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Richmond Borough Schools Chat 8

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muminlondon2 · 28/02/2016 20:25

This thread follows on from Richmond Borough Schools Chat 7.

News and opinions on all the changes to schools in Richmond borough.

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FrustratedofTW1 · 11/11/2016 18:17

St Richard Reynold's admissions arrangements were taken to the adjudicator as a result of their reluctance to commit to meet their promise that those pupils taking the 10 Primary Places where the oversubscription criteria are based on distance and not faith would have priority over all but looked after children rather than Catholic children being given priority. As a result it looks as though not just their admissions arrangements but the basis of the Priest's recommendation that a child is from a "practising Catholic family" came under scrutiny and the resulting recommendations will have national implications for Catholic Schools. I find it bizarre given the whole point of the admissions code is to prevent unfairness that the Catholic Education Service went to such lengths to preserve the right of priests to decree whether a family is a practising Catholic family rather than have to abide by any objective criteria. www.gov.uk/government/publications/st-richard-reynolds-catholic-college

Lottie How are Waldegrave going to keep up that system when AS exams are standalone and A2s two year courses? It will come in first for the most popular subjects. I thought some were starting in 2017 but then I thankfully no longer need to be up to date with all this!

LProsser · 11/11/2016 20:56

I don't really understand it Frustrated . The other schools all said that because the A-levels are changing and are harder it's best only to do three.
I gather that the only subjects not offering AS at Waldegrave next year are geography and history

I got the impression that the content of the AS is covered in the first year of A levels so it's still possible to take the AS exams but I am pretty clueless.

Jellytoto · 11/11/2016 23:24

Frustratedoftw1 I didn't really follow all of that judgement but it seems to be saying St Richsrd Reynolds need to change their 2017 policy within 2 months. All the applications are in now though so isn't that going to be a bit chaotic?

sheilafisher · 12/11/2016 00:44

Some exam boards are offering courses which can be linear - AS is stand alone, but also covers first year of A2. Very similar to the Highers and Advanced Highers in Scotland.

FrustratedofTW1 · 12/11/2016 11:03

Lottie I just had a quick look at a few private school websites and all so far seem to be focusing on the linear exams for those subjects that now have the new specifications, with pupils being able to drop a fourth subject at the end of Lower Sixth with that fact and the results of any internal exams being highlighted in their UCAS reference. From what I can see quite a few subjects became linear in 2015, others followed in 2016 and yet more including significantly Maths and Further Maths followed in 2017, meaning most subjects will be linear for those entering sixth form in 2017. The most informative on the issue are here.

issuu.com/tk32/docs/a_level_choices__web_
www.lehs.org.uk/academic-programme/94.html

The Waldegrave arrangements sound to be the worst of both worlds since as the City booklet highlights the advantage of the linear exams is that the summer term of Lower sixth returns to being a teaching term (some schools, Latymer and Oratory to my knowledge had already stopped as long ago as 2012 sitting AS modules at the end of Lower Sixth and were sitting all modules, both AS and A2 at the end of Sixth Form for exactly that reason) and their pupils will presumably still be examined on the whole linear syllabus at the end of Sixth Form, since that was one of the guiding principles of these changes, and one which Gove asserted in the face of what universities wanted. As a parent I would be unhappy that so much content is examined at the end of Upper Sixth with so much riding on it but at least it would mean that they get the space to focus on their subjects in a wider sense in Lower Sixth.

It must also unnecessarily constrain their choice of exam boards? When we were looking the choice of exam boards and the different curriculum for subjects was quite a big factor.

Good luck with your continued searches

Jellytoto The School do now make it explicit on the website that they intend that children who have one of the 10 distance places will get priority after looked after children for entry to the senior school. It does sound as if the ruling on the certificate of Catholic Practise two days after the deadline for secondary applications could cause problems, and not just for St RR. Presumably parents without a certificate of Catholic Practise denied places at Catholic Schools as a result, could now appeal on the basis that possession of the CCP has been ruled not a fair and objective measure of being a practising Catholic? Although as I understood it locally Priests were being quite lenient in giving them out. Families who would not be regarded as sufficiently Catholic for Primaries like St James's (not having baptised their children by six months for example, a requirement not specified by St RR) have been getting references. There is no mention of the ruling on the St RR website but I suspect the Catholic Education Service will be busy trying to find a way around the ruling.

MrsSalvoMontalbano · 12/11/2016 16:46

As well as the benefit of the summer term being a teaching and learning term instead of revision and exams, the linear model means more flexibility in the teaching of the different modules, and staffing can be more efficient.

ChrisSquire2 · 20/11/2016 17:12

The Guardian has (Nov 20): Court battle looms over priests’ right to pick pupils for Catholic schools:

The Catholic church is taking the government’s schools admissions watchdog to the high court to protect the rights of priests to determine whether pupils are eligible for a place on the basis of their faith.

The schools adjudicator ruled earlier this month that a new policy across all Catholic schools under which priests certified on a pupil-by-pupil basis whether they were from a “practising [Catholic] family” was unfair.

The ruling followed a complaint from a parent hoping to secure a place at the St Richard Reynolds Catholic college, in Twickenham, west London. The parent, and the local council, complained that “the arrangements do not define what form or frequency of religious practice is required for a priest to do this”.

33george · 25/11/2016 10:26

Turing House have just re-opened their consultation on their admissions policy for 2018 intake - it's on their website and is asking about the 20% / 80% splits from catchment point versus permanent site. Makes it clear though that there is still no guarantee that permanent site is the Whitton one.

muminlondon2 · 25/11/2016 15:01

Waldegrave has been named according to the Times Parent Power award as top comp of the year including its sixth form.

www.standard.co.uk/news/education/two-london-state-schools-are-named-as-the-best-in-the-country-a3404976.html

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ChrisSquire2 · 26/11/2016 11:31

RTT Online has: Waldegrave School named best state secondary school in the country:

Waldegrave School in Twickenham is the best state secondary school in the country, according to the Sunday Times. The school was ranked best in the country following very strong performance in their first year of A-level results. The newspaper will reveal the academy has taken the top prize in this Sunday’s edition.

In 2016, 85 per cent of pupil scored A - C in their GCSE exams, while 75 percent of pupils scored A - B at their A-levels. The school, which has consistently ranked in the guide’s top ten, despite previously not having a sixth form, also sent five students to either Oxford or Cambridge this year . .

WillsJo22 · 27/11/2016 20:33

I'm new to posting here. We moved recently and we're looking at infant schools in the Twickenham area.

I wonder if anyone on this forum would be able to help us with advice or recommendations. We live close to Hospital Bridge Road in Whitton. Heard that Nelson School was inspected but can't find the report online. Can you help??? Smile

MrsSalvoMontalbano · 28/11/2016 06:09

The arcticles on Waldegrave all refer to it as a comprehensive. There is no mention anywhere that it is all girls and with an very leafy catchment.

sheilafisher · 28/11/2016 10:53

But it is comprehensive.

tw11 · 28/11/2016 11:22

This is the link for the old reports reports.ofsted.gov.uk/inspection-reports/find-inspection-report/provider/ELS/102894

If it was inspected in October, the new report should be up on the Ofsted website before Christmas...

muminlondon2 · 29/11/2016 07:51

Waldegrave is a comprehensive. There is no selection by ability whatsoever, unlike the Herts 'comprehensives'. The top school in the Sunday Times 'comprehensive' results tables is actually Cardinal Vaughan - apart from the religious aspect, isn't there a music test?

Leafy, yes - compared to other areas in London or the country (north of Herts) - but not so much compared to other areas of the borough. No more leafy than Teddington, Orleans Park or Turing House (from its admissions point). Leafy East Sheen hasn't yet greened the results at RPA. Leafy Richmond Hill must help Waldegrave, but also helps Grey Court. We're all leafy here.

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LProsser · 29/11/2016 16:07

In relation to Waldegrave selecting I agree that they don't select for Year 7 but I think they are definitely selecting for the Sixth Form - see my remarks of 11th November.

Incidentally thanks for the advice on A-levels FrustratedofTW1

LProsser · 29/11/2016 16:09

I think Turing House are right to keep their admissions as they are until they know exactly where and when they are moving. If they do end up in Heathfield/Whitton it appears that they will be moving from an area where there is a shortage of school places (although not such a shortage as was predicted a few years ago) to an area with no shortage.

ChrisSquire2 · 04/12/2016 14:42

The Richmond Guardian has Primary and Nursery School could turn into academy Richmond primary school could turn into academy:

Grainne Cuffe writes: The future of a Richmond primary school is uncertain as proposals to turn it into an academy are put forward . . The governing body of the schoo (say) that (this) would allow the sharing of resources and give the school complete control of its land, buildings, admissions, and hiring of staff. It would also receive its funding directly from the DfE and not be obliged to follow the National Curriculum.

Opposition spokesperson for education Cllr Penny Frost said she is “not particularly in favour” of turning primary schools into academies and that there are other models which might be more suited to them. She said: “They run the risk of getting swallowed up. Federation is a good model for primaries.”

. . One of the main issues some parents and staff have with the current situation is that the only choice for improving the school, which has been dropping in student numbers and thereby losing funds, is an academy. Love Darell, . . formed in November 2016 in response to the proposal, said: “(we) hope that the governing body will pause the consultation, withdraw from the ‘academy pipeline’ and present more than one option for the future of the school.”

. . The consultation period on Darell . . runs to January 9.

AbsintheAndChips · 04/12/2016 21:56

Actually, that article is quite inaccurate. I have a child at Darell. It is nothing to do with dropping pupil numbers at the school. The school is currently educating many more children than it has previously done as we were expanded to two form entry some years ago in response to a demand for places in the local area (parents were not particularly in favour but it seems we don't count much in these consultations). Most classes are full or near to full. Some are above capacity. We do suffer from a local perception that we don't do well in results. In fact, Darell's percentages of pupils making expected progress or above in many recent years are better than more popular schools such as Marshgate or Queen's. And the percentage of children getting level 5+ before levels were removed compared extremely well to other local schools (higher than Marshgate, for instance) especially considering that Darell has a much higher proportion of SEN and FSM compared to most of the others. Darell does a great job of tailoring education to the individual needs of the children it is serving.

The problem with the funding is here and is a direct result of the changes to school funding being brought in by the current government (this is going to impact all schools, not just Darell):

www.schoolcuts.org.uk/#/schools?chosenSchool=3182004

If you look at other local schools, they stand to lose a lot less funding than we do per child. This is because there is a clear difference in the demographic at Darell compared to some other local schools. For instance, Darell is likely to lose £456 per pupil compared to, for instance, Marshgate losing £147 per pupil or £143 for Sheen Mount. Children who are already disadvantaged are being shortchanged. This is particularly problematic given that Darell is educating a cohort of children who deserve education as much as any other, but many of whose parents tend not to have the spare cash to give to fundraising efforts. I am quite sure that the funding gap at other schools with more privileged cohorts will have the funding gap filled by parents who are either paying for tutoring or donating directly to the school. £150 a year is less than £3 a week. Easily affordable for children whose parents are well off. Darell's children will need £10 a week from all parents including the large number who are on minimum wage. We all know that the demographic is different at Darell compared to Queen's or Marshgate or Vineyard.

As a consequence of this, the governing body at Darell are running full tilt at academisation in an attempt to have a plan in place before the funding gap hits. I am not sure how this will help. We won't get any more money.

In addition we have been presented with this academy plan as a more or less fait accompli. There are plenty of parents who think this is a terrible idea.

Anyway, the article, while welcome as a way to raise knowledge of what's happening, is really seriously flawed.

DDqueen40 · 04/12/2016 22:44

I think that the last comment is completely spot on. Darrell is doing a fantastic job for children whose parents are not able to boost funding for the school or pay for tutoring for their child which ultimately makes a school like Queen's perform better in league tables. It does not reflect anything except how affluent the parents are. Unfortunately the gap continues to grow as parents at queen's for example have funded an amazing new refurbishment of their school - something a school with less well off parents can only dream of.

Intagli0 · 04/12/2016 22:48

AbsintheAndChips, this is so interesting. It completely conveys what makes Darell unique (and what is threatened if the school has to serve the needs of an academy rather than local interests).

I guess I am reassured by the press being interested in our so-called "consultation", even if the first piece hasn't got everything right. And I think that it's important to keep a public conversation going, so that it's not a back-room arrangement.

The journalist gives her details on Twitter as "[email protected] 02087226310 / 07702810034" -- would you consider sending her these thoughts (or even a link to this post)? I think it can only be a good thing if people keep talking about Darell and the consultation.

And, to be honest, I would love to see something in the local press about how Darell is happy to be the kind of local, truly inclusive school that it is. This is a big deal and it should be celebrated!

Just a thought. Thanks again for such a detailed post.

AbsintheAndChips · 04/12/2016 23:22

Hi Intagli0, I suspect we know each other. I am the other L from the group that was disbanded after some dissatisfaction. Yes, would be happy to send my thoughts on if you think it would be helpful.

Our raw results often look bad compared to other schools. Our results when you take demographics into account are genuinely wonderful. And the lovely thing about Darell is that all children leave that school with confidence in their own strengths, even the children who have few strengths to play with and many problems to battle against. It's sad that we seem to be being forced into playing the game that everyone else is playing instead of carrying on doing the best for all our children.

muminlondon2 · 05/12/2016 13:11

Just noticed that Christ's has been inspected recently - still good, including its sixth form.

reports.ofsted.gov.uk/inspection-reports/find-inspection-report/provider/ELS/102929

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MrsSalvoMontalbano · 05/12/2016 16:55

For instance, Darell is likely to lose £456 per pupil compared to, for instance, Marshgate losing £147 per pupil or £143 for Sheen Mount
Why is that? What is the rationale?
Also, where do these figures come form, are they official gvt figures?

FrustratedofTW1 · 05/12/2016 20:16

Darrelparents Have you spoken to parents /Governors of the Barnes Primaries who were under pressure to enter a MAT with RPA but have opted instead for Federation. The plan organically came from Barnes Primary and East Sheen Primary parents but there was little meat on their plans for governance. The other primaries were not consulted until the Council started to lobby them quite aggressively, threatening them with funding gaps, especially in those schools with more mixed demographics socially. They thought that there was a substantial self interest on behalf of Achieving for Children behind the lobbying rather than wanting the best for the schools. They have opted to focus on sharing best practise and achieving economies of scale through a looser federation of schools. I obviously don't know chapter and verse, It may well be worth talking to them?