Latest fathers for justice campaign

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Thoughts on it?

Which one exactly, they seem to have several on the go at the moment? Not inspired by any of them and I'm not convinced any of them have a great deal of support.

Haven't heard anything about it. Obviously they are not scaling Westminster this time.

Mind had a thought, perhaps the group should focus on re-educating spineless, feckless "fathers" who refuse to have regular, proper contact with their kids, even if you beg them to, and to actually pay for their upkeep as that is both a legal and moral obligation.

I do think it is so sad that there are these willing fathers out there who actually do want to be part of their children's lives and can't, who have their reputation destroyed by being tarred with the same brush as these other ones (as described above). It really is where the campaign should be IMO.

I googled it, and found a link to anti mumsnet stuff on their website - they posted a few quotes from mumsnet posters. They were using them to justify an advert they ran, which got banned. Is that what you mean?
Are you pro F4J?
Personally I generally keep away from F4J. I don't think entering into bitter arguments does anyone any favours. I do think it was right to ban the ad though, it wasn't nice, and it didn't put them in a good light.

Is it perhaps this?

Oh dear. Having read that link, actually scrap what I said above. If the best this group can do is to get attention by being on the offensive like that, they are not worth a huge deal.

Fathers4Justice make me sick. My dd (6) spent mother's day at her dad's as per court order, and was caught creeping downstairs to try and ring me in secret. That's fathers 4 justice for you.

If they were bothered, they'd have called themselves Justice4kids. Cos remember guys, it's all about the children.

I know it is only personal experience, but my DH had a horrendous time trying to get a court order for reasonable contact. It cost a fortune, and he had to jump through all kinds of hoops, despite being the victim of DV. F4J at least raised public awareness and allowed us to find the help we needed - without it we would have had to give up and DSS would not have a relationship with his Daddy. I think they moved the debate forward (although I'm not an apologist for them or informed enough about the organisation currently to offer an opinion on recent campaigns)

And requiring them to focus on fathers who don't want contact is a bit like requiring women's aid to focus on 're-educating' women who make false accusations, isn't it?

I agree with Balia.

As a mother of boys I thank campaign groups like Fathers 4 Justice. If their future wives ever try to keep my future grand children from them my boys might be in a stronger position.

STIDW, but you support and promote a mother harassing a Father 'allegedly' not paying child support?

If the You Tube footage that I am refering to was actually a Father doing the exact same, wanting contact, would he not be facing allegations of harassment?

I'm sure your copy and paste answer would be to point said Father toward applying to court.

As a mother of boys I thank campaign groups like Fathers 4 Justice. If their future wives ever try to keep my future grand children from them my boys might be in a stronger position.

That seems such a sad way to think about your sons' and your future. I have a son, but it wouldn't have occured to me to worry about his future wife leaving him and causing him trouble. (he is only 2 though!)

If someone has an issue about something said somewhere else they should raise it there rather than derail this thread.

I'm still not entirely sure which campaign OP is referring to but if it was the orchestrating of a flame war on MN to justify it's boycott of M&S it didn't seem to be well thought out. MN has a huge following and the flaming just prompted many MNters to show their support by shopping at M&S. So the "boycott" wasn't successful and just promoted sales. The ASA says the rest.

www.asa.org.uk/ASA-action/Adjudications/2012/7/Fathers-For-Justice-Ltd/SHP_ADJ_191317.aspx

Then there was the Fathers Day March supported only by about 120 protesters. This was followed with various press interviews that focused on arguments about statistics relating to the numbers of court cases and the % of the total that represented. The number of contact orders isn't the problem, the difficulty fathers' complain about is the time it takes for their case to conclude, not having enough contact and it breaking down and the argument about statistics detracted from that.

I wouldn't want our son to loose contact if he ever has children either but I don't think F4J will help that. In my experience the organisation is very good at ratcheting up grievances about courts being out to get them. That encourages fathers to go about things in the wrong way so they alienate others which often creates a self fulfilling prophecy.