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Moving to Geneva - lots of questions!

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yodelayeeoooo · 02/12/2009 15:33

It looks like we will be moving to Geneva in a few months time with DS1 (nearly 4) and DS 2 (10 months). I'm very excited about the prospect of moving but have lots of worries since I started my research because everything seems so expensive!My main concerns are about housing and DS1's education.

Ideally, I'd like DS to go to one of the international schools but the cost might be prohibitive. I know that school isn't compulsory until the age of 6 but they encourage children to attend from age 4 - what do they do for the first 2 years? Are they learning similar stuff to UK children (reading, writing, numeracy etc.) or do is it more like preschool? I know they catch up at 6 but if we move back to the UK before he has caught up I worry that his education will suffer (IYSWIM).

Where can I find a reasonable sized place to live without spending mega francs?!

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LIZS · 02/12/2009 15:54

Kindergarten goes from 4 ish to 6 (or even 7ish). In some cantons this is now obligatory at least for the second year. dd wouldn't have started Swiss school until she was almost 7 , by which time she was entering year 3 here. Kindergarten is very much playbased, lots of crafts and outdoor play (all weathers) so no formal numeracy or literacy but your ds may qualify for locla language support.

ds went to an International school (German speaking area) until 7 and was well behind UK curriculum by then even so. The IB syllabus had a different emphasis to UK and the various natioanlity teachers had different expectations academically.

yodelayeeoooo · 02/12/2009 19:42

Thanks for the info about the IB syllabus. I like the sound of the English school in Geneva as that follows the UK curriculum.

Does anyone have a 4 year old in a Swiss state school in the Geneva area at the moment?

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LIZS · 03/12/2009 08:43

Have you joined this group ? A range of nationalities, short and long term expats, and geographically spread. There are spin offs for Swiss Schooling, Living in Geneva etc.

strudelface · 04/12/2009 13:06

yodelayeeoooo

Sounds like you need to give a shout to MmeLindt she has young children in a swiss school. I will direct her to this thread from our meet-up thread.

Are you moving due to your or your dh's job? If so you may find the package includes school fees, also help (practical and financial) with relocating.

We moved to Geneva this Easter except, like you we can't afford swiss house prices so live over the border in France - this could be an option for you.

Fire away with questions there are a few of us here already to help you.

Cadmum · 04/12/2009 16:08

Hello Yodelayeeoooo, I am in the Geneva area and have many friends whose children attend the local schools. It is my understanding that prior to age 6, the children do not have formal classes in literacy or numeracy.

I would also caution you (as LIZS has) that the IB program in the International schools can also quite far behind the UK learning objectives in the early years. There are a few British schools that you might want to consider if you know that a move back home is imminent.

Here are links to two of which I am aware: www.geneva-english-school.ch/ www.international-school.org/page.php?pid=4010

MmeLindt · 04/12/2009 20:53

Thanks for directing me here, Strudelface.

We moved a year ago when DS was 4yo, he went straight into 1E (premiere enfantine). 1E and 2E are not compulsory but almost all children do go to school. Here in Geneva we don't have kindergarten, the 4-5 yo go straight into schools.

DS can write his name, the names of the family members, ie Mama Papa and his sister's name. He is learning joined up writing. They also do some maths, but very basic stuff. Counting to 20, practicing writing numbers etc.

I asked the teacher last year and she said that they have one activity that they have to do in the morning, once they have completed that they can choose what to play with.

They do a lot in our school, trips to theaters, museums etc and often work these things into their lessons.

Recently DS has been doing a project on Boucle d'or et les trois ors, Goldilocks and the three bears. He brought home a folder of work that he had done.

It is not really comparable with nursery, there is more formal learning.

Saying that, DD did not have any of that and moved here from Germany where they don't start school until 6yo. She has not had any problems (aside from the challenge of learning French, which has gone well).

I am a great proponent of local schools. If your children were older I could see the point of sending them to the IS but at that age, your DS will really benefit from the local school. And he will learn French very fast. DS is very fluent, and translates for me now.

If you live within a certain distance of the French/Swiss border and you or your DH work in Switzerland, then your DC can choose to go to either French or Swiss schools.

yodelayeeoooo · 09/12/2009 23:25

Thanks for all the info. I'm much less stressed about the state school option now.

One option we thought of was to put ds into a Montessori for a year or two then put him into a local state school when he is a bit more familiar with French.

The info about the ib syllabus is interesting. I'd be v annoyed if we spent all that money and he came back to the uk behind!

We are coming over to check out some schools in the new year. We need to give our relocation agent some specific schools we would like to look at. I like the sound of the geneva English school- can anyone recommend some others? I will ask them to show us a state school too.

Has anyone heard anything good/bad about the mosaic school?

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strudelface · 10/12/2009 08:10

I have heard bad about Mosaic School, I'm afraid. Although someone else may come along and say the opposite!

I can recommend the primary school at the LGB campus of the International School - email me at strudelface @ gmail.com for more info.

I don't know anyone who sends their children to the English school but it has huge waiting lists - I remember calling them a year ago and they were full up.

MmeLindt · 15/12/2009 08:26

Do you have an idea where you are going to be living? Once you have a house/flat you basically go to the nearest school if you decide on a state school. You cannot go to a different school afaik.

Our DC go to a small village school (only 90 pupils) and it is very friendly and welcoming. If you are in town then obviously the school will be larger and not quite so cosy. (Not to say it will not be good, but your first impression will be very different).

TheMysticMasseuse · 15/12/2009 08:30

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MmeLindt · 15/12/2009 08:32

MM
Next week? Gosh, that came around fast. How are you doing?

TheMysticMasseuse · 15/12/2009 13:54

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yodelayeeoooo · 15/12/2009 15:16

Good Luck with the move MM! Are you going into a temporary apartment or have you found your house/apartment already? Did you go for state or private school?

MmeLindt - Thanks for that. Could you recommend any good areas to live? I don't mind living out of the city a bit if there are other expats around but my main concern is being snowed in and isolated!

I'm just about to sign DS1 up for some french classes here (La Jolie Ronde) so that he can start to get familiar with it before we go. I'm going to try and learn a bit before we go too as even phoning up the international schools and saying 'bonjour - do you speak English?' is making me !

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TheMysticMasseuse · 15/12/2009 17:15

Yodelay i tried CAT-ing you but can't- can you send me a quick email (click on "contact poster" on the top right-hand corner)? i have lots of info i'd like to share...

MmeLindt · 16/12/2009 20:50

yodel
It really depends on where your DH works. Generally I always suggest looking on the same side of the lake for your house/flat as your office as the traffic in Geneva is horrible.

I go to the other side of the lake on Tuesday mornings for French lessons. A journey that should take 20mins can take up to an hour when the traffic is bad.

You then have the choice of staying in the city or going out to the suburbs. There are lovely villages just outside the town, many of them with bus or even tram connection into town. With young DC that is what I would be going for.

I am on the right side of the lake so can recommend Cologny (but is likely to be out of your price range as it is mega expensive) Anieres, Vesenaz, Chene Bourg, Presinge, Jussy, Corsier.

Carouge and Jussy are lovely too.

yodelayeeoooo · 17/12/2009 15:13

MM - Thanks for the info you emailed. I've been checking out the montessori links. I like the look of the Dynamic Learning pre-school too! Have a great Christmas in Italy!

MmeLindt - Thanks - will check out those areas.

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beresh · 18/12/2009 10:08

We're in German speaking switzerland and there are quite a few UK primary school teachers offering weekly small group English reading and writing lessons to help expat children in state kindergarten keep up with the uk curriculum.

My DD1 gets reading books and homework and is making good progress and looks forward to the classes.

Maybe you could find something similar where you are if you send DS to state school?

yodelayeeoooo · 18/12/2009 16:45

Thanks beresh. We were thinking about that as an option after we looked at the dynamic learning website. Good to know that they may be lots of other UK teachers offering this service!

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EldonAve · 02/02/2010 20:23

yodelayeeoooo & TheMysticMasseuse - how are you getting on?

We are contemplating a move and DH's work want an answer by the end of the week

yodelayeeoooo · 03/02/2010 13:09

Hi EldonAve. When would you be moving if you say yes to the move? Have you been out there yet?

I've been meaning to update on here for a couple of weeks! DH and I went to have a look around Geneva a couple of weeks ago without the kids.

We got shown around by the relocation agents and looked at the 3 schools we were interested in. The relocation people also showed us a couple of houses to let us see what we could get with our budget. We won't search properly until we are out there.

We loved the Geneva English School (GES) and hope DS1 will get a place there. We also liked the villages between the school and Nyon.

We were impressed with the academic side of Institute International de Lancy but found it too big and hectic - we couldn't see DS being happy there. He'd been offered a place there but we haven't accepted it.

College du Leman was nice but they tend to put English speaking kids into the French speaking class at first - they don't teach the UK curriculum either so we thought what would be the point in sending him there! Might as well save the money and send him to a state school!

We have decided we will definitely go. DH will start work out there at the end of March and I will follow with the kids in April. We've got the removal people coming tomorrow to do a survey! So it isn't long now!!!!

Our house is in chaos at the moment because we are extending - all very stressful!

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EldonAve · 03/02/2010 14:56

We have not been out there yet
They want to move the whole office so need to know how many people will agree to move before proceeding further

The timetable is quite tight though and they'd expect to move by June at the latest

yodelayeeoooo · 03/02/2010 15:50

Are they going to organize visits so you can get a feel for the place?

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EldonAve · 03/02/2010 17:56

I expect so

Housing costs, preschool/schooling and the language barrier are worrying me but DH is quite keen

Are you going to rent out your house while you are away?

yodelayeeoooo · 03/02/2010 18:40

Yes we will be renting it out. With all the building work going on I'm tempted to run away to Geneva as soon as possible to escape it! However, we don't want to be paying rent out there and paying the mortgage here at the same time for very long!

I wouldn't worry about the language barrier - nearly everyone speaks English. My concern is not getting the chance to practice while I'm learning!

Housing and schooling are my main concerns too. I got quite stressed when I was looking at rental places on the internet but our relocation agents said the websites aren't up to date and lots of things come up for rent without even getting on to the site.

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yodelayeeoooo · 03/02/2010 18:41

What ages are your children?

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