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Homesick for Britain

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Maninadirndl · 18/06/2009 14:16

Hello there,

I live in Bavaria, I am a SAHD with two lovely kids who are bilingual. I have a big place and garden and I shouldn't complain. However I am very isolated here. It's hard to connect with locals here on my wavelength. I don't think it's a language issue as I am fluent in German now. My parents have been out here recently and made me miss them and UK more.

Please tell me I am seeing Britain with rose tinted glasses and that life in UK is better in some ways than in Germany. I always tell my wife that we in Britain are generally more polite and less direct for example. My problem is I am stuck here as I haven't worked for four years since becoming a SAHD so at 42 my career prospects are virtually over. Maybe that's not the case in UK but I feel it to be true here in conservative Bavaria where the mother stays home for the kids and the man works.

There's one thing I do appreciate about Germany which I know isn't so in Britain. The absence of idiots on the streets. I can leave my car unlocked whilst doing shop/KG runs and not worry, even leave the front door unlocked overnight in absent mindedness. There doesn't seem to be the underclass here in Germany that we have/had in Britain.

Please convince me that if I came home I'd want to fly back here.

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Maninadirndl · 14/07/2009 23:17

Thank you admylin and mojo.

admilyn - I've recovered now from a bout of homesickness. Funnily enough your little drama helped my perspectives. Thank you for sharing your story here as it helped me in a way realise what I have here. Can I give you some advice based upon my experiences recently?

First thing is to get lots of rest. I am a poor sleeper - always have been - so I neede to rest properly. I went to the chemist and asked for either SJW or Valerian (Baldrian auf Deutsch). The woman used a biotensor on me (Google that) and indicated that I needed SJW. So for two weeks I drank zero alcohol - not even shandy/radler including weekends - bit of an achievment that. As my mind cleared I noticed the subtle effects of ST Johns Wort on me - the downers came of course but I didnt' sink that far into the pit as usual. I took it for about 2 weeks and I can say that it doesnt make you feel high at all - far from it - just gives relief from the worst thoughts.

Anyway I had enough of a clear head to realise that my present situation was shit! The weather was driving me nuts! Once I realised it was external factors - the rain has been falling for a month now every day - I felt not better but satisfied that it wasn't in a way "me". In short I was able to sort of externalise it a bit. That lifted a large burden from me psychologically. In the end I was also able to see what I had wasn't depression more a sadness or "melancholy". Depression is too strong a word for what I had.

I've stopped taking the SJW for now. The sun is out again the weather is warmer and I am out again in the garden busy in nature. I'm harvesting fresh veg, cutting the grass, tomorrow I am manually mashing, pressing and sterilising our apples to make our own juice! There've been new leads to follow to make new friends so I will hopefully get out a little more again.

I'll respond to Mojop next...

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Maninadirndl · 14/07/2009 23:19

Adm I hope my experience and recommendation above helps. Go to the doc and ask if you are suited to SJW - some aren't. Mine did you see. Take it easy a while.

I also exercised a little more and I am dreaming of getting back into relaxation tapes I haven't listened to in years.

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Maninadirndl · 14/07/2009 23:25

Mojo - thank you for the advice.

I think I'd feel just as cut off in my old Welsh village alone with the kids tbh. well put.

My dream this summer was to garden for old people but the rain has stopped all that. Not rocket science - I used to do the equivalent of that mapping habitats and military areas - but rewardig in itself.

I've really found MN a HUGE source of psychological support lately. God you ladies are so fantastic! It's posts like those above including yours which have sustained me a lot in recent times and I hope I am accepted here as a male but doing what is seen as a woman's job, in a foreign language. I trust you acceot my teasing humour as much as my wife does.

I owe you ladies all a snog. (of course, when your men aren't watching!)

(come to think off it also when my wife isnt watching either!)

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expatstuckmum · 19/03/2012 21:29

I?m in the middle of the court case right now, trying to get permission to return home to the UK with my 2 children from Portugal. We are all English, we moved out here 6 years ago when my son was 6 months old. I ended up leaving their dad because he?d developed a drink problem. Then I went out to work (TEFL in the evenings) but when I saw the children suffering because they weren?t seeing me enough, I went very part time, but then couldn?t afford rent, bills etc. My ex refuses to give me any money from our house, and because we weren?t married and my name wasn?t on the deeds it might be complicated to get anything back. The long and short of it is I can?t afford to stay here. And also I don?t have any ?reason? to stay.
In England I have a place on a PGCE course starting in September which, if I get work afterwards, will allow me to work the same hours as my children, and support them financially. If I don?t get work, there is a benefits system to ?catch? us. I?ll be closer to friends and family, and be able to bring them up to a decent standard of living.
Of course their dad claims they should stay here with him, even if I can?t stay. He claims they have their whole lives here and to change would be harmful for them. He also claims it?s ?nearly impossible? for him to return to the UK due to the economic climate, so the court would be depriving the children of their father.
I?m told he has a strong case and there?s a good chance the judge (an older man) will take his side. I?m really scared, as I can?t live off the loans of family and friends for much longer. I no longer have a job, and still must pay rent etc. I receive only 84 euros a month from the Portuguese social security.
If my children are separated from me I?m scared that my ex will start drinking heavily again (he?s stopped for the court case). My daughter (4 years) and son will grow up without the daily love and practical care of their mum. And of course it would break my heart.
This is the most stressful thing I?ve ever experienced. But at least until the court declines my application I still have hope. I can?t imagine what it must feel like to be told ?no the children must stay?, knowing that you must go.
I can?t believe I?m in this position but there must be thousands of mums and maybe dads out there like me/ us. Are there any specific blogs out there other than this one? It would be great to be in contact with other people in the same situation? So I've started a facebook page called Expat stuck mums -

echt · 23/03/2012 07:49

Bump for you, OP, though you might need to post this in Relationships, too.

Good luck.

sanguinechompa · 23/03/2012 09:03

Hello Maninad. I haven't read entire thread either but I second what Mojo and others have said that this may be more a problem related to your own career development and trajectory rather than a homesicknessness problem per se. (Glad to hear homesickness abated a bit though!!)

It's so vital to have a role in your own right and not just feel you are an adjunct to what your oh is doing (important a job as looking after yr dc is - don't meant to denigrate that role by any means - but they will grow up fast) It's also important for your dc that their main career is fulfilled and has a bit of life of his own!!

I know isolation can be a very real issue, partic with young dc (and knackering!!), and career projectory is obviously harder/more complicated by living abroad. And it is really hard being such a long way from elderly parents. All this I know from personal experience.

However, however, sometimes living abroad can give you a liberation and a "what the hell, no-one knows me, I can start afresh and be whoever I want to be" sort of feeling. And that can last for a long time when you are an "outsider"

So I would highly recommend that you INSIST on getting the training you need to follow a career path that could make you happy and give you some self-fulfillment (once your dc are old enough). You must make this a priority!! Even if it means arranging to go back to the UK for part of the year and causing huge inconvenience to everyone else. Honestly, it will pay dividends in the future.

Is your German sufficiently good to follow a horticultural course over there? What are your living circumstances? Can you build or get access to a poly-tunnel? Could you possibly collaborate with other eco-concerned locals and start a veg box scheme or some such? Could you study alpine flowers and take English visitors on tours of the locality? Dunno - just throwing out ideas!!!

Sorry to sound preachy but I am going through the same as you but 5 yrs on! (And I still need to follow my own advice!!) I've been in Brussels since 94 and had one dd 8 yrs ago. I don't hate it as much as RushingRachel (my postman is wonderful since bunging him a wodge of money the Christmas we moved in and every Christmas since, have had loads of contact with health service - all truly superb - oh and btw fennel tea IS very good for settling baby's digestion!!) BUt, but, a lot of what you both say strikes a chord with me. It is isolating being the outsider all the time and however well you speak the native language(s), you never quite get to the same level of nuance/colloqualism/humour (or lack of) as your colleagues/neighbours/friends which can be really exhausting and demoralising.

My dh and dd are both very happy and fulfilled here and I am much happier that dd is being brought up and educated here than in UK (she is tri-lingual aged 8). However, however, I feel as if my career is down the lavatory and I'm really unhappy aobut it and frankly I haven't found a solution yet, which is making me feel very down.

LikeRushingRachel, nor do I want to be responsible for moving my entire family back to UK. If I'm honest, although I love the initial few weeks of rushing around to see family & friends, buying pants in M&S and gorging myself on salt and vinegar crisps Grin, I feel an outsider in the UK now as well!! I don't like the drinking culture there, and the bread gives me a stomach upset!! I also find the Belgian culture much warmer towards dc.

So - this is just a very long-winded way of saying - get yourself training and a job and a role in life that is self-fulfilling (ideally that will bring you in to contact with other like-minded people). If your childcare duties are too heavy right now, then start planning or working towards your new life - this will give you an incentive to keep going. Be selfish and make this a priority!!!!

Good luck!

sanguinechompa · 23/03/2012 12:32

oops - erratum - main "carer" (not career) is fulfilled ...

ZZZenAgain · 23/03/2012 12:35

The OP's last post on this thread was 2009 though so he may well have moved on by now, either physically or emotionally.

sanguinechompa · 23/03/2012 12:43

oh! Blush

vows to read thread in more detail next time ...

sanguinechompa · 23/03/2012 12:43

[wonders how rushingrachel is doing 3 years on ...]

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