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lostinthejungle · 21/03/2011 13:09

Hello, everyone, can anyone tell me if there is a thread out there that discusses whether or not to become a lone parent from early stages of pregnancy? Also, is there one that discusses the difficulties/joys of being lone parent of baby/small child when there is no man around at all? (Most of the threads here seem to be about the additional pain caused by idiot exes, or even absence of good exes.)

Asking for a friend (early 40s) who is trying to decide to go ahead with pregnancy or not. If she authorises I might also post for additional advice about her specific situation, which is a particularly difficult one.

Thanks so much, ladies!

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hariboegg · 21/03/2011 13:48

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lostinthejungle · 21/03/2011 14:16

Thanks for your reply, Hariboegg. Too right, definitely not cut and dry. As I say, my mate's situation is extremely challenging for a number of reasons. It's just that one of the concerns I have right now is that she doesn't actually know any other single mums (by choice or otherwise) that can advise her for or against. If at least I could send her a couple of links where people are discussing this kind of situation (i.e. no father from the start), that would at least be a net positive (even if the feedback is negative!). So much better if she herself would post, but unfortunately she is so far down in the doldrums and so busy with work. And who knows, she's probably not a forum freak like me!

So, if anyone does know of threads along these lines (I have been trawling, but no luck so far), please let me know. I'm also going to ask her if I can post on her behalf.

Thanks again HE.

Ta a million.

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GypsyMoth · 21/03/2011 14:19

I would never have willingly gone into this if I'd known

Does she have a good support network? Financially secure? Housing?

My lot are hitting teen years..... This is where it's starting to fall apart and fir the first time I'm thinking I can't do this

She would need support

KatharineClifton · 21/03/2011 14:23

Nobody can 'advise for or against' though. If your friend wants a baby then there is no problem with being a single parent. If she doesn't want a baby then there obviously is a problem.

I take it your friend is already pregnant and deciding whether to continue with the pregnancy or not?

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Kewcumber · 21/03/2011 14:29

I chose to be a single paretn - I adopted a baby with no partner and DS is now 5. I don;t regret it for a minute (though at 5am this morning with a cold and an eye infection was a tad grumpy).

I'm lucky that my mum is very supportive, also that I haveno baggage of a failed relationship with access visits etc to negotiate. What I say goes and we can be as relaxed or slobbish as we like wihtout considereing anyone else.

But:

You ned to work quite hard to ensure your DC in this situation have a positive view of a/some man/men in their life.
You never get a lie in, ever.
You have no-one to discuss big decisions with who cares as much as you do.

Everything is your responsibility financial and emotional.

For me it was an easy decision - did I want a baby or not. being without a partner from the beginning is in my view easier (if you have a modicum of support from friedns/family) that losing a partner along the way and also it helps if you are a coping kind of person.

But the simple question really is - does she want to baby enough?

Kewcumber · 21/03/2011 14:30

there are various groups of single mothers by choice if she wants to talk to them - also she can tyr the forum on www.singlewithkids.co.uk

cestlavielife · 21/03/2011 14:33

it is not about having a specific man around but having support from other human beings. whether they a partner or not.

a non supportive partner is worse than having no partner - but again - unless she naturally a recluse then some human practical support would be good to arrange - even if she pays for it

if she has the financial support and has other people to support her and she wants a baby she will be fine.

if she doesnt want a baby - then dont have one.

KatharineClifton · 21/03/2011 14:34

hariboegg - that would of meant nothing to me. Other people's babies did nothing for me before I had my own.

I'm glad Kewcumber is here - she has the best advice :)

I was on my own from part-way through pregnancy and it can be a difficult thing to parent children completely alone, but also absolutely wonderful.

hariboegg · 21/03/2011 14:40

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KatharineClifton · 21/03/2011 14:49

I expect it could be just what some people need hariboegg :)

GypsyMoth · 21/03/2011 14:51

It's not just the baby bit tho, that's short lived anyway

It's the reality later on as well.

Kewcumber · 21/03/2011 14:56

I agree tiffany but we can all only advise based on what we know - I'm not sure that the teenage years are predictably easier if you are married than single though (judging by friends and family) and I know a friend wth triplet teenagers whose DH left when she was preganant having conceived via IVF Shock who doesn;t appear to be having any worse a time of it (in fact in many ways better) than married friends with teenagers.

Also I do think that bieng single with one is easier in very many ways than being single with more than one.

skylarkatdawn · 21/03/2011 15:15

I was a lone parent from early pg as I left ExP due to DV.

I was quite fortunate, as due to the circs, I qualified for a fair bit of state help with housing, benefits etc. It might not be something everyone agrees with, but I found that I was able to cope financially reasonably well as I've always been resourceful and pretty shrewd on that front.

I was also able to move closer to family support. My parents are happy to look after DD overnight which meant that I could have the luxury of lie-ins and free childcare which meant I was able to retrain. I've also been able to maintain a reasonable social life. But things would have been very different if I didn't have that support.

It's hard to have to make big decisions on my own, but then again, in couples I know, this often leads to arguments anyway. These days I'm quite good at researching the various options myself and I'm relieved that I don't have to consult anyone now.

Personally I often feel relieved when I read the threads here that I don't have an ExP involved (he has never seen DD) and all the complications regarding access and PR. I would hate to have to split my holiday and weekend time with DD.

lostinthejungle · 21/03/2011 15:45

Ladies, thanks so much for all your kind responses here, I hope to be able to point my friend to them. Right now waiting to see if she will let me post some of the details of her situation.

As someone who is in situation of marital breakdown (possibly still recoverable) with 5 year old son, I myself sometimes wish that we had split up when DS was a baby, before he had developed fantastic relationship with father (who is a good person, just a total disaster area). How can I take that away from DS, particularly as we would probably end up living on different continent to his father? It's just too painful.

Bit hard for my friend to really absorb that kind of thing right now, tho....

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nixnjj · 21/03/2011 18:03

I did it alone from early pregnancy and had to move due to DV so no support either. Never wanted kids.Left a job I loved and plenty of cash.Had him later on in life at 36 and 7 years in I can honestly say i have never been happier. Yes it gets tough at times, yes I get days where you think I can't do this but you do.

Basically it all boils down to does she want a baby. I went through my pregnacy thinking adoption, then changed my mind at about 7 month decided on a nanny and boarding school later on. The second they laid him on me and he looked into my eyes my life changed. If she wants to chat to someone privately she or you are welcome to message me.

WillIEverBeASizeTen · 21/03/2011 20:15

I am a lone parent. Not what I set out to be but that's what happened along the way. Personally I would never have CHOSEN that path. It's very hard. I don't care about not having a lie in or even much of a social life, what I care about is my children having a father in their life. When they are young, it's easy. My son is 13 now and his father is useless (hence LP). When I stand on the line as he's playing football I just know he would love his Dad to be there. That breaks my heart...

GRW · 21/03/2011 20:55

I chose to have a child on my own through donor insemination, and it's been the best decision of my life. She is 13 now, and is ok about not having a Dad as it's all she's ever known, and she is open about it with her friends. She has grown up knowing other kids in single by choice families and I think that has helped.
If your friend in nearing the end of her fertile years she may regret it if she chooses not to go ahead with this pregnancy.

bochead · 21/03/2011 20:59

To have the child:-

  1. Does she have a good support network. I'm so grateful I became a single Mum when I was out of my teens as my friends were all sensible types when I needed a shoulder to cry on/responsible enough to mind him for 1/2 hour while I went to get lemsip for me & calpol for him. A good support network is critical - make friends at antenatal classes/nursery/school etc cos as a lone parent you'll need them at some point!
  1. Housing - how secure is her housing? Can she afford the mortgage or should she move to a cheaper part of the country.
  1. Childcare - what's it like in your area. I visited nurseries I wouldn't have left a dog in but found 2 wonderful ones and an amazing childminder once I decided to travel a little to get to them. On my doorstep the childcare was pants.
  1. Finance - the csa is a waste of time & benefits are getting tougher to obtain every year. Can she do it alone? How resourceful is she at running a home on a shoestring REALLY?
  1. Dear daddy - will he stay uninvolved or will he, like mine did pop up and make life unpleasant a year or 2 down the line? Does she have the strength to handle either scenario, or even the one where he decides to be a good Dad later on and get involved properly. (Men are unpredictable critters, prone to changing their minds).
  1. Can she handle a kid with special needs? These can show up much later than babyhood, going it alone in these circumstances gets even tougher.

To not have the child

  1. Is it her first? If so will she regret possibly never being a Mum s you say she's in her 40's.
  1. If she has kids already the impact on them of the new child is the key thing to consider, everything else comes under the heading "minor details".
  1. Can she handle an abortion emotionally?. Some women never give it a second thought, others are haunted by their choice. By 40 you should know yourself well enough to know which camp you fall into.
lookingfoxy · 21/03/2011 21:36

I split from ex before I even knew I was pregnant, to be perfectly honest, I was so wrapped up in pregnancy and for the first year of ds's life that I wouldn't have had room for anyone else.

Also my body changed quite a bit and I would have felt very very insecure around a man in that respect also (well until it went back to what it was).

That really was a magical time and im glad on a selfish level that I didn't have to 'share' ds with anyone when he was so small.

I guess I never really worried about coping on my own, I knew I would just have to get on with it.

lostinthejungle · 22/03/2011 02:11

Hello there, and a thousand thanks once again for all the really useful responses you have given, both positive and negative. Happily, my friend says that she would appreciate it if I would post on her behalf. I'll try not to go into too much detail, but for some reason I can never get my posts in under 1,000 words, so forgive me for that!

I will declare up front that, like the rest of her close friends, I think she should go ahead with her pregnancy. But she's the one that will have to do it and only she can decide.

She is in early 40s, as I say, and given her circumstances if she terminates this pregnancy it is highly unlikely she will ever have a child. Father ended what she thought was incipient relationship the second the deed had been done (before even she knew she was pregnant) - three cheers for him, then.

Here's where it gets very complicated. She is totally on her own, in that she has had no contact with her parents for many years, and virtually none with siblings (I don't know the full story, but there was clearly some significant emotional abuse). Her childhood left her with very low self-esteem and she has spent a long time dealing with clinical depression (very extreme at times). She has been on anti-depressants for quite a while and they seem to have helped, but as far as I can see she is rather stubborn about wanting to wean herself off them and that has caused relapses. Also, since she separated about 9 years ago from a partner of well over a decade, she has had a small number of relationships with men who have all screwed her over badly. She thinks it's her fault, whereas I think it's just horrible luck. She also thinks that her failed relationships are some kind of evidence that she will screw up a relationship with her child (I totally disagree with this as I am hardly a shining example of successful marriage myself and yet I think I am a fantastic mum!)

If she terminates, it won't be the first time. She says she never really recovered from having to do it once a long time ago. Does she want a baby? She says she would have been thrilled if the father had stood by her. Bringing a child up on her own fills her with panic, but so does the thought of a termination.

She has what seems to me to be a large number of extremely close friends, in the UK and elsewhere, who are all pulling to support her. We all think she is the bee's knees - really attractive, highly cultured, dead intelligent, but she has been depressed for so long that she just can't believe us. And highly unfortunately, she moved overseas last year, away from all her friends and into an extremely stressful job. She has been working 7 days a week for ages (I worked for the same employer and know they simply expect that - you get no credit at all). If she does go ahead with the pregnancy, I can't see that she can possibly avoid moving back to the UK where she has a support network, and I think she probably sees that.

On the financial front, she is earning pretty well now, but has been so unhappy in her career for so long that we all want her to find something that will make her happy, or at least be a neutral factor instead of aggravating her depression. Easier said than done of course - and she has a lot of fears about just chucking it all in and hoping for the best. (I myself think that if she goes ahead with the pregnancy, she should allow herself some down time. Even though it will come at a cost, she is easily good enough to get back onto the treadmill.) She does have a flat with not much of a mortgage left on it back in the UK, which is great news.

I have loads more thoughts about her situation, of which she is well aware. Most importantly, I am not alone among her friends in thinking that a child could give her an emotional anchor - a meaning to her life (though of course she is terrified she will damage him/her). I also think that she would need to be very determined about managing her depression and not ignoring what the doctor tells her. And finally, I agree with many of you that it's better for a child never to have known a parent than to lose one under ugly circumstances at an early age.

But that said, I would appreciate it if you could all give her your thoughts given your own experiences of being single mums. I do hope that I have represented her situation here accurately, and that she will chip in to clarify anything I have got wrong.

Thank you all so much.

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KatharineClifton · 22/03/2011 02:21

None of that makes any difference. Either she wants the child or she doesn't. It's a commitment for the rest of her life so it has to be her decision alone.

She is obviously well aware of emotional abuse, and that knowledge will help her parenting enormously. It will help her avoid being emotionally abusive to her child.

Bringing up a child well isn't rocket science. A mature financially solvent woman can easily do it.

I expect she will continue to vacillate until it is too late to make a decision and that will be that.

KatharineClifton · 22/03/2011 02:22

And depresion is no barrier to successful parenting.

softlyamber · 22/03/2011 11:52

It depends how severe the depression is, tbh. lostinthejungle says it has been 'very extreme'. There is research evidence of attachment difficulties in cases of maternal depression and I've worked with clients who are still unravelling the impact of having a depressed parent in adulthood. 'Depressed' can mean anything from a low mood but managing to get on with things - which wouldn't be a barrier - to being suicidal and not meeting any of the child's basic needs - which, of course, would.

It sounds like the OP's friend will need a lot of support in managing her illness and to cope with the emotional impact of a child. It will do her no good to underestimate that need. It's not fair to the child to expect it to provide an emotional anchor - that is the parent's role. And I think the issues here are far more complex than just asking whether she wants a child - she has to be able to provide for it, not only in practical terms but also emotional.

She really needs more in-depth exploration about this rather than a talkboard - I would recommend in-depth counselling which can help her talk through her feelings.

boxingHelena · 22/03/2011 12:38

everything SOFTLYAMBER said
I could have been your friend, six year down the line now, all I can say is think very hard about the child needs as he grows up, the first years are the easy part (and they arent easy iyfwim)