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Stopping my children from seeing their biological father??

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surfingluby · 06/09/2012 14:56

I'm new to this but really wanted some advice please as I'm at my witts end......
I have an 11yr old and two 8yr olds who see their biological father twice a year. He lives abroad and chooses to visit only twice a year, the children and I have tried to get him to come visit more but he makes every excuse to why he can't. I've contacted his mother and his brother to try and see if they could talk to him as children need stability and consistency to which he was proving neither. When he does come home, he's over an hour late picking them up.....he's even left them stood at the gates at school and not turned up (good job I know what he's like and I hide near school so if he doesn't turn up I can quickly join my children and lie for him!!)
He brings them home late so they are extremely tired ready for the next day with him or if its cold he drops them back after only a few hours because he doesn't know what to do with them. My son suffers with asthma and is always poorly after a few days with him as he can't cope with such long days, junk food and him smoking next to him. I've asked if they can all eat healthier and drink water but he doesn't take it in, he says it won't kill them and I'm just moaning. I've tried explaining about my sons asthma and they are all constipated or the other once he leaves but he thinks I'm lying!
When he takes them out he falls asleep constantly, if they go to the cinema he sleeps through it. He took them to the beach.....told them all to go and play and let him sleep, he locked his car and wouldn't let them back in......he just told them not to go in the water!!!
He took them to his brothers where he stays and told them to play in the garden while he slept on sofa, there is a stream in the garden and a 15 foot tree house so I think they need supervising!
He tells them he pays for everything I have and everything I buy them he tells them he's paid for it. He constantly puts me down and he says the most awful things about my partner and my mother which really upsets the children. The children call my partner dad which they asked if they could, we put it off for a bout a year but when we moved in together they started calling him dad so we let it go and figured it was ok because it's what they chose. He tells the children they are not allowed to call him dad they have to call him muppet man! Yet his father isn't his biological one and he calls him dad.
The children come away from being with him so confused and upset, my eldest can't understand why he spends the whole time being like this and not asking them how they are. He brags about his job and how much money he makes but like she said she doesn't really understand and maybe he should ask about school. He takes them to places where he doesn't spend quality time with them, he just pays to get in buys them food and leaves them to it.
He does give me money for them but not a lot and it's only been consistent in the last two yrs, it's always late and because of the exchange rate it's not a set amount.
My question is do I stop him from seeing them? For yrs now I've said to him, it's all or nothing.....I've said they need times to look forward to rather them never knowing when they are going to see him again. I've said if he can really only visit twice a year then can it be set times each year. I've asked him to keep all his negative opinions to himself and just be nice and to not smoke in front of them yet he is still behaving in an unexceptable manor but this time he really has hurt them. My eldest has tried talking to him but he laughs and says its your mother poising you and brushes it off. She says theres no point arguing with him when he's not hear very often. My son says he only goes out with him cos they go to adventure playgrounds and he buys them stuff otherwise he'd stay at home with us!!
My eldest suffers from a nervous scratch which always appears when he's here and until she's settled again once he's gone. My son is always poorly and my youngest daughter starts to stutter when she's been with him which disappears days after he's gone!
I just don't know what to do, I would like it if he was a great father who saw them every other weekend but he will never live in the uk so that's not going to happen but he's just no good for my wonderful children and he doesn't deserve their love but what do I do???
I've asked for his address so I could get a solicitor to write to him to ask him to visit more and to be nice while he's here and to try and stick to times for the sake of the children but he won't give it to me.
I used to let him stay in my house especially if it was cold and wet and this way I knew they would eat properly and I thought it would be great for him to be able to bath them, read to them, cook with them etc and he used to vandalise things of mine, which I let go even though my partner said I shouldn't let him stay......I wanted to show the children that this is the correct way to behave then the last time he stayed he put bleach in my partners showgel so I had to stop him from staying. After about a year later we started letting him just come in for a few hours and look at the children's work or play the wii etc with them and my partner would sit in our seperate lounge that way they wouldn't have to see each other but he then started to abuse this by saying things to the children about photos around the house, belittling my partner and I still in the house so I had enough and said no more!
Your advice would be great please as I'm at a dead end now :-(

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RedHelenB · 06/09/2012 15:05

Two visits a year when they eat junk food & are near a smoker isn't the end of the world surely? He may not be the ideal dad but he is their dad & tbh I wouldn't bother with solicitors & leave things as they are.

RedHelenB · 06/09/2012 15:06

OH and an 11 yr old & eight year old are surely alright by a stream & in a treehouse?

avivabeaver · 06/09/2012 15:08

they are surely nearly at an age where they can see him for what he is. Twice a year? Have a laugh with them about how dreadful he is and be glad that it is only twice a year

thebestisyettocome · 06/09/2012 15:11

I would persevere on the basis it's so infrequent.

What the heck is showgel by the way Confused

TroublesomeEx · 06/09/2012 15:15

Don't stop the children from seeing him.

Don't lie for him anymore.

They will be able to see through him soon enough if they can't already.

Bossybritches22 · 06/09/2012 15:20

THe DC's are getting to an age now where they can choose to have contact with their father (certainly the older one)

If it is distressing them then get your solicitor to write to him setting the dates when they will be available or asking for two dates in advance for the next 12 months.

Ask for a time limit to be set for a reply & that if that can't be agreed then the children are not available.

Give him one last chance to behave over this next two visits, ignore his belittling to you, but put your foot down over hois behaviour with the kids from the start & tell him they won't want to see him next time if he doesn't wise up & you won't force them.

The children can decide for themselves pretty soon.

mindosa · 06/09/2012 15:22

Let them continue to see him until they decide otherwise. They may never do this and may always yearn for a relationship that will not ever exist but that needs to be their choice.
Awful for you to watch but unfortunately necessary

ClippedPhoenix · 06/09/2012 15:26

OP I feel your pain but unfortunately he is what he is and no amount of solicitor letters etc. will change that.

I'm in a very familiar situation to you. DS's dad sees him roughly twice a year and has done so for 10 years, in a way this is still consistency isn't it.

My DS's father is crap in so many ways and I took it all on myself to try to change things when he was younger. A wise person told me you can't be mum and dad you can only be mum.

DS is 14 now and knows exactly what his dad is, he learned this all by himself.

I wouldn't advise cutting all contact unless your children specifically say they'd rather never see him.

DesperatelySeekingPomBears · 06/09/2012 15:29

I think the incident that would worry me most was him locking them out of his car and refusing to let them back in.

He's not a father, he's a prize prick and YANBU OP.

Have you asked your DC what they want to do? They're 11 and 8 and the 11 yo at least is more than capable of making her own decision.

peeriePistoriuslicker · 06/09/2012 15:34

He put bleach in your partner's shower gel (I assume)?
WTAF?
He sounds unhinged.
However they are old enough to start seeing him for what he is and you don't have to try and hide things or sugar coat them. If THEY don't want to go, and say so, that's a different matter.

Socknickingpixie · 06/09/2012 15:35

its simple really, you just do nothing at all. seriously not a thing if hes like you say then he wont bother, it wont be down to you stopping him but him not bothering.

do not let him in your house again,what if one of the kids used the shower gel.

for him to force you to do anything,he would have to take you to court he would also have to demonstrate that he can make his own arangements towards contact and that he actually wanted to have the contact. why do anything at all if its unlikly that he would even bother if you didnt presure him?

you may want to ask for this to be moved to lone parents as in aibu you are going to get a fair few hand wringing responses basicly saying there his kids he can do what he pleases when they are in his care even if its dangerious/abusive/the children are unhappy as he is the dad and thats all that matters. for some reason apparently even the crappyest dads get cut some serious slack with regard to children

Paiviaso · 06/09/2012 15:42

I don't know why you would bother with all the legal faff when it is only twice a year visits, surely that would just escalate his behaviour. He is never going to be a good father or a positive influence; stop encouraging him to visit, and stop lying for him. Stop making empty threats such as, "All or nothing." He clearly doesn't care that much.

The children will see what kind of man he is, and wont want to see him anymore in a few years anyway.

missymoomoomee · 06/09/2012 15:53

Tbh I see his point about calling your partner Dad. I think their should be a compromise on the name there. Would you like them to call anyone else Mum?

As for the rest of it for the sake of a couple of times a year I would leave it. Its better for them to see him for what he is than to be banned from him and build him up as a hero in their heads.

thebestisyettocome · 06/09/2012 17:06

Ah. Shower gel. Should've thought of that.

ifherbumwereabungalow · 06/09/2012 17:16

Why shouldn't he not smoke for short periods twice a year, rather than his children have to suffer illness because of it? Sorry OP, it sounds like a crappy situation.

DonnaDoon · 06/09/2012 17:25

Surely twice a year is really upsetting for these kids when he crops up like a bad penny and "upsets their apple cart". Yes in a few years they wont want to see him but that is still a long time away.

surfingluby · 06/09/2012 17:25

Thanks so much for all your replies........
I've never stopped him from seeing them for the simple reason he is their dad, for all his faults I've tried to maintain that but it always seems to be one sided! We also tried to stop the children from calling my partner dad as they do have one but it was their decission and they wouldn't let it go......they even said but he's here all the time and daddy never comes home.......they then just all started calling him it!
It was shower gel sorry :-)
As for it only being twice a year so it doesn't matter, it actually suits me perfect that it is only twice a year but it doesn't suit the children......he leaves them in such a mess it's awful for them and then when he goes back they have no idea when he'll be back again, he promises them he'll be home for their birthdays and Christmas but nearer the time he let's them down :-(
I agree with what one of you said about leaving them to it and letting them decide for themselves, I just worry the damage he's doing to them now while they are so young. My eldest has enough in her head with starting big school and just generally growing up, she doesn't need all the heartache that comes with him too :-(
I think I just worry too much and if I'm honest try too much to make him a better parent when I should just leave him to it and let the children work it out for themselves as my eldest is beginning to work him out now and my son has no respect for him when he lies.
I don't care what he says about me I just don't think it's fair the children have to hear it all, it upsets them :-(
Socknickingpixie how do I get it moved? Thanks :-)
Thanks again for all your replies :-)

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thebestisyettocome · 06/09/2012 17:29

Further to my previous reply, and in a nutshell I think he sounds like a completely crap dad (thank god for you and your DP) but I think you've got to let your kids make their own minds up about him.

LadySybildeChocolate · 06/09/2012 17:34

Ds used to see his father for one hour once every 18 months/2 years, there's been very little contact other than this, 3 calls in 10 years, half a dozen emails. This year ds decided that he didn't want to see him. It's never been my decision to make, so I've never turned his father away. As useless as your child's father is, he's still their father and they have a right to see him until they decide not to.

kinkynagbag · 06/09/2012 17:37

i feel for you, i am in situation where the childrens farther lives abroad. but doesnt visit or even phone. i used to phone him for the kids sake untill he said i was interfearing with his life and social time.

i think my self lucky that he has just cut all contact and i dont have to deal with any of his shit no more. but picking up the broken heart is hard to do. esp with ds1. ds2 was only 4 months when he last saw him so is not really affected. you cant miss what you didnt have in a way.

my advice would be to just stop all the running about. if he wants to see them let him do all the work. dont slag him of to your children, but dont cover or lie for him ethier. when ds1 ask why daddy doesnt speack to him any more all i can say is that " i dont know why, but he does still love you he just doesnt know how to show it and is behaving in a not so nice way right now."

i dont think theres a right or wrong answer, your dammed if you do dammed if you dont. but i agree the kids will see him for what he is and it will be his lose.

surfingluby · 06/09/2012 17:52

thebestisyettocome I think your right, I think from now on I don't ask him when he's coming to visit and I won't get the children to ask him. When he's late or doesn't turn up I will tell the children to ask him why and won't make excuses for him. I also may restrict his time with them for the sake of their health/tiredness and ask that he has them from 9 till 3 and send them with pack lunches that way they will be eating well so won't get constipated or poorly from his visits. it will save him money too so I can't see their being a problem.
I've never done anything like this before, I've just let him have them and left them all too it but tried to make it as nice as possible as the children think my partner and I like him!!!! But it's just having too much of an affect on them when he does show up, I just felt I needed some advice from people who don't know us as you'll all know full well my friends and family are biest!
Thanks to you all for making me feel better about it

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thebestisyettocome · 06/09/2012 18:04

Good luck Smile

surfingluby · 06/09/2012 18:18

Thank you :-)

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