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Reception at our prep school seems a little underwhelming? Normal?

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notanotherunicorn · 21/09/2021 18:28

Dd is at a prep school in reception.

I'm just wondering if this is a normal prep school experience or whether we could get the same or better at a state school? Or a different prep? I think because it is a prep rather than state my expectations of the school are much higher.

I decided on a prep as I thought it would challenge dd more as she can already read and decode (I taught her phonics because she was ready and interested) and can do basic writing and subtraction and addition etc. She isn't a genius but she is a quick learner and bright and keen and is happy to sit, work and concentrate. She would probably enjoy being in year 1 but I'd rather she was just doing work that was stimulating for her, for which there is no reason to be out of her age group. I also thought at a prep the class would move faster as there would be more able children generally.

She has been given homework about the numbers 1 to 5. Do I really need to do this with her? She can already write and read 1 to 5. The teacher said 'she's learning how to count to 10.' Erm...what? She can count to 100 and recognise numbers like 53 etc in print form. She can count out a whole bag of sweets and tell me how many are in there. And count in 10s and count backwards from 20. She knew 1 to 10 when she was 2. She can certainly count to 20 without getting nervous or whatever. This doesn't seem particularly remarkable either, lots of children in any state school class should be able to do this already. This is a class of 15 pupils and they don't know anything about my child? Or are they just giving the same work to everyone regardless? There are areas for learning of course, she doesn't always form her letters in the 'correct way' when writing i.e starts from the wrong place although the end result is the same, sometimes gets her S back to front etc but counting was not one of those areas.

She wants to learn, not play aimlessly all day, she loves structured activity i.e sitting and playing a board game or a craft challenge. She loves imaginary play but she says she is bored and all they do is play with 'baby toys', they don't have 'real puzzles' apparantly either, she easily does 200+ pieces as I would have thought many children can at a prep school at nearly 5?

I would home educate but she likes school and I like having time to focus on my business more, although I'm not convinced it is the best thing for her learning at the moment. I don't need child care so I can't see it as just expensive child care, in which case I'd like the flexibility to take her out two days a week and have fun learning about history at national trust properties etc!

In what year group is phonics largely obsolete from the curriculum btw? I'm a bit unconvinced by modern phonics teaching, my eldest is dyslexic and it really damaged her ability to learn, we scrapped it for a different system and that help enormously. Youngest dd understands and uses phonics to sound out and recognises word patterns and sound patterns, she doesn't rely on artificial pronunciations, english is not all that phonetic. But the teacher's methods seems to be unlearning her, she is starting to doubt herself and trying to read individual sounds slowly and without blending for words she already knew by sight because 'that's what my teacher told me to do.' The way phonics is being taught seems incredibly regimented and not at all organic and responsive to the individual child's learning pattern or what they already know.

It would be alright if the school was going for a holistic learning approach or something that would stretch her in other ways, lots of forest school or hands on activities and learning through doing etc but I'm not seeing anything like that either unless playing undirected with lego duplo is stretching? She plays with classic lego at home and follows the instruction manuals, they have nothing like that at school.

Also they don't teach science until year 3? Is this similar in state schools? My dd loves science activities!

I don't see prep as some sort of status symbol and I imagine most parents choose it like I did to ensure a good standard of education, especially as the state schools in my area are poorly rated and it does seem this prep gets them to selective independant schools and grammar schools (although that has changed a little recently but that is more likely due to a few of the independants opening their own preps) therefore I assumed the school would be able to quickly work out my dd's strengths and advance her learning in lieu of me having to do it at home. At what point do they put the effort in to get them into these schools? Do they ramp it up over the rest of the year so by the end of reception the average child is working ahead of the average state school child? It seems currently she is learning nothing new at all. Or do they not make an effort until years 5 and 6? I'd rather not stick it out if that is never going to happen. If the parents are doing all the work what is the point? I would rather find another prep that can give her appropriate work or a state school and save the money.

It is still early days and parent's evening is a long way off. Should I arrange a meeting with the class teacher about the direction things will be going in for the rest of the year and the mismatch in the homework to dd's abilities? I chose the school because I wanted my daughter to build on her existing knowledge from the get go so that if we had to move for work to a selective prep area (i.e london) she would be off to a flying start with 7+ or if down the line we chose the state secondary that she would be working at a future grade A level not a C level (average expectations for the year group) when she transfered. Is it still too early days to draw any conclusions about the school? Even if it seems to be sending her backwards or doing less she was doing at home? I do feel very in the dark about what the direction is at the school and for dd in particular but felt the same at elder children's state schools so I don't think being in the dark about their learning is unusual.

Of course taking her out and home educating her just runs the risk of her needing to prove herself down the line but as it stands if I change her to another school any record going to another school will say she is learning to count from 1 - 10 and reading level 1 phonics books!! That isn't representative of her at all.

They spend some afternoon time watching T.V / cbeebies at least 3 days a week. We rarely have screen time at home unless it is minecraft (at which dd is a whizz) or something educational or a family movie at the cinema/weekend etc so I'm really not happy about this happening regularly on school time. It feels like a very expensive netflix subscription given the fees. They are watching disney movies, hardly educational unless they are discussing themes and meaning in the movie which I think is unlikely?

I do like of course that school is teaching them to line up and be independant and follow rules that are different from at home. Dd is too gentle natured not to do what she is told anyway! She is that child that is teacher's pet at school and saves all the stubborness for her parents.

I did a PGCE for secondary teaching years ago before deciding I was too much of an introvert and prefered being a SAHM and running my own business so I have some inkling of what goes on in school but at secondary level I was very involved in teaching the subject syllabus and it is very different to primary where there seems to be more of a team effort. I would like to be a fly on the wall in the classroom to get a better perspective on it all as it seems the children have surprisingly limited contact with the class teacher except for maybe about 30 minutes of the day when the teacher instructs the class on the morning 'work'. Almost all the learning is done with a teaching assistant, is this normal? Purely curious. The teaching assistant does seem to be lovely and switched on and I expect she is perfectly well qualified for the role of course but is she assessing dd during these activities because I haven't seen much evidence of it?

The one good thing is that they read 2 books a week with one to read over the weekend. The problem is again that all the books are at the same level for the whole class and extremely basic. At Dd1s state school they only read 1 book a week and they read the same book to their teacher that they read at home so this is definitely an improvement over the state experience. What is the normal practice in this respect? Is this a prep school thing and an area the school is doing something better or do some state schools do this?

Do individual learning goals come later? Do they try to get everyone up to the same standard and then move at a faster pace than in a state school? Or am I not getting what I thought I was buying, i.e a slightly more academic more 'year 1' level of individual education for dd?

With covid it was very difficult to see schools to compare as most cancelled their open events. I also think the prep school prospectus was slightly misleading. Of course if I did change her it would cause disruption so I wouldn't want to do it lightly.

I am helicopter parenting but as I said, if I wasn't paying for it (in the hopes of Dd being given ability appropriate work) or if I saw prep as a status symbol I wouldn't be as bothered perhaps.

OP posts:
MilkCereal · 21/09/2021 19:23

Wow you sound full on! So your daughter can read numbers- can she understand the 10s and 1s relationship? She can read but struggles with phonics so needs to learn the basic phonics (google letters and sounds) so she will be able to read more complex words and not flounder in year 1 which is common with early readers. Play will be about social skills- does she have friends? Can she play imaginatively with the dolls etc?
Watching cbeebies 3 times a week is not good practice at all and this would bother me.
Science is taught- knowledge and understanding of the world, so this should be part of weekly teaching.
Do you have a timetable? It should have all the foundation subjects on. Ask for a timetable if not.
Google the reception curriculum and look at end of year targets . Your daughter should have targets too.
Just be cautious that you're not pushing. You say she can read a 2 digit number- this literally means nothing in maths unless the understanding is there. Same as reading- does she understand it? You dont mention her social and personal skills? Does she mix well? Is she able to dress and undress herself and take care of her things?

By the way I teach in a state school- the fact you pay doesnt make the teacher any better or the school! If not happy move her, but it's very early in the year!

sunflowerdaisies · 21/09/2021 19:27

I think it's very early days. The only part I'd be unhappy about at the moment is the reading. The whole class won't have the same ability so would want appropriate reading books, but would give it a couple of weeks and then talk to the teacher about how easy they are and see if there is another reason they're doing it like that (ie comprehension).

My children at a state school and are read with twice a week at school individually one once guided reading in reception/yr 1. Get between 3/4 books a week.

I'd see how it goes for a few more weeks and then have a chat.

They do phonics up until end of year 2 in ability groups at my children's school.

LizzieBet14 · 21/09/2021 19:28

A good Early years teacher (state or private) will start from where the child is at and good Continuous provision will provide opportunities to learn through play - I agree with the pp who said that no play is aimless.

The first few weeks are all about the teacher getting to know the children and in a class of 15 this should be significantly easier than a standard class of 30. But please remember that Reception is far, far more than phonics and maths.

Atla · 21/09/2021 19:29

Maybe relax a bit? Poor kid is only just through the door. She has another 12 years of school to be hot-housed. At this stage surely the kids are still settling in, getting to know each other and learning through play.

I doubt a 5 year old will be worrying about being thought ignorant!

GameSetMatch · 21/09/2021 19:30

There are 15 children all at different levels, they teach the curriculum they don’t have one child to too far a head or next year they’d be bored stiff.

Most state schools teach science in reception, usually life cycle of a frog/ butterfly and growing plants and recording the changes.

It’s not even been a month yet, I’d see how things pan out. I do think you’re expecting too much from one teacher, if they sat down and did just 15mins work separately with each child that would be over four hours work, the teacher doesn’t have time for each child to be set different work.

Waveafterwaveslowlydrifting · 21/09/2021 19:38

@KleineDracheKokosnuss yes, one mum cried because she was overwhelmed that her youngest was starting school and wouldn't leave the classroom. I had to ask the head to come down and guide her out of the building. Another mum cried when her child went in without her as she realised he didn't need her to put his things away. A third cried because whilst comforting the children of those parents, I had failed to acknowledge that her son had remembered where to put his water bottle and as such I was ignoring him.

90 minutes my own son was crying as his big sister wasn't going with him (covid test booked for this morning) to breakfast club so I was comforting him, dropping him off and then making a speedy exit as I know how much harder children find it when parents hang around. So I was already a bit emotionally depleted by 7.30am.

Managing the adults has been more challenging than managing the children in my class.

Waveafterwaveslowlydrifting · 21/09/2021 19:44

OP can I also advise that you remain chirpy and positive when discussing school with your DC directly and within earshot? If you plant the seed unintentionally that you feel it is not ideal she may start to develop negative feelings about school and then you might have problems.

RandomMess · 21/09/2021 19:52

I asked if the school is selective because some are VERY selective and do their best to weed out any that appear to have SEN or not academically able and then weed out further at age 7.

I would expect some differentiation to appear soon but at the moment the focus will be on assessments and getting the class settled.

Why doesn't your DD enjoy playing with her peers?

Sittinginthesand · 21/09/2021 19:54

Gosh! OP I think you need to calm down a bit, your little girls has been at school for what, two weeks? You don’t need to panic about oxbridge yet! It’s good that they are taking things slowly, there is no rush and solid foundations are important. When parents try to teach —push— their children at home it’s inevitable that they will then think that they ‘already know this’. What did you think would happen? Also there’s a massive difference between being able to decode and understanding meaning, between counting and really getting what the numbers mean.

TeenTitan007 · 21/09/2021 20:00

If you want a fast paced academic environment in the school then do look for exclusively pre-prep schools. These have only reception, year1, year2 during which the academic focus is very high and the children are prepared for the 7+ exam so that they can move into (potentially) high-achieving selective prep schools.
Don't know where you are based but if you are in London you will definitely find a few.
If you need specific names then please DM me.

TolkiensFallow · 21/09/2021 20:11

You need to calm down a bit. It’s early days. They’re doing structure, social skills and separation from parents. They are also assessing children’s ability, so give them a chance.

lescompagnonsdeloue · 21/09/2021 20:13

You seem to think that prep school should be better and push her more. But in reality, you actually just want them to start at the point that you think she is at. You are expecting personalised education, not individualised education. The first is unreasonable and the second is not. You also seem to be totally uninterested in the social side of school for her. It's intriguing really. You are expecting quality because you are paying, but perhaps you've not chosen the best school. You've worked in education and yet your first step is not to meet with the teachers.
The way that you describe your daughter though, she sounds absolutely normal for her age, to me. I don't know, I'm certainly no expert, I only have my own DC and those around me to compare to, but it doesn't sound like she is doing anything particularly advanced, I wonder if having another child who is dyslexic has given you a distorted view of your other child?
It may be that the school is not for you. It doesn't sound very impressive and the TV thing would annoy me, you are paying for them to watch TV? Perhaps it's just a bit rubbish?

MyMummyHasGotABigBottom · 21/09/2021 20:15

My DD, nearly 5, is in P1 (Scotland, same as Reception) in an independent school. There are 20 in her class and they are all at different levels, I know them all as they were all in preschool together last year. It’s not just about the reading and maths, as many others have said. But in a fee paying school it’s often the available resources that are really different. Most of my friends have their similar aged children in local authority schools and there is just so much more available to the children at our school. They have an interactive whiteboard in her class, they have 10 iPads between 20, the tech budget is huge and from their 5th year they have an iPad each. The arts and crafts budgets are very high (they learn so so much from cutting and sticking!), they have a french mistress who is pretty much full time working between 8 classes, music teachers, swimming as standard, additional sports and as they get older so much extra curricular opportunity. The curriculum and expectations of my daughter and my friends kids is the same though. Just with different resources and surroundings. And FWIW, I find the food at the school rubbish compared to the private nursery she was at previously. Let them settle and you’ll be having a parents evening shortly I’m sure. Mine has only been back 4 weeks, and in England it’s probably only 3. It will all fall into place.

And the reason she’s telling you she loves school and she’s bored in the same breath is because she is 4 nearly 5. They are fickle little things!!

Rizzoli123 · 21/09/2021 20:38

Both of my sons are in a prep school. We pay for their education. Oldest is very bright and quick to learn.

My oldest is 6 and now in year two. In reception he could also count to 100 and beyond, recognise numbers, read at a higher level then what he should and other bits he wasn't supposed to do for his age. The teacher gave him home work. We looked at it and thought why not let's just do it and he can show us how he had done it. We did say to the teacher and she said it didn't matter its just for him to reinforce the learning. So we did it and he whizzed through it. She also gave us some resources that gave further work which gave him a challenge. Maybe speak to the teacher or find resources yourself. We were offered twinkl. They have games and worksheets.

Phonics wise we chose the school as the schools motto was well if they can't read and write how can they other work. They spend 2 lessons each morning doing English and maths.

Said child is now in year 2. He does grog, history and since as well as other subjects once a week. My youngest is now in reception and they follow a similar timetable. I don't know how it is worked as it hasn't been sent.

When he moved into year one he exceed all of the year one targets pretty quickly. The teacher saw him fly through work. As we were in lockdown she gave us access to year 2 work which was older. Maybe ask if your daughter could be given some year one work to try to see if that stretches her imagination.

I will say in his class he had 14 children. They had a teacher and a teaching assistant. I don't know the teaching ratios but in year one there was some teaching by a ta who at the school who are all qualified teachers.

They don't watch TV only if it is wet play and if its for a reason.

We are encouraged to talk about any problems to the teacher.

They use the Oxford reading schedule. They are measured on how well they and it goes up in colours. So each of the class have different books. Maybe ask if you can some of the older class books to read.

They also have termly exams to test their reading age, grammar level, Handwriting, maths and reading comprehension

If I was you with this many concerns I would suggest a meeting with the teacher or head and explain your concerns. Are your friendly with any of the other parents do they feel the same?

If you want to talk through anything I am happy to help.

Oldest is now in year 2 and youngest is in reception

Hesma · 21/09/2021 21:16

Get her name down for oxbridge…. and Mensa 🙄

Bostonbullsmumma · 21/09/2021 21:34

My DC has started R at just turned 4. He is loving school at the moment. I love hearing his stories about his new friends and what they have done and their pretend play. It's Reception- they have years ahead of them sitting at desks learning. My cousins in Scandinavia were shocked they start so young here! Let her concentrate on making friends and getting to know her teacher. Also I do agree- phonics is not for everyone- my older DC really struggles with the whole phonics concept so I agree with you there!!

JellyMouldJnr · 21/09/2021 23:52

Definitely give it time. It's only been a few weeks. I wouldn't be happy with watching tv three times a week though!

SirGawain · 22/09/2021 08:50

This must be the longest stealth boast in Mumsnet history.

languagelover96 · 22/09/2021 09:15

I do not see the issue, it takes time to settle in at school.

wolfstarling · 22/09/2021 09:45

I am still coming to terms with your post OP.

Your DD will feel stifled if you carry on like this throughout her school life and most probably end up with mental health issues.

Name12341 · 22/09/2021 09:56

I would focus more on her social skills, it sounds like even in a year 1 class she would already know a lot of the topics.
View reception as her socialising and learning to work alongside others rather than prioritising how quickly she can memorise large amounts of information.

DeepaBeesKit · 22/09/2021 10:40

OP it's the same in state schools.

The assumption and targets of the EYFS assume parents do nothing at all and children arrive at school not knowing letter sounds, numbers etc. Its an approach which does not challenge the more academically able/ready. And before someone comes in and says those kids need to work on social stuff etc too.... why assume they somehow have a spiky profile? My DC has good social skills, shares & plays well with others, toilets/dresses (including buttons) and eats entirely independently, has good gross and fine motor skills. This is not unusual for a child who's old in year, with parents who are engaged and supportive in encouraging these skills and behaviour at home.

My DC is very like yours OP and we are having the same experience. I think reception will be a long year.

DeepaBeesKit · 22/09/2021 10:41

Ps
You dont have to sit at a desk to learn!

I would settle for the school even differentiating a little. My DC does not need to be send home with books with two cvc words per page when they are able to read much more interesting stories.

User5827372728 · 22/09/2021 15:24

@DeepaBeesKit

That’s why I don’t do any learning at home with my kids pre reception… we just play, enjoy the outdoors; playgrounds, farms, wildlife, making things. Otherwise reception and year 1 would be boring as hell

HSHorror · 02/10/2021 20:52

It would be great if schools allowed parents to select the reading books as if from a library. As it is silly that parents are the ones doing the reading but stuck waiting till kids are moved to the right level.

I think your school sounds similar to state. But it depends on the school - some state schools push kids from the start with lots of books and harder maths if they can do it.
I wpuld bear in mind your child is at y1 level (at least) because they are almost as old as y1 kids.
There really isnt a rush though as maybe your school will give lots of books a week. At say 7+ books a week you could move up a band every few weeks.
I do think there is an element of 'if i dont notice what a child can do i dont need to differentiate.'

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