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am i lonely because i am a LP?

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booyhoo · 25/11/2010 13:57

i don't really think it is just this but i can't help thinking it's a big part of it. I'm not sure really but i sort of feel that me being a single person is making me less appealing/attractive/important/can't think of the word as a friend. i don't know any other LPs. infact i know very few single people at all. my best friend since college isn't really what you would call a BF anymore. she socialises with her DH. i invited her for coffee last week and her DH came along, not that i don't like him. i do, i get on with him but he isn't my BF and i can't talk to him the way i talk to her. i haven't seen her by herself for months and it was only because i dropped in one saturday while he was at work. she never ever contacts me or visits me at home. i understand she values her time with her DH and he is far more important than just a friend. i don't know. is it me? i feel the same about any 'friendships' i have. not that they are friendships. just people i know that i have met once or twice for coffee. contact never seems to be maintained. i saw a girl yesterday that i had been meeting up with evry month or so until august. she has ignored my texts since august and then when she saw me yesterday she just said, she couldn't cope with softplay anymore (that's where we were meeting) but i mean she could have replied to me and told me that, rather than jsut ignore me. what's wrong with me? why can't i keep friendships going? they all seem so fragile. is it because people don't want the spare part single person around or what? when i was woth Exp we used to get invited to my Best friend's all teh time but i haven't been invited once simce he left.

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hariboegg · 25/11/2010 16:23

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Miley10 · 25/11/2010 18:13

Hi booyhoo, I know exactly what you mean. I've been a lp for 15 years and over those years I've met alot of other parents, people at college. I try really hard to keep the friendship going but it always ends up one sided where I'm putting in the effort but if it wasnt for me then I probably wouldnt hear from them. Now if I meet anyone new I put in the effort but I dont expect anything. Maybe people are too busy or already have enough friends. Sorry I dont have any advice but I wanted to say you're not alone.

SuePurblybiltByElves · 25/11/2010 18:23

Hi boo

I think you're right. I don't get invited to some "family" events and recently a mum from school wanted to bring her husband and 4yo over for a playdate Confused. I also have the "fragile" friendships - it's so easy to let things slide when you can't go out as much because there's nobody to stay with the dcs or because you have no money Sad. I have to turn down 9 out of 10 invitations to everything from village meetings to book clubs to yoga to girls nights. All opportunities for strengthening friendships lost.
Don't know a solution tho, sorry.

poshsinglemum · 25/11/2010 21:12

If someone won't make an effort because you are single then they are not worth being friends with imo. I think it is outrageous that people are threatened by single women. I think that being threatening is a compliment. After all being fabulous is a threat.

booyhoo · 26/11/2010 02:27

thank you all for replying. it does help to know it isn't just me that thinks this or feels like this.

hariboegg i usually do try and see things with a glass half full approach. i think seeing that girl yesterday and hearing her silly excuse just brought supressed thoughts back to the surface. it was at my breastfeeding group i saw her. she was with another woman who made a point of dominating the conversation and making it clear that X already had a friend. point taken on my part. the whole session felt very awkward and i found myself wondering why i even go anymore. have been going for 18 months now and haven't made a friend in all that time. i only go for company but i'm not even getting that from it.

miley same here. i always feel as if i am the one doing all the running and i become resentful. this may be completely unjustified but i have always felt that people think it's easier for me to visit them because i don't have a partner at home to be with, when in fact the opposite is true. it's harder for me because i have no partner and therefore no-one to sit with the dcs or share the workload with.

sue yes money is a huge factor. i don't have spare money for evening classes or clubs or hobbies, and even if i did it would just mean more money for babysitters. it feels like i am excluded from the adult world sometimes.

poshsingle i would normally agree with you that if they won't make the effort then they aren't worth being friends with, but if that's the case then it's everyone who isn't worth being friends with. and i know that's not true, i just don't know why i haven't come across anyone who does want to make the effort. conclusion is that it must be me that puts people off.

I'm really not usually this negative. i always paint on a smile and am an outgoing person but it just dawned on me yesterday that i actually have no friends. no-one that i can call and talk to, no-one that drops in just for a cuppa, no-one that even thinks "I'll give boo a text, haven't seen her in a while"

how do people that have loads of friends do it? why are there some people that just attract others? what is it about them that makes people want to keep in touch with them?

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gettingeasier · 26/11/2010 16:30

Hi boo sorry to read your posts.

I am very lucky in that I have a lot of friends but like yours all of them are married bar a couple.

I have been a LP since last christmas and for the first few months was really well supported with lots of texts,people coming over in the evenings etc. Since the summer though I have noticed that most of the things I do are instigated by me and in low moments I feel tired of asking people over or to do things knowing that if I dont then I will be on my own.

It is hard but I have taken the view that actually a lot of people are really busy and do have a family life to maintain and so arent necessarily thinking "Oh I wonder what Gettingeasier is doing or if shes ok". I just accept that I need to do most of the running if I want to be busy.

What does help is my dc are old enough to be left on their own during the day and for a couple of hours in the evening which makes a big difference.

Dont give up on meeting new people and maintaining the friends you do have , I think if you allow yourself to become cynical it will make it worse.

hariboegg · 26/11/2010 16:35

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booyhoo · 26/11/2010 17:23

hi gettingeasier yes, i know you are right. people are very busy with their own lives. i think what annoys me is that i am not on anyone's radar, whereas there are about 5/6 people i was texting regularly to see how they were, just to keep in touch, but it was always me instigating it. whenever i didn't text for a while the contact lapsed and then it felt odd starting again. i am trying very hard not to become cynical about it but the pattern is reoccuring again and again. i just can't help thinking i am the problem.

hariboegg yes, i am going to see what other groups there are locally. you are right. i do just feel like i have no one person that i can lean on. i think if there was someone i could talk to then i wouldn't be so worried about other people not keeping in touch. i will try and stay positive. i know no-one is drawn to a misery guts.

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needtogetalife · 26/11/2010 17:26

I dont think its because you are a LP I think its to do with the type of person. I am married and still lonely, I dont have anyone I would call a friend, they are all aquatencies (sp) some people make friends so very easily some don't. DH says I actually push people away now hence no friends!

booyhoo · 26/11/2010 17:32

needtogetalife i am guilty of that aswell. i remember my mum reading a mug with a little verse about my name and it said something about expecting friends to be loyal. she said that was me over the nail. i knowi find it hard to forgive what i perceive as friendship misdemeanors. i have been working on it though and thought i had accepted it was my issue and was doing better with it. maybe not.

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gettingeasier · 27/11/2010 14:02

I used to be very very much like that with rather a tit for tat attitude and easily offended if a I got left out of an invite.

I realised I was being small minded and worked hard on not "counting" who did what and happily doing the running over a period of time and now its second nature. I should say I am 44 and none of this took place overnight !!!

globalmouse · 27/11/2010 17:00

booyhoo - "no-one that drops in just for a cuppa, no-one that even thinks "I'll give boo a text, haven't seen her in a while"
I know exactly where you are coming from. I often feel I am off people's radar. I think I rely on friends too much, and always end up getting hurt :(
So today, 2 good friends said they would go out with me, as they know I am no good on my own when I dont have ds. But what had been planned as a whole day thing ended up being 2 hours cos they both wanted to go home to their families. I feel so let down. I would gladly give up a day for them, but they wont for me. To make it worse, one of them pulled out of going out in the evening because she had another friend coming over. :( The other one didnt even give a reason. Of course, its her right to not have to go out if she doesnt want to, but they both know I am really lonely yet dont seem to care.
I just wish I could cope with being on my own better so I dont feel so lonely.

yogaanna · 17/12/2010 12:25

I know this thread has not been commented for a while but it was nice to hear that I am not alone!
I do agree the hard thing is not having any life due to not being able to go to classes or nights out because no money for extra's and no babysitters. it can sometimes feel my life is totally ruined and destroyed by being a lone parent. I always had a good social life and lots of friends, but because I feel down (been alone for two and a half years now) I have not got the same sparkle and happy outlook I once had, making spending time with me, not such an attractive prospect anymore! I also struggle sometimes spending time with my happily married friends and being paranoid my son spends his time thinking 'this isn't fair! i want this' so will sometimes come home from these occasions feeling even worse.
Its so hard to meet men who would be willing to take on a single mum. And I am not getting any younger or any more attractive with age! To be fair to myself i am not hideous, 33, yoga teacher and fairly average looks, but just don't meet any men! and would probably scare them off with my desperation anyway!

booyhohoho · 17/12/2010 12:37

thank you for bumping this yogaanna.

i hadn't actually read the two posts previous to yours and i feel like globalmouses last sentence sums it up for me

"I just wish I could cope with being on my own better so I dont feel so lonely."

i think that is the key. it has to be. and without sounding like a cliche. happiness comes from within. i think it is up to me to decide what i am doing with my time and it is no-one else's responsibility to keep me amused/entertained/happy etc. i have to lower my expectations of what i think friends are/should be and i need to raise my expectations of myself and jsut spend a bit of time being me, by myself and finding out what makes me tick, then building on that.

gettingeasier · 17/12/2010 18:05

boo thats a wonderful post I am sooo glad you are feeling more positive

booyhohoho · 17/12/2010 22:22

i think today must be one of my better days getting Smile

ValiumShimmer · 18/12/2010 14:04

Booyhohoho, I am content in my own company and I don't feel lonely, but I can still identify with your first post.

I left my x over three years ago, and I think to begin with, because I was new in this area, it didn't seem strange that I had no friends amongst the women I was meeting. The fact that I was friend ly with a number of them seemed like a really positive sign. But roll on three years and... (I was saying this on another thread on LP the other day) I think that all these married women have been keeping me at a distance Shock.

PSM says that they're not worth being friends with if they don't want to be friends with you but like you say, that's everybody. I can't rule out everybody.

I think the answer is to get involved with things for single parents and that's the 'route' I'm trying to go down. I'm not prepared to have my nose up against the glass looking in to that couply world if they won't let me in! And how naive was I that it took me three years to process that realisation.....

Ok, new year, I'm definitely going to try and find out what social things are out there for single people. Because on line there are millions of us!!

CubaCat · 19/12/2010 17:37

I've only just seen this due to the recent additions to it, and I can completely relate to this thread. I've been on my own for almost 5 years (jeez, has it really been that long?!!) and like Valium I enjoy my own company and don't feel lonely as such, as I've never been one of those people who needs to be surrounded by people all the time and can't so much as wipe their arse on their own, but I do feel left out and somewhat invisible.

My friends are all in couples and are SAHMs so have time to cultivate friendships at playgroups, on the school run etc, and just with each other, as they can meet up every day if they want. They also have family and other close friends (that I don't know) all with kids, and everyone knows everyone else, so it's all hunky dory (for them). I just feel totally on the periphery. I work part time as well as run a house and bring up DS, so don't get the opportunity to meet other parents in a similar situation. Due to work, my parents take DS to preschool and pick him up, so I don't get to form relationships with other parents that way either.

As for going out to meet other people, agree with others that it's difficult because of lack of childcare and money. I agree with Boo in that I need to lower my expectations of my friends. However, that makes me a bit sad, because I'm sick of having no real friends that I can be close to and if I accept that I have to lower expectations of those I do have, it's like I'm accepting a life of solitude.

Sorry if I'm wallowing but I had a lonely experience at a soft play party this weekend, and am feeling a tad delicate.

The answer is, I don't think there's an easy answer.

equinox · 20/12/2010 04:36

I am a lp too and now I go to my Buddhist group I don't feel lonely hardly ever they are a lovely crowd of people.

There is scarcely any cost involved as invariably the meetings are daytime when my son is at school or if there is a meeting on a Fri eve or a Sunday morning and my son isn't over at his dad's that weekend I hire a v cheap and reliable childminder at £3 an hour (Derbyshire rate!). The only other cost is petrol the rest is free!

Once we start cheering up it appears social invites just fall into our lap all of a sudden i know quite a few fabulous people too it seems to happen all on its own through the ether lol.

I hope this helps.

CubaCat · 20/12/2010 06:32

Aw, you sound really happy equinox and I'm glad it's worked out for you. However that wouldn't work for me as I'm not religious in the slightest. Also I can't do things in the day as I work 3 days and the others I'm looking after DS as he's not at school yet. His dad has never bothered seeing him, so I don't get a break every other weekend like a lot of LPs. As for cheering up and invites will fall into our laps, well I'm not a miserable person - feeling left out and invisible isn't the same as being unhappy, although the first two can lead to the latter - but it just doesn't work like that for me (can't speak for anyone else, of course). I feel trapped.

maledetta · 20/12/2010 12:55

I could have started this post.

Boo and Gettingeasier's comments about being unforgiving about friendship misdemeanours really strikes a chord. This is something I've really had to work on too. It still pains me deeply that, quite often, so-called friends rarely get in touch with me;- that I have to do all the running.It also hurts me that I am not essential to the lives of anybody except DS,and maybe my family. It's easy to feel peripheral to the rest of society.

I think the answer to the original question is that it's not JUST that it's because we're LPs that we're lonely, but being a LP makes it much harder if you have a tendency to loneliness. Having a partner is a buffer against the world. Many lazy/ antisocial people don't bother socializing much without their partner, so that's them useless as potential friends for LPs.

Also, I think that many smug marrieds subconsciously think that single parenthood is Catching.

Also, let's face it, quite a lot of people, especially English people, get scared of Emotion, Woe and Drama, which many of us who have had a hard time are prone to bang on about....Far better sticking to hubbie's hobbies and toilet training.

(visions of self floating around at playgroup, screaming inside, nodding and smiling at people asking me how I am, because they DON't WANT TO KNOW that DS's half-brother is there with his mum, with whom I'm tentatively trying to get on good terms, and then the married woman that DS's dad ran off with, who is a fairly dreadful person in herself, turns up and starts cosying up w/ half-brother's mum (DS's dad is denying paternity, denying everything, while lavishing attention this woman's kids).If I told them all this they would think I'm a drama queen mentalist! They want to have cosy conversations about cute things the kids have done!)

Whoops. Ranting.

So...I suppose that a fundamental thing that we have to accept is that people do not give a fuck. They should, but they don't.

The only answer, I think, is to grow another skin, accept that you're going to have to do most of the running in friendships, try and act like a happy, confident person with friends even if you're not, and give give give in your friendships till it hurts- ask people how they are, send them little cards, whatever, even though you of all people don't have time or energy to spare...Have low expectations and then you won't be let down.

Ranty ranty rant...

CubaCat · 20/12/2010 13:11

Maledetta I want to come to your playgroup - can I, can I, can I?! I've got a pretty similar story so we can shock them out of their comfy, rose-tinted lives with tales from the real world!

I totally agree with your comment "I suppose that a fundamental thing that we have to accept is that people do not give a fuck. They should, but they don't." After the weekend I've had, I totally agree with this. And everything else you've said. All hail Maledetta

maledetta · 20/12/2010 13:22

Aw, how's that for mutual support (feels uncharacteristically cosy...)? Thanks CubaCat, I love you too!

By all means if you live in Cornwall, come along, and we can devise some sarcastic and wounding comments that will go right over the heads of 3 year olds....

Sometimes I wonder how my life went all SothWestenders....

maledetta · 20/12/2010 13:24

SouthWestEnders. Flu impacting on ability to type..

CubaCat · 20/12/2010 22:07

Aw shucks, I'm in Yorkshire. But I'm with you in spirit! Smile

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