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Richmond Borough Schools Chat 9

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ChrisSquire2 · 26/09/2016 11:07

This thread follows on from Richmond Borough Schools Chat 8 starting February 2016.
News and opinions on all the changes to schools in Richmond borough.

See also:

Richmond Borough Schools Chat 7 starting May 2015

Links to earlier threads (1-6), starting in February 2011

OP posts:
BEANBAG765 · 28/09/2022 08:40

This is a frustration message.
My kids secondary lost so many excellent teachers, who were offered higher pay at private schools.
What are the schools supposed to do? They have budgets and are so underfunded!
PE teachers covering for science, math and Spanish?!?
How do you compete with that? People with money buying their brains!
Sick and tired of this system!

Coronateachingagain · 28/09/2022 14:59

deadlinedaisy · 08/07/2022 11:06

Really interesting report here about school place planning in the borough. It says there are black holes forming in Barnes, Kew, north Richmond and south Hampton cabnet.richmond.gov.uk/documents/s97824/Item%205%20LBRuT%20Schools%20Forum%20report%20re%20School%20Place%20Planning%20June%202022.pdf

This is an oil tanker collision waiting to happen. It will get works with the Kew Retail park development, and it's 1200 new units! Imagine the shock to the school system locally.

FromIndia · 10/11/2022 22:50

Hi! We’ve been offered an In Year place in Year 9 for DD at RPA and Christ’s. DD is a cellist and can be quite introverted / have difficulty making friends. Ok academics - does enough to not cause any trouble but doesn’t push herself - and would be overwhelmed in a large school. Anyone has any views of which to choose between the two?? Need a strong music GCSE option. We are wait listed at OPS, Grey Court and SRRCC and slim chance given that it’s in year so have to accept one of RPA or Christ’s at least for now.

Mamajeet112 · 11/11/2022 08:42

I would personally choose Christ's. My twins who are in Year 9 have friends at Christ's and RPA, and the feedback for Christ's has been more positive. Two children we know had a negative experience at RPA and moved to another school, one of my children's friends is still there and likes RPA. Everyone we know at Christ's seems to be enjoying the school and has formed strong friendships. Christ's is smaller than the other schools in the borough and my friend's daughter who is at Christ's (also Year 9) does a lot of music and is happy with the provision there.

FormerNorthener · 11/11/2022 09:44

@FromIndia - I have also heard good things about Christs, so would definitely take that place. I haven’t heard much about extra-curricula music at OPS so if there’s provision for that at Christs then that may be a better option anyway.

@BEANBAG765 - are you able to say which school? Is this is a borough-wide problem?

FromIndia · 11/11/2022 09:49

Thank you. I’m so glad to hear this. It’s so hard to decide without having any insight. Christ’s also nearer to us than RPA which would involve a long bus ride for my daughter.

FromIndia · 11/11/2022 09:52

@FormerNorthener thanks. I don’t know who to ask. Everyone seems to be so keen on OPS or grey court or Waldegrave that it’s hard to get a sense of any of the other schools

Lovetobemummy · 11/11/2022 12:05

@FromIndia definitely Christ. My daughter was at RPA for more than 2 years and was quite unhappy. She is very smart and ambitious and just couldn't thrive there. The school is trying to improve but it takes time. More than it should in my personal opinion. She was on the waiting lists for OP and GC for ages, eventually she was offered a place at GC and she's very happy there. Now, I also have another child in OP. Both schools are great, and extremely popular, so no wonder everybody is keen on them. As @Mamajeet112 said, Christ is a smaller school but apparently very friendly and good academically. I also have friends there and they are happy with the school. Remember, that in Y11 you need to apply (again) for a 6th Form, and as a internal student you have priority. So choosing Christ school now will also secure a place for your child in the 6th form there. In RPA 6th form is very small what means fewer kids/fewer friends and smaller choice of A-level subjects. If you want more info please feel free to message me directly! Good luck!

FromIndia · 11/11/2022 12:44

@Lovetobemummy good point on 6th form! I had not considered that at all.

I am leaning towards Christ. It’s near to me, has much better results than RPA and more music students. I was concerned about the C of E because we are not Christian but then both DC have always been in a Church school albeit not in England and have been happy so I should not focus on that.

Lovetobemummy · 11/11/2022 13:16

@FromIndia It is CofE school but it's not religious school like it usually is in other countries. They have around 50% of student from other backgrounds - different faith or atheist. I sent you more info in the private message!

BobDear · 11/11/2022 13:52

I have a DS at RPA (year 11) and we are really happy. Things have improved beyond recognition. However, in your shoes @FromIndia I would choose Christs. Not because I think it's better - I genuinely don't as both schools have different strengths and struggles - I know a lot of children and parents from both. But it IS smaller and perhaps a bit gentler (although for anyone who is interested the pastoral care at RPA have exceeded our way experience of both Waldegrave and Putney High - both of which we have experience with).

FromIndia · 11/11/2022 13:56

@BobDear thank you for writing. As it’s an in year application we don’t have the opportunity to tour the school before we accept. It’s a big transition for DD because she’s moving from over seas so just want a gentle landing for her in UK.

MarvelAnn · 11/11/2022 13:57

I can't speak to RPA but my (quite sensitive) Y8 son is v happy at Christ's despite not being sporty. Which is saying a lot, given the emphasis the school puts on sport. He's had good peripatetic music instruction, too. I was prepared to be underwhelmed by Christ's but it's really exceeded our expectations. DS is doing better academically than we expected and he just really likes it there. In case that's at all helpful!

FromIndia · 11/11/2022 14:13

@MarvelAnn Thank you! I’m super excited to hear that. DD is not sporty. She’s a musical child (plays the cello) so I was worried about the school which focuses on sport. Pleased to hear about the music instruction. I’m feeling better hearing all this because it’s so hard to decide without seeing the schools.

FromIndia · 24/11/2022 10:51

My daughter has been offered in-year place at both Christ’s and Waldegeave. She’s musical but not very academic and will be a new girl in Year 9. Thoughts?

FormerNorthener · 01/03/2023 17:34

Offers list 1st March 2023 in case anyone needs it . .

Richmond Borough Schools Chat 9
BobDear · 01/03/2023 19:46

Thanks @FormerNorthener Interesting reading as always...

RBdoctor40 · 09/03/2023 11:30

Wow! OP catchment has shrunk so far. My DS got in five years ago and we live almost 2k from the school. i get it though - it is a fantastic school

Coronateachingagain · 09/03/2023 12:20

Thank you @FormerNorthener for the posting. Does anyone know where we can find similar information for the Brentford/Chiswick/Acton schools?

WaitroseIsMySpiritualHome · 17/03/2023 19:14

Can someone tell me if there is a Richmond Sixth Form board? For some reason my 'local' function isn't working...

graciousgoodness · 18/03/2023 07:54

WaitroseIsMySpiritualHome · 17/03/2023 19:14

Can someone tell me if there is a Richmond Sixth Form board? For some reason my 'local' function isn't working...

I don't know of one. The local boards behave strangely since mumsnet re-platformed last year. Try the Seconday Education board.

EmeraldsAreAGirlsBestFriend · 06/04/2023 14:01

Can anyone please share their experiences of going though the appeals process of Secondary Schools in LBRuT? Am desperately coddling together supporting docs and references from professionals. Would be very grateful for any help at all.

Westend · 07/04/2023 12:32

Most appeals are unsuccessful as:

  • they do not demonstrate maladministration of the admission process. This is difficult and almost unprovable as the Local Authority takes care of all this.
  • appellants do not provide compelling reasons why the child can only attend the school they are appealing for.
  • appellants use reasons such as, all my child’s friends are going to X school or X school is close to my place of work - these are weak arguments and mostly do not lead to a successful outcome
  • appellants who have a child with special educational needs (SEND) state this as a reason for choosing X school. Students with a diagnosis of SEND, and most do not or do not show any evidence of this, believe they should be prioritised for a place. Again, this is not a robust argument and factual incorrect
  • All schools are required to provide support for students with SEND, so you would need to effectively justify why X school is the only school can provide an education for your children. Bear in mind, children with EHC Plans follow a completely different application process - if this is the case, your child’s case officer will be working with you to agree on what school will be named in their EHCP
  • often the appellant is appealing for a school that is further away than the closest school to their home, and will, by attending school x, pass several schools closer to their home address. Then to confuse matters and weaken the appellant’s argument at the same time, they say the child has a medical condition which requires them to attend X school. I am sure from the scenario you can see that this is not a robust argument. In order to for children to be happy at school, making successful social connections is paramount - as such, a student is better suited to going to their local school and particularly when they have a managed medical or mental health condition eg diabetes, bladder weakness, anxiety, etc
  • Medical conditions is another reason used, and again these appeals are usually unsuccessful. By Law, all schools must support students to manage their medical conditions whilst at school. All schools have a policy on their website. It would be impossible to demonstrate with evidence that a school your child is not a pupil at has weaker medical support for students than another
  • Using a school’s examination results or OfSTED rating - again in my experience these are not robust arguments
  • Poor supporting documents eg, the name of the school you are appealing for is not included in the special/social circumstances statement or on any of the supporting documentation and more often than not, includes the name of another school the parent has been to see a professional to request supporting docs for (not school x)
  • the student has been offered a school and appellants rarely robustly set out the potential impact not attending school X will have on their child, and have limited evidence to corroborate the statement made by the parent

Consider taking a look on school websites to see how many appeals they heard and were successful. You’ll see that appellants rarely win (upheld) as they do not demonstrate compelling and robust reasons why their child can only attend the school they want (appealing for).

On a philosophical note, School Admissions is a completely parent driven process. The system is designed to give parents choice. Most schools will happily have as much children as want to come to the school. However, resources, size etc. mean this isn’t possible. In addition, appeals create significant workload for Headteachers and school leaders, most of whom want children to come to the school but instead are forced to spend time arguing why the child cannot come to the school. Another bonkers waste of time for schools, who would much rather spend their time on teaching, learning and student wellbeing. Apologies for the rant.
… The oversubscription criteria of the admission policy is designed to give those who most need it the opportunity to be bumped up the queue irrespective of distance from the school. If parents all supported their local schools, there would be enough places and all schools would be operating more or less on a level playing field.

One last thing you can try is making a request for special/social circumstances. Guidance on making these applications under this criteria is in the school’s admission policy and you’ll find more guidance on the local authority Admission webpages.
This in affect bypasses the appeals process and the school make the decision on whether the student meets the criteria for entry to the school under the special/social circumstances criteria. The school can still refuse and you have the right to appeal. If they refuse, you can appeal and this is heard by an independent panel. The school will still apply the tests set out above under “why most appeals are unsuccessful”.

I hope this post isn’t too disappointing but gives you some hooks to guide your application.

Good luck with it!

EmeraldsAreAGirlsBestFriend · 07/04/2023 15:43

Thanks @Westend . Really appreciate your very thorough reply. I have already looked at figures for appeals heard and success rates. I realise that it is unlikely to result in a positive outcome, but of is worth a shot, and with your help we might do a better job!

Our major issue is trying to avoid our child having to deal with a severe bullying issue. We had moved them from one primary to another because of this. We are talking full-on, physical beatings up of a 6 year old by a peer on multiple occasions. This was just the tip of the iceberg as there was unpleasant verbal and social manipulation going on too. It took a long time to undo the detrimental effect on our child's well being. At the time we did not even realise how bad it was. We now have a happy, well adjusted child. I don't know if you are able to comment on that specific aspect of things?

I can see that the appeals process absorbs a lot of time for teachers, head teachers, authorities etc. The teaching profession is generally screwed. I actually can't believe how much time and resources are clearly spent on admissions. I also cannot quite believe just how bizarre the allocation of schools in London can be, especially once religious schools are thrown into the equation!

Bibesia · 08/04/2023 00:37

You'll need to have good evidence about the bullying. Would the first school confirm that it happened? Do you have medical evidence? It could be useful to have a medical report detailing how your child's mental health would be affected if he were placed in a school where he is likely to encounter the former bullies.