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Char1y · 27/01/2012 14:20

Dear gals (and guys if any),

I would very much appreciate opinions on this major decision we are about to make.
We are moving to Edinburgh in August (I already asked for your help with schools and we are applying to 5: GW, GH, EA, Clifton Hall and Erskine Stewart's Melville - thanks everyone).

Back to my topic. Being a geek I developed a spreadsheet comparing the costs of buying versus renting for our situation (around 200K house) under a variety of scenarios: inflation range (1% - 4%), rent-to-price ratio, APR (int. rate) on the mortgage, loan-to-value ratio. I have made some simplifying assumptions like: house price grows at the same inflation rate as the rent, the discount rate for all calculations is the same as the APR on the mortgage. But I have tried to be very realistic in all other respects by incorporating all fees, maintenance costs, insurance, taxes, etc., associated with buying property.

Overall, the results show that:
Buying is better than Renting if:
the rent-to-price ratio is above0.35% (i.e. £700 rent for a £200,000 house),
Inflation is more or around 2% and
APR is higher than 3.5% (it currently is 5% for fixed rate loans)

My first question is: What are rents and prices like in the city, not necessarily in the very centre, but in good neighbourhoods.
I did look at ESPC, but there are very few rent offers available and it is impossible to get a good idea what the rent-to-price ratio is for the same neighbourhood.

I would love for us to be in the city, but DH prefers rural environment and if we end up choosing Clifton Hall (outside the city), there will be too many factors against me. On top of that we are ourdoorsy people and tend to go on nature trips every weekend.

Question 2: What other arguments can you give me for living in the city, except the obvious one that Edinburgh is gorgeous.

Obviously for some borderline values of the driving variables in my spreadsheet the difference between renting and buying may be relatively small (eg. £5,000 in present value terms over a 25-year horizon) and in this case I would lean towards buying because I greatly dislike moving.

However, our jobs have taken us around the world every 5 -6 years and even though I am more excited to settle in Edinburgh than I have ever been before (even compared to when we moved to Montreal), I have to allow that a fantastic job offer may come along and move us across the Atlantic in a couple of years.

We have always rented wherever we have lived so far and in hindsight I am glad because it was easier to move, but I feel like finally settling down.

Questions 3: How do you all stand on renting vs buying?

Thank you in advance. I hope my post is not too technical.

OP posts:
LilyDa · 02/10/2014 23:41

Hi AleAleta

Also doing the same & scouring around for info! I have two girls 5 & 2, we'll be moving up sometime between May & July. Have some school visits planned for half term to try & get a feel for the schools. Have you visited any?

MorningsideWifi · 03/10/2014 09:25

I am mostly OK with tenement life – there’s something reassuring about doing a 4am feed and hearing the students on the top floor coming in late! - but on nice days I do miss patio doors! Things to bear in mind about tenements:

If you do buy in a tenement check the ratio of owner-occupied to rented flats. Once it goes over half rented things can get tricky, not just because of student-party issues but also because owners usually have to organise building repairs and maintenance amongst themselves. Years ago we ended up as the only owners on the stair and if we didn't do it, it didn't happen. That was a huge motivator to move on.

Also bear in mind that tenements don't have private parking. Count the ratio of on-street parking space to households, many of whom run more than one car, and you'll see why there's a problem. We use the car club instead as we don't need a car to commute and the school is walking distance.

Edinburgh is lovely because even if you live right in the city centre it’s easy to get out to the hills. And there are hills inside the city too. However cycling can be a bit of a nightmare especially for kids. Roads are narrow, busy and potholed.

If you’re not sure about areas you could try renting for six months, get to know the areas and then buy.

LilyDa · 03/10/2014 18:40

I think we got a bit spoilt in our old tenement, all owner occupied, not too noisy (or so it seemed but then we didn't have kids), no mice or leaks!
I have just assumed that was the norm, having a bit of a wobble now about a southside flat!

AleAleta · 03/10/2014 19:47

Hey LilyDa!
It appears we'll be moving to Edinburgh at the same time! We're hoping to be there no later than July. My son is 10 years old and we are also planning to visit the schools mid term. I haven't been to any; but all the people I have talked to have been so helpful and lovely! I have sent applications to CH, EA and GH and am crossing fingers he will be admitted in one. Him going into Primary Seven makes it a bit more stressful since he has to take assessment exams. The good thing about your case is that you have 2, so they should consider you more because of the sibling deal. Which ones are you visiting?

LilyDa · 03/10/2014 20:51

We're going to GH, GW, ME & the Montessori Arts School, wondering about whether or not I should contact EA too. I have been trying to explore the state school options too but not getting anywhere, ph

LilyDa · 03/10/2014 20:54

Sorry, fat fingers! I phoned a few and have just been told there's a waiting list, call back when you have an address by which time the list will be longer and no, you can't visit I'm afraid.

AleAleta · 04/10/2014 15:57

Seriously?? That's terrible!! They were actually very helpful with me. Maybe it's because your kids are so young and the waiting list is worse?...no clue. I didn't even do any research on public because my husband and I like private schools. I'm really surprised they were that rude to you. I'm sorry! This process is stressful enough without them adding crap to it, yes?

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