csa..quick question...

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if x-p is now claiming tax credits with his new gf but they dont have dc together does this have an affect on what he pays through the csa?

up until now he has been classed a single and working x amount of hours.

now he is claiming tc as part of a couple and she has 2 dc. and i'm sure he is saying he works much less and getting the rest cash in hand

don't have time to phone csa now but will later.

tia

If he is living with her and supporting her children then there is a deduction made to his income to account for this before they calculate the percentage to you.

You can be earning quite a lot and still be entitled to claim tax credits. Look on the www.entitledto.com website. YOu can put in what you think his figures are and get rough idea of what he can claim. Then go to the CSA website and use their calculator to work out what he should be paying.
secureonline.dwp.gov.uk/csa/v2/en/calculate-maintenance.asp

he wont tell me what he is supposed to be earning.

how bloody annoying that her dc get taken into consideration.

wouldn't be an issue if he was man enough to pay for his own first.

thanks for the info though.

i'm pissed off because i know he is working more than he says he is. either that or he is getting paid less through the books and getting the rest cash.

the man should be ashamed of himself. he will be using her dc to pay me less but i bet she isn't seeing a penny of it.

the man would rob from his own granny.

makes me sick.

Are you saying that he shouldn't be allowed to have a life and the chance of more children after your relationship ended? Because if someone said that to you I think you'd be angry.

If you had more children together you would expect him to support them all. But he can't have more with anyone else, not ever and shouldn't support them all if he does?

His life has moved on, and he's having more children (ok not his own but still part of his family now) and rightly he should support them. WHy should his new partner bear the entire cost of their new relationship just because he had a child in a previous relationship which didn't work out?

I can appreciate you are angry, and if he isn't declaring all his income that is wrong. You can ask for him to be investigate if his lifestyle is beyond his suposed income and ask for a variation to any maintenace calculation as a result.

You akways have the option of earning additional money to support your children if you don't think you've got enough for the bills etc now.

Yes, the children in the NRPs household are taken into account, whether bio or step ... but then the CSA also take into account the TAX CREDITS THEY RECEIVE FOR THOSE CHILDREN in some cases too, so that's hardly fair either.

erm gily no i did not say that at all. i am glad he is in a new relationship and the dc are all getting along great, for now anyway. i just don't think it's fair that he has been paying x amount up until now, but now he realises he can get away with paying us less by using her dc as an excuse.

so you think it's ok that he is offering to pay a pittence for our dc because he has chosen to live with someone who has dc?

In that case then should we be saying that when the PWC finds a new partner then the NRP is no longer responsible for their children as there is someone else to pay for them?

Imo the mother and father of a child are responsible for that child for life and their wages should be the deciding factor for support, not any new spouses/partners income or money intended for any children whether they be children from new partners former relationships or children born into that relationship iyswim. But hey, this is the CSA, someone is gonna get screwed either way :).

The calculation is based on the child expecting the lifestyle they would of had if the parents had stayed together.

If the parents had stayed together and taken on extra children (either having their own or through foster/adotion) then the family budget, and amount available for each child, would change.

Are you working OP? If you are then you can probably claim CTC & WTC, your salary and maintenance on top. The government is supporting your children in your situation, taking into account your reduced income as a single parent. You have the option of working more hours and probably getting help with your childcare costs to do that too. Whether you choose to, or choose to remain on the lower income is up to you.

Deciding on a fair way to do things (for everyone - (both parents, new partner, new & existing children) is tough. Someone will always feel hard done by. The old way where the new partners income was used to support the existing child wasn't fair to them and certainly wasn't fair to their new relationships and stopped NRP being able to have a second family. Whereas the RP didn't loose by having more children, only gained extra benefit and money from new relationship.
Why should a complete stranger have responsibilty for your dc over and above their own children just because they got involved with a person who already had children. And why should a NRP be penalised for having more when the RP is not?

Atthe end of the day the calculation is a percentage. The more children he has the higher the percentage he pays, but yes it is shared out amongst more dc and so will be lower per child. He pays more overall though. His new partner will be losing her entitlement to benefits by entering a relationship with him and I'm sure he won't be living with her and not contributing to any bills etc.
At some point you have to accept financial responsibility for your change in circumstances and for your dc too and not rely on your ex. Noone likes having money taken away from them. But at the end of the day he could jack in his job and live off his new partner, or become a student again and you'd get nothing from him. At least he is paying and paying regularly by the sounds of it. Lots of men don't.

If you're saying that a NRPs new bio children should never be taken into account for CSA purposes or they shouldn't have more children if it means they pay slightly less for their first children, then surely PWC shouldn't have more children either? Because when they have more children, their household "pot" is spread between more children and so the children will end up having less spent on them. Or can you honestly say that when a PWC has more children, they continue spending exactly the same on the first child/ren as they were before?

That's basically what happens when you have more children and even if the PWC and NRP had stayed together they may have planned or had more children anyway.

tbh i don't fancy a debate on the rights and wrongs of the csa and having more dc. i think i should explain a bit more about this case in particular before you all think i'm some jealous bitch

in my case i have been told by the new gf that he does not contribute to her dc, she gets maintenance from her dc father. he is using them as an excuse to avoid paying what he should to me.

he is not good at paying anyway and this, alongside lying about his work circumstances means that my payment has reduced from £134 pm to £21 pm (or thereabouts, waiting on the actual decision from csa)

up until now he has been claiming jsa while working cash in hand £50 a day and while gf claimed as single parent.

i appreciate that by claiming as a couple she now loses her benefits (or tc, whatever she would of been on) but the amount of work he claims to be doing means they are entitled to hb etc.

he supplements what she has lost with what he gets paid cash in hand.

it's so bloody frustrating as i can't prove it. obv i have told the csa all this but there is nowt they can do. they say they will investigate but he isn't lying about where he works, just how much.

bloody gf took great joy in telling me all this by the way, it's not a theory.

i can see why from the op it seems like i'm just pissed that he has gone and moved in with someone else. i wouldn't want his step dc to go without just because mine came first, but he isn't supporting them. we have been seperated donkeys years and i'm expecting again with dp so i can appreciate families who genuinely have to make things stretch further with new/step dc.

i need to get back into the mind set of having £0 from him again. but thats bloody hard when he insists on flashing the cash when dc are with him