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Exh only wants to have dc separately (long sorry)

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OctopusSocktopuss · 09/07/2012 21:38

It would take too long to explain the whole situation, but I have been divorced for 7 years. Contact between exh and the dc has been sporadic over the years, mostly happening when he wants it, cancelled when he has been busy.

Contact has stopped completely at times when he has been so abusive to the dc they have refused to see him. The last time was before Christmas when xh hit ds1 and we had to get social services involved.

The dc have taken a long time to want to see him again, this was helped by exh buying ds1 a very expensive guitar. Ds2 got bought one very recently.

What has happened though, to rebuilt relationships between him and the dc, he has only had them separately. Mostly ds1, who is his favourite, so much so that even ds1 proudly announces this fact. Ds2 feels like 2nd best and doesn't want to stay at exh and has to be brought back every time.

This situation is causing many problems, ds1 is mean to ds2, he has a feeling that he is better than him and treats him accordingly. He doesn't want to go to his dad's with his brother, I suspect because he will have to share the attention.

Exh doesn't cope with the two of them very well, he hasn't had both of them at the same time since contact started back up.

I have now said that they must go together, as I believe that the cause of a lot of our problems are due to ds1 feeling superior to his brother. I have no problem with one 2 one, but as an extra contact, I feel quite strongly that not only is exh doing his 'selective' parenting, but that it's not a natural situation to only see the other parent alone.

Exh doesn't work, doesn't 'help' (as he puts it), pays £5 a week and continually refuses to do anything unless I write off his CSA debt. I have asked him to have the boys for one week in the holidays, which he won't (unless I write off the debt).

What does anyone else think? It's not right is it that he only wants one child at a time, and because the younger one won't go on his own, it means he only sees that child?

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Chubfuddler · 09/07/2012 21:40

I think there is no good reason to have this person in their lives, at all. I would stop contact completely.

OctopusSocktopuss · 09/07/2012 21:44

The contact recently has been because they wanted to see him. It took a long time for that to happen and I have been very clear to them that they could see him when they wanted to, but if they didn't that I would never force them.

He is not a good role model and he slags me off to them, which they report back. He slags me off by text often.

He is a vile man, but he is their dad and if they want to see him I don't want to stop that. But he has created a situation whereby one child is favoured massively and obviously and the other doesn't want to be on his own there

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tempnameswap · 09/07/2012 21:44

No it isn't right and it sounds as if he is spoiling the relationship between the brothers too. It is utterly toxic and I think you need to protect both boys from this situation.

pumpkinsweetie · 09/07/2012 21:45

I would stop contact, his behaviour and favouritism is not good for them, he is bringing nothing postitive to their lifes.
He wants what suits him without a thought for your ds's.
By what im reading he is obviously not 'dad' material

Chubfuddler · 09/07/2012 21:46

Sometimes we have to listen to what our children want and sometimes not. He's not a good man, he's not a good role model. They'd like a dad in their lives, cant blame them, but he's not a dad to them is he? He sounds vile.

OctopusSocktopuss · 09/07/2012 21:47

it is toxic isn't it (phew glad I'm not the only one who thinks that)

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OctopusSocktopuss · 09/07/2012 21:48

Oh he'll take me to court for contact, again. He has done this twice after the dc have refused to see him. Then when he gets the contact, he doesn't want it!

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pumpkinsweetie · 09/07/2012 21:49

How is he affording to take you to court when he is paying a lousy £5 a week child support?

OctopusSocktopuss · 09/07/2012 21:51

Legal aid pumpkin
I have to represent myself because I work and can't afford any more legal fees (has cost me about £10,000 so far)

that gets me I can tell you!

I think he likes to have his 'day' in court so he can tell everyone he's had to take me to court again, then when I try to arrange the contact he can't possible commit to it! It's a joke

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pumpkinsweetie · 09/07/2012 21:55

Discusting, absolutely discusting that he gets legal aid each and everytime but doesn't keep up with contact!
I find it awful legal aid can be abused in such a way yet he can get away with paying you only a fiver!!Angry
He doesn't deserve to be their father, if he cannot put the effort in with BOTH boys.

OctopusSocktopuss · 09/07/2012 22:03

So you don't think I'm being unreasonable to put my foot down then?

He trained to be a counsellor for a few years, treating adult addicts, but that seems to have given him this annoying attitude that he knows everything, especially our dc. I've told him he's talking absolute twaddle and I have a professional counsellor lined up for ds1, who has quite a few anger issues. The school arranged it for me, they can see that every time ds1 has contact his behaviour gets really bad

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pumpkinsweetie · 09/07/2012 22:07

Yanbu-put your foot down!

OctopusSocktopuss · 09/07/2012 22:18

Thanks!
I've really stood up to him this time, he's told me I'm emotionally unstable and an angry woman! Just because I have disagreed with him.
He is a bulky and I'm sick of being bullied and seeing him create a bulky out of ds1

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OctopusSocktopuss · 09/07/2012 22:19

*bully not bulky!

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RandomMess · 09/07/2012 22:22

He is toxic undoubtedly.

I would not want my dc spending time with someone who treated them like that.

OctopusSocktopuss · 09/07/2012 22:40

I don't want them to particularly, but the court process never seems to look at what's gone in before, they are only interested in how to get contact going again, which is why I have let the dc decide for themselves

Luckily for me, whenever I ask him to commit to regular contact he says he can't commit.

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STIDW · 10/07/2012 00:40

The problem with stopping contact is that children who grow up without knowing and seeing a parent (even if that parent's behaviour leaves much to be desired by most people's standards) tend to have low self esteem leading to emotional and behavioural problems in later life such as dysfunctional adulthood relationships. Any harm children may suffer is balanced against the harm they suffer when one natural parent is cut out of their lives. That's why courts support contact in all but the most exceptional circumstances.

I agree there needs to some boundaries, but human nature is such that you put your foot down it will be met with resentment and resistance which will make the situation worse. If you've been to court recently it might be worth having a word with CAFCASS to see if they can recommend a way forward or speaking with the counsellor.

corlan · 10/07/2012 15:41

He sounds like pure poison.

Seeing the boys separately is causing problems between them. I'd lay money that your sons will have a much happier and longer relationship with each other than they ever will with their dad but he is poisoning it.

I would tell him he has to see them together - put your foot down, don't tolerate his bullshit. I'm so sorry for you that you have to put up with this man.Sad

anklebitersmum · 10/07/2012 16:44

Stand up to him. Both together or not at all and tell him you won't be held to ransom over your children's emotional welfare as regards his CSA debts.
Put it in writing (I know, more money :() and stick to it.

He can't go to court to say he doesn't want to have one of them-they won't pay for that on legal aid.

Good luck and a big squeeze from someone who feels your pain :)

OctopusSocktopuss · 10/07/2012 17:44

Thanks for the support, it's such a battle all the time with this fuckwit of a man.
I've told him how it's going to be, he still can't see why treating one child like an only child would cause problems. He doesn't see it of course because he never has them together!

I wish he had someone to talk to that would get him to see the reality sometimes. Life is hard enough as a single working parent without having to battle all the time, especially with someone who'd drop them like a hot potato if something else came along

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STIDW · 10/07/2012 20:57

I found it was easier once I accepted there is nothing you can do to make an unreasonable person reasonable and planned accordingly. That way if he didn't turn up or was late or whatever I had contingency plans and didn't get in a paddy about it.

OctopusSocktopuss · 10/07/2012 23:36

I did that a lOng time ago. I assume I'll always have them and book a baby sitter if I'm going out. Even when he used to have both if them before I would always have a back up plan if it was something I wanted to go to. Thinking about it I used to have a backup plan for bank holidays even when we were together because he'd manufacture a row just before the weekend so he could go on a bender!

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OctopusSocktopuss · 11/07/2012 18:18

I might use this thread as a way of recording what's happening if no-one minds

The latest flurry of texts have revealed him to be in a flap about this. He's demanded that I am in standby if the boys want to come back for any reason (not happening).

So I've said no more texts. I will email him the timetable of when he can have them. That contact is to be regular, consistent and includes both xc. I will expect confirmation or assume its not happening.

He has dictated his terms for too long now. Fitting them in around his social life. No court is going to criticise me for offering more contact are they? The thing is I know he doesn't really want it, never has. The dc are just time fillers.

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corlan · 11/07/2012 18:38

Well done OctopuSoctopuss Thanks - Let's hope he can find it in him to behave like a decent human being.

OctopusSocktopuss · 15/07/2012 12:08

Both boys went together last night and have just been returned. Parting (angry) comment from ex was 'boys say they want to come together and individually so you'll have to change your mind'
I said email me!
Both boys have just told me that's all he talked about all weekend,telling them what they should want. Over and over again
Neither ever actually said what they did want

So I shall insist on both of them going until a healthy contact pattern has established itself, then I'll begin to let extra contact happen. Rather than the one to one (with the same child) be the norm.

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