".

I was arrested and charged for this. However this was thrown out of court.

Now we had a new sheriff appointed in early September she point blank refused to accept a bar reporters report stating that is in the best interest of my children to have increased contact with me due to the domestic violence allegation. We were to request a report from the contact centre regarding my youngest.

We managed to get this done in record time. We saw the same sheriff today who point blank stated she had made her decision in September and why were we challenger her authority.

The decision had NOTHING to do with the best interests of the children instead it had to do with satisfying the ego of this bitch.

So much for justice in this country. I have seen my youngest child 19 times since he was born. At out last contact he had a blank look on his face like i was a stranger. This is soul destroying but the sheriff cannot lose face.

Has anyone else experienced egotistical sheriffs before?

OP posts:
BitchPeas · 04/11/2014 19:59

So first you pointed your finger at her and she grabbed your hand.

Now she twisted it.

Still don't see why grabbing her hair was defending yourself

oddity2001 · 04/11/2014 20:00

"Basgetti"
In Scotland you are guaranteed to be arrested for three things

  1. Knife crime
  2. Race crime
  3. Domestic assault

Regarding legitimate welfare concerns. We had reports compiled by social services stating clearly that i am not nor have been a threat to my children. I have a Bar report from an independent psychologist stating the same. I have further reports from the contact centre indicating no concerns whatsoever.

The sheriff stated point blank that she will disregard the reports since an accusation of domestic violence has been made despite no conviction.

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NickiFury · 04/11/2014 20:00

I've been in that situation, with a violent husband thank you. He used to do this thing where he shoved me around with his body weight because if he wasn't using his hands then it wasn't violence, right? It's called minimising it and that's what you're doing.

You have called the sherif a name that is extremely derogatory to women only, combined with your hair grabbing of your wife you come across as an entitled man who is affronted by women who stand up to you and don't let you have your own way, just because you say so.

HeadDoctor · 04/11/2014 20:02

Contact centres are recommended far more than they should be as courts tend to err on the side of caution for all sorts of silly reasons. That said, it feels like you're shirking responsibility here. You grabbed your ex. Self defence sounds a little far fetched. Either way, accepting responsibility and dealing with the consequences will resolve things much faster than ranting and calling someone a "bitch".

EhricLovesTheBhrothers · 04/11/2014 20:03

Why do you think mumsnet is the place to find support? You won't find many posters who can empathise with you here...

saintsandpoets · 04/11/2014 20:05

Since i am no longer fit to be a father and husband because i raised my hand at a women.

Very reasonable conclusion as far as I'm aware. Violent people shouldn't look after children. Ever.

oddity2001 · 04/11/2014 20:07

Nicky fury - i am sorry to hear of your situation. But i have never shoved my wife around. I reacted to being attacked by her.

I am not an entitled man. I am asking for the sheriff to follow the evidence that has been put before her.

But i appears the general consensus is it as acceptable to attack a man. Yet if a man was to react he is a "violent arsehole" he and should have just done nothing.

Everyone is free to do as they please. The thread has drifted from asking if anyone has encountered sheriffs with power and ego issues to it being acceptable to throw stuff at your partner and grabbing them violently - providing they are male.

OP posts:
NickiFury · 04/11/2014 20:11

"He should have just done nothing"

In the situation you describe, yes that's exactly what you should have done. Then the sheriff would hopefully have followed THAT evidence.

MonanaGellar · 04/11/2014 20:11

A man would react by turning and walking away. A violent arsehole would react by also getting physical.

Remind us which you did?

LineRunner · 04/11/2014 20:13

No, I haven't encountered a sheriff or equivalent doing that. Still wondering about the phone argument.

MonanaGellar · 04/11/2014 20:13

Oh, and your supervised contact wasn't because of age. Post history suggests its because you didn't even know he was born.

basgetti · 04/11/2014 20:13

I thought you were also arrested for rape and attempted murder? You can surely see why the sheriff is erring on the side of caution.

SDTGisASpookyWoooolefGenius · 04/11/2014 20:47

A few points. Firstly, either she is your wife, or she is your partner. Putting the word wife in inverted commas makes it - and you - sound very sarcastic and condescending, as if you are trying to minimise her status. If that attitude towards her is coming across when you are in front of the Sheriff, then I am not surprised that she is taking that as confirmation of the domestic violence allegation.

Putting the words domestic assault in inverted commas also sounds like trying to minimise what it was. The bottom line is that, if you hurt your wife, you did commit a domestic assault. You need to admit this and take responsibility for what you did. That is what a grown-up does. Saying 'but she started it, she hit me first' is what children in the playground do - and we don't accept that sort of justification for violence from our children - why should we accept it from our husbands/partners/wives?

Secondly, as others have said, I think you need to accept that you DID have a choice, in that situation - you could have walked away, you didn't have to respond to her. You were in no major danger at the time - she wasn't brandishing a knife or any sort if blunt object or weapon - it doesn't sound as if you were in any imminent danger of harm.

That said, I do think that throwing an object at a person is also a violent act, so I do think your wife also needs to take responsibility for her actions too - and both of you need to realise that if either one or both parents don't learn to control their temper, sooner or later the children will pick up on that, and will learn that behaviour too.

You are coming over very badly indeed on here - using sexist terms of abuse, minimising your behaviour, responding quite angrily to what people are saying - is this how you come over in real life? If so, could that be a factor in why the Sheriff has come to the decisions she has.

What advice has your solicitor given you? Is there a date set for a review of the access arrangements? Is there anything you could do that would show that you are trying to work on your anger management issues - a course, perhaps. And maybe a parenting course too.

And I know you are thinking "Why should I have to do courses to prove things - she started it, and why should I have to try to make myself look good for that bitch of a Sheriff - I have all this proof that I am a good person and a safe father??" - and I would answer by saying, you should do whatever you can do, to improve your chances of more access to your children - because you can either say "I don't want to do X, Y or Z - why should I?" Or you can put your own ego aside, in favour of making yourself the best father you can be for your children's sake, and giving yourself the best chance of having access to them.

First step - admit that you lost your temper, and were violent. No more excuses or justifications. Do you want your children to grow up thinking it is OK for a man to behave like that? Do you want your son to get physically violent with the women in his life, when he is older? Do you want your daughter to accept that sort of treatment from a man, because she has seen her dad do that sort of thing to her mum?

itsbetterthanabox · 04/11/2014 21:33

If you say she attacked you why did you not report her to the police?
I'm confused about how you were charged if there is no evidence of you being violent towards her?

itsbetterthanabox · 04/11/2014 21:34

You aren't a lone parent

itsbetterthanabox · 04/11/2014 21:34

You song seem to be angry about not seeing your children much just that's it's supervised contact. Why is this?

Romeyroo · 04/11/2014 21:54

Sorry, if someone threw a phone at me, I would ask them what they were doing, not start pointing my finger at them. How close was your finger to her face or body that it was in arms reach of her. Are you sure she just didn't want it out of her face? And if someone twisted my arm, I would ask them to stop, not grab their hair? Were you fighting over the phone? It is an odd sequence of events.

Nonetheless, provocation is not a defence. What are you going to do if your kid is upset and throws something? Turn it into a physical fight or behave like a responsible person?

SDTGisASpookyWoooolefGenius · 05/11/2014 22:51

Is anyone surprised that the OP has vanished?

lostdad · 06/11/2014 10:16

Oddity, contact FNF Scotland. I assume that's where you are as you mention you were before a sheriff.

Contact them. They have groups in Edinburgh, Glasgow, Stirling and Aberdeen you can attend.

Regarding domestic violence I suggest you address this. Go to anger management classes if you need them (and if you don't...you have been open to the possibility). Domestic violence is most often mutual between couples but you are up against the fact that a) it is seen as a mainly male on female phenomenon and b) as your ex partner has your child she is in a position of strength.

Displays of anger, defiance or frustration although sometimes understandable will achieve nothing. You can move ahead with your situation but it is down to you. You cannot control your ex but you can control yourself.

SDTGisASpookyWoooolefGenius · 06/11/2014 10:26

Very good advice, I think, lostdad - particularly about the anger management classes, and not being able to control anyone but yourself.

number1daddy · 07/11/2014 10:02

I am new to this site so hello all. the op seems full of anger and using any names looses my support if I had any to give which I don't. I've only been on here since signing up last night and it's very interesting shall we say

rumbleinthrjungle · 08/11/2014 10:51

Contact with both parents is seen as so important by courts that it is rare for contact to be restricted unless there is a very good reason indeed, so I wonder whether this is the whole story, and whether you may need to try to look at the whole situation and history with more objective eyes.

You are not going to be able to overturn this decision because you're angry with the verdict or don't agree with it. What you can do is follow the arrangements the court have laid down, do it to the letter and focus on the quality of your time with your children and building a good relationship, and the evidence of how you go about this will be the basis of future decisions. I'm assuming you have a time set by the judge to review these arrangements?

HonestLie · 08/11/2014 11:27

It's not the entire story. There is a lot more to the story than the OP has let on.

HonestLie · 08/11/2014 11:28

It's not the entire story. There is a lot more to the story than the OP has let on.

number1daddy · 08/11/2014 11:59

there's always more to a story usually