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Richmond Borough Schools Chat 8

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muminlondon2 · 28/02/2016 20:25

This thread follows on from Richmond Borough Schools Chat 7.

News and opinions on all the changes to schools in Richmond borough.

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muminlondon2 · 09/04/2016 11:00

East Sheen County Primary School.

That's sweet. I went to a county primary school 40 years ago. I doubt if Nicky Morgan ever went to a state school at all - do we know?

Apparently (Wikipedia) the 'county schools' date back to the 1902 Education Act, although in 1998 they were renamed 'community schools'. By 2008, this accounted for 61% of the schools in the country.

A tradition of 114 years of democratically run non-denominational schools, swept away by a minister with a background in mergers and acquisitions.

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FrustratedofTW1 · 09/04/2016 11:55

whittonmum It would be wise to be sceptical about what politicians say in the run up to an election. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/davehillblog/2016/mar/13/london-mayor-race-why-zac-goldsmith-claims-the-green-belt-is-in-danger?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other The principal that the strategy to ease pressure on school places can override any strategy on not developing MOL is firmly established. For the London Plan in action in relation to the expansion of The Russell School see Para 41 here www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/PAWS/media_id_272890/the_russell_school_report.pdf I would be very surprised if either candidate was going to risk the school place strategy and the wrath of a lot of desperate parents throughout London. Developers are a much safer target

WhittonMum1 · 09/04/2016 18:17

FrustratedofTW1

I think their policy was not that building should be stopped altogether but that alternative sites should be built on or developed rather than green belt, MOL or other protected green spaces in and around London.

But you are right that what politicians promise pre-election isn't always what is delivered once in office.

FrustratedofTW1 Do you honestly think that it is possible that planning permission would be easy to obtain given that there is such strong local opposition from residents, Heathfield and Whitton councillors and Tania Mathias? Even if possible, the planning process could be a very long drawn-out affair. The negotiations with Hounslow Council on the sale have already gone on for over a year and there's still no guarantees that the purchase by the EFA will be successful.

There may be a wrath of desperate parents but if anything from what I've read from the change.org petition responses the Teddington parents are upset that the site could not be found nearer to their homes. Fair enough really, no-one wants their only available secondary school choice and local community secondary school to be commuting distance away from where they live.

LProsser · 09/04/2016 18:40

It seems to have been a very drawn out negotiation and I can't see why London mayoral elections would have delayed it because Mayor only has a say at a later stage of the planning process and the application hasn't even been submitted yet. There must be a problem with negotiating the purchase with LB Hounslow. If Hounslow needed the land for burials when it bought it I can't see why that would have changed with increasing population and a large number of citizens requiring to be buried rather than cremated. This has led to LB Richmond serving an eviction notice on Teddington allotment holders adjacent to the cemetery in Shacklegate Lane. Burial space is very hard to come by.

Does anyone know what happened to the fundraising effort to hire a planning barrister to support residents in Whitton opposed to building on MOL? It seemed to fizzle out rather along with the Whitton Against Turing House FB page. It was run by someone called John Turner.

muminlondon2 · 09/04/2016 23:34

Well, it's the judicial review that might delay things till after the mayoral elections with different national and local groups taking an interest like CPRE and the Green Party. If it's the kind of case that sets a precedent, maybe Hounslow has to wait for this this to be resolved first before agreeing any other deal. And I think Sadiq Khan would have a different attitude from Boris Johnson on free schools (especially religious ones).

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FrustratedofTW1 · 10/04/2016 07:59

Do you honestly think that it is possible that planning permission would be easy to obtain given that there is such strong local opposition from residents, Heathfield and Whitton councillors and Tania Mathias? Even if possible, the planning process could be a very long drawn-out affair. The negotiations with Hounslow Council on the sale have already gone on for over a year and there's still no guarantees that the purchase by the EFA will be successful.

Whittonmum I would turn that round and say why wouldn't the planning permission be forthcoming if the political will is there? The Council have shown themselves willing to fly in the face of more substantial local opposition. The Conservatives have a majority on the Planning Committee and can pretty much vote through what they wish as they did with the Solum development, St RR etc. in the face of powerful local opposition (including the then local MP) . It is the power underlying their steamroller approach to the proposed Riverside development as well. When local opposition materialised against the Twickenham Green GEMS school planning application they simply withdrew the application and exploited the right granted to Free Schools to build it anyway and apply for planning permission retrospectively. Local residents have no right of appeal in the Planning process, whilst those applying for permission have. In fact the basis of a lot of planning decisions is that were it to go to appeal the Inspector would, given the planning framework, overturn a refusal, which would probably be the case here given the legislative and strategic framework. Of course residents can take it to Judicial Review but there have been two of those already, and based on those experiences, and the legislative and strategic framework around Free Schools and school place provision the EFA, Dof E and Council would expect to have a powerful and winnable case.

The issue is where the political will lies. On the one hand Tania Mattias and the Councillors came out strongly in support of residents at a time when they were contesting a parliamentary seat. Not surprising, all sorts of other tactics were employed across the seat eg money suddenly materialising for the St RR refurbishment from a fund intended for existing schools, to mobilise every last ounce of support for Tania Mattias and overturn the seat.

On the other hand the school has to be sited somewhere and they would not have announced the Whitton site if they hadn't considered it the most politically expedient. There is no site in Fulwell, so to keep trotting the argument out that the school should be in Fulwell is frankly NIMBY which gets you nowhere in influencing the Planning process. The Council will be under political pressure from above to deliver a site, especially given they gave one site to the Catholic Church, scuppered the negotiations on another and have taken another site for their own free school project (in theory the Free school first approved i.e Turing has priority for any site, though obviously in the case of the Egerton Road site that would not be sensible in terms of the overall strategic aims for Richmond College) . In any case wherever the school is sited they will have to weather opposition from local residents. If I had to bet on any outcome being a front runner at the moment I would guess it would be a face saving announcement that they have offered up the Uxbridge Road site but if for whatever reason it has to be the Whitton site I am sure they could and would push planning permission through.

muminlondon2 · 10/04/2016 09:50

At the moment it is not Richmond holding anything up, it's Hounslow selling the land. The current school admission policy provides no benefit to pupils in Hounslow so agreeing a sale would not be a priority for them before they know in principle how the other judicial review will turn out. Hounslow has to apply for lifting of MOL designation first, doesn't it? Unless it's the EFA? Either way, neither can make the final decision so they shouldn't be buying/selling land before it's clear - that's what the judicial review application is contesting. Then there's a separate process for Richmond to approve actually building.

Whenever Richmond council has had to back down on a planning issue, groups like CPRE and the Green Party have been involved like in Osterley. As for the Uxbridge Road site, as whittonmum says, it's also MOL, sited close to two existing schools the EFA has just approved new trust arrangements for (and which would be undermined by unforeseen changes of plan: the trust is set up but Waldegrave/Teddington won't be part of it immediately). And as an extra complication it is under a long lease to a company. It wouldn't exactly be a fallback option if it's not easier/quicker for the EFA to deliver.

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FrustratedofTW1 · 10/04/2016 11:04

mum There is no ideal site for the school that will be easily delivered and not close to existing schools which are currently undersubscribed. Indeed the same applies across London and in many other parts of the country which is why there are so many provisions in the legislative framework, and the London Plan, to ease up the planning constraints on sites like these, and indeed minimise the power local residents have to challenge proposed school developments. The EFAs priority will be to deliver a school site for Turing and will make whatever compromises are necessary to achieve that end.

If any problems with the Hounslow sale can't be overcome or it is judged politically expedient then the Uxbridge Road site might well be a better possibility. The land is currently neglected scrubland and not much valued as it is, by anyone. I am sure David Lloyd would be happy to facilitate it becoming something of use to the community rather than a bit of an eyesore.

However of course we don't actually know anything beyond what has been officially announced and can only speculate on why it appears to be taking a long time to announce the next stage.

ChrisSquire2 · 10/04/2016 11:36

RTT Online also has the East Sheen story: 'Huge pressure' on school places set to be alleviated as primary school expansion gets green light.

auntieC75 · 10/04/2016 11:43

Interesting article on Page 4 of today's Sunday Times about Free Schools

WhittonMum1 · 10/04/2016 14:50

However of course we don't actually know anything beyond what has been officially announced and can only speculate on why it appears to be taking a long time to announce the next stage

You are right, we don't really know anything except that a sale has not yet been agreed with Hounslow Council.

It is possible that the sale has fallen through already and that nothing is being announced until another alternative is on the cards so as not to alarm parents.

WhittonMum1 · 10/04/2016 14:54

Auntie C75

Is it this headline that you refer to? 'Saudi oil tycoon runs free schools'.

Not surprising really. If there's money to be made, there will be all sorts of commercial investors.

FrustratedofTW1 · 10/04/2016 15:58

Whittonmum Mum established some time ago that Bellevue who opened Old Deer Park School has a Hong Kong tycoon as one of it's investors and GEMS who have opened Twickenham Green Primary, though ostensibly operating under a philanthropic umbrella is based in Dubai and run private schools worldwide and their original CEO was very candid about hoping to make money in the UK. Mum got there before the Sunday Times!!

muminlondon2 · 10/04/2016 23:02

Oh, nearly picked up the Sunday Times today but forgot! That's so interesting but would like to get hold of it now. I was just wondering about these companies registered in offshore tax havens with their particular interest in schools for Richmond. So it's coming up in the Mossack Fonseca leak, is it? What a goldmine of information.

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muminlondon2 · 10/04/2016 23:08

This was the link that I picked up on. And then I kept seeing reports linking Petrosaudi, 1MDB and Malaysian scandals.

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muminlondon2 · 10/04/2016 23:25

And this is a Malaysia Chronicle report entitled 'Bombshell: Stolen 1MDB millions used to fund top UK schools while scholarships are cut in Malaysia' - the only related reporting I can find not behind a pay wall. Does the Times cover some of this?

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FrustratedofTW1 · 11/04/2016 11:20

mum I don't venture beyond the paywall either but one third of Mossacks activity was carried out through Hong Kong, taking money illegally, some of it obtained through corruption, from Asia off-shore. Li Ka-shing who you linked to Belke Vue some time ago is implicated www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/04/how-a-hong-kong-corruption-scandal-sparked-strife-at-mossack-fonseca?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Hard to believe when you see those 5 year olds in the playground. I wonder if the education professionals involved with Bellevue have any clue?

muminlondon2 · 11/04/2016 22:46

There's a lot of detail in the Sarawak report blog - this could be how the Times found the story or some of the links.

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helenrpea · 12/04/2016 17:48

Just seen this article www.richmondandtwickenhamtimes.co.uk/news/14421756.Academy_trust_slammed_by_Ofsted__should_release_control__of_Richmond_Park_Academy/

As a local resident I find this interesting but have no idea whether this is a realistic proposition or not. I don't know who are the decision makers in a matter such as this. Anyone able to fill me in?

muminlondon2 · 12/04/2016 22:03

AET are the decision makers (directors here) because although the DfE can lean on them, there hasn't been a 'special measures event' or anything that can allow the DfE to break their funding agreement. My understanding is that while half of AET's schools are underperforming and many undersubscribed, RPA is one of the more successful ones and now is bringing in more cash pupils.

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muminlondon2 · 12/04/2016 23:30

Lord True's position in 2011

'I ask my noble friend to guard against the emergence of large chains of schools that are remote-managed to standard formulae.'

His opinion in 2015

'a generalised anti-local-authority mantra is unhelpful. It may be justified in some cases, but it is hurtful to high-performing local authorities ... Back in 2010, after the general election I went to see the then Secretary of State, Michael Gove ... I put to him my fears that an overswift expansion of academies might lead to some excessively large chains emerging ... We discussed the idea of families of community-led academies—secondary schools surrounded by and perhaps even led by primary schools ...'

I look forward to seeing him state his position in 2016 about forced academisation in high performing local authorities, the abolition of parental rights, and about how little LAs can influence or switch schools when they are already in MATs.

One development that might be interesting is Fern Hill Primary, next to Kingston Academy - this term it will be reviewing options for collaborating with other schools, e.g. in a MAT. Kingston Academy seems the obvious choice (its catchment would be somewhat donut shaped without such a feeder school) although many older siblings of current pupils will be at Grey Court. It's ironic it would have more 'independence' (and parents would have more representation) under the LA. But that may not be possible for long.

The chair of Governors is also in a similar role at Turing House (though the local governing board members aren't the same as trustees). She used to be chair of governors at Stanley primary and was until recently a governor/director of Teddington School. Probably some of you know this already, or even know her.

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FrustratedofTW1 · 13/04/2016 08:54

Paul Hodgson has been pushing the creation of a MAT (Multi Academy Trust) of RPA and its local Primaries for well over a year but the Governors at some of the Primaries at least have resisted the idea, preferring the status quo and LA control. He tried to use the shrinking catchment at RPA which made it difficult for some parents at the schools to get in, as leverage. He must have had some indication from somewhere that AET would relinquish the school or maybe thought they could not resist a localisation proposal? So either he is being a bit disingenuous or it is misreported that he wants to bring it back under LA control, though a local MAT could have closer links with the LA ?

FrustratedofTW1 · 13/04/2016 08:58

So that would be the Richmond East counterpoint to the Richmond West Trust, though the latter does not include any Primary Schools......

bluestars · 13/04/2016 18:01

It's going to be interesting to see where Orleans fits into all of this ...

FrustratedofTW1 · 13/04/2016 18:16

Richmond Central?

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