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How do you share holidays with ex? sorry very long

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Firocoda · 16/08/2013 10:40

ExDH and I have been divorced nearly a year, separated for some time before then. We don't have a formal arrangement that sets out when he sees dcs (his choice, not mine). When we were living together he almost never spent time with dcs (hid out in his mancave day and night). When separated he made no/little effort to see them. When divorced I started getting emails about how things were going to change, that he would be taking kids for half of all their holidays, etc etc. Nothing changed. He found a girlfriend straightaway and spent all the past year with her. GF is now out of the picture and xDH is now back to the, well, now the kids are my priority etc etc. DCs are 15, 12, 7. Lots of whining and moaning about how the past year hasn't worked out with holidays and how he hasn't seen as much of the kids as he wanted to.
Anyway, sorry getting long here, don't have many (if any) IRL to talk to because we moved to the UK recently etc, the last two weeks were "his" time with the kids. I didn't schedule anything for the kids. FIL and MIL decided to come visit dh during these two weeks. Problem is that the older dcs refuse to do overnights with xDH. I can't/won't make them, especially not since xDH has made a few off-colour remarks to dds that make them uncomfortable. So I more or less made the dcs available to xDH whenever he wanted to take them out. DH didn't take them out much at all. No plans for the two weeks, everything at the last minute, whenever he took them out had MIL/FIL there too. Then yesterday the dcs got an earful about how the last two weeks have been so difficult for xDH because he couldn't take them away on holiday and because he hadn't seen them as much as he'd wanted etc and how things were going to change now that GF was no longer in the picture.
Last year the arrangement was that he would take elder dds out to dinner once a week. That was it. Younger ds does one overnight maybe once every two weeks, that started in May. Middle ds is at boarding school and xDH saw him once in May, not at all in June and once in July (ds is free every weekend afternoon).
Now xDH wants half of their half-term and half of their Christmas holiday. Etc. And I'm presumably going to have to not make any plans for those days and sit and wait if/until xDH decides to take them out. This holiday I insisted on one day's notice (so Monday evening eg if taking them out on Wednesday) and he was angry about that, so I'm a bit scared of setting boundaries. I just don't know what's normal here. What do people usually do with regard to contact? I know he should be seeing more of the dcs than he is, but he hasn't wanted to and dcs certainly haven't wanted to. Is it usual to split up half-terms or to say one gets one and the other the other? Suggestions please for making this better?? I've been trying so hard to be nice and accommodating and letting him do whatever he wants but it's not working. I can't really talk to xDH because he lies about things and revises the facts to fit his "poor me I'm the victim" mentality.

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BlackeyedSusan · 16/08/2013 11:33

oh dear, he does sound difficult.

definitely keep a log of what you have offered and what he has taken up.

seeing the children with the pils is not something that needs to be worried about really, unless he virtually ignores the dcs because of the pils, rather than having quality family time. the children's dad used to forget about the children when we saw pils

WithConfidence · 16/08/2013 13:14

Ugh, poor you. Yes do the diary and send him emails stating what days are available, so you have written evidence.

What we do is ex sees ds on his days off, any changes except emergencies to be agreed atleast a week in advance. If he doesn't turn up within half an hour of agreed time, contact is off. He's supposed to let me know his holidays in Jan as that is when he books them for the year but claims they are all messed up. He cancels a lot and so far hasn't seen him on any of his holidays or bank holidays, actually less as he goes away with his gf Hmm. His loss, I can't make him be a decent parent.

Letting him do whatever he wants is not good for anyone. You are not together, it is not your job to keep him happy.

If you are scared of him put boundaries up, he is not allowed to phone or come into your house, email only, meet in public places. If he is verbally or physically abusive calmly state you are phoning the police. If he whines on about poor him, don't listen to it, "I'm going now."

I do think the older dc's views should be taken into account especially if he does things they feel uncomfortable with. Log this too.

Remember he can say he is going to have xyz, doesn't mean it is going to happen. IMO they need to demonstrate they can reliabley turn up for current contact before any increase is sorted out.

balia · 16/08/2013 17:27

I'm not getting how he can have 'holidays' with the kids if he doesn't have them overnight?

I think you need to work out what you think is right for the DC's, as their parent. At the moment the contact seems to be worked out as a messy, uneasy compromise between what the ex wants/asks for, and what the kids say they want. I don't think that's appropriate. By all means listen to your DC's views, but these are adult arrangements.

If you have just returned to the UK, where is ex based?

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