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teafortwo · 24/09/2008 15:23

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arfishy · 06/10/2008 03:20

Hmm yes. My International Man of Action is standing behind me doing bad scooby-doo impressions to annoy the dc. .

SuperBunny · 06/10/2008 03:29

Oh, the Falklands, how exciting!

Clara's post from Islamabad reminded me of some friends who always carry a Canadian flag with them when they are travelling so that no-one mistakes them for Americans.

Chicago

Well, Fall is here. The skyscrapers are lit up orange and will remain that way until the beginning of November. People have pumpkins sitting on their doorsteps and autumnal wreaths on the front doors.

I babysat for a friend last night and, despite living only 1 block away, she insisted on driving me home. When I protested, she pulled me to the window and showed me where a stray bullet had ricocheted off the building and into her front room Sadly, I know other people this has happened to. It is the one thing I dislike most about living here.

Talk of penguins reminded me of DS (3) the other day. A flock of green parakeets flew overhead and he shouted with delight, "Look! Penguins"

eidsvold · 06/10/2008 03:35

brisbane

phsl at mr arfishy.

ghosty - we have a year round strict no hat no play policy. dd1 went through a phase of chucking her hat over the school fence - great game for teacher to go and get for her. Until teacher finally realised and made her sit on her thinking chair at lunch - well she learnt no hat no play policy and so funny - it works at home too - she stomps around like a small dictator especially to dd3. Dd1 bellows no hat no play and shoves dd3's hat back on her head.

Back to school for us too ghosty. dd1 was so excited to be back - she really loves school BUT was a bit clingy when we got there. She takes a little longer than most to remember the routines after each break.

Lovely 31 degrees forcast today.

Back to the routine - no sleep ins. Dd2 and 3 back to swimming lessons. Dd3 loves it bless her. She looks so tiny in the pool all by herself - oh with her teacher as well.

eidsvold · 06/10/2008 03:38

ghosty - we get lots of sulphur crested cockatoos after our macadamia nuts - it is amazing to watch them crack them open with their beaks.

pic here

My dd2 is chilling out after swimming watching one of oz's biggest exports

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chloeb2002 · 06/10/2008 03:50

Well done eids... never knew you could get soooo very close to a sulpher crested cockatoo! Reporting from just down the road from eids... hot HOT HHOOTT. DS is a sweaty blob in his cot, Im a grumpy little s%$t because my house purchase has fallen through Yet again! but still cant complain the sun is shining, the washing is drying and all is well really.
Oh dd got a pony for her birthdau another reason for not being a little S*&t.
Like eids i too went to the markets but ours are a smaller affair. Nearly bought some ducklings, lucky we didnt as we now have no dam for them to swim on... uummmm.

www.dayborovalley.asn.au/

link to our little village site..

saw a VERY large lizard in the road on the way to school today. It waved as i drove past...

eidsvold · 06/10/2008 03:58

chloe - you should come over the mountain for the Petrie ones - every sunday or the shops are open i think Tues to Friday.

Lizard - what sort - a frilly?!?!

eidsvold · 06/10/2008 04:00

chloe- we have been to the amore cafe - we used to love it for lunch and then they sold to these people who made it like roadhouse diner!! Now it seems to have changed hands again BUT we have not been back.

Love the bakery and Birches at Mt Mee was a birthday surprise for me last year. Gorgeous lunch sans dds. Just us grown ups.

chloeb2002 · 06/10/2008 04:36

yummy bakery one of my friends girls work there beteen school.. amore the most expensve place to buy pizzas! like $20 each... thank god eagle boys have arrived! it is or was up for sale again acouple of weeks ago.. not sure if it still isnt havnt seen it listed.
Lizard... Not a frilly a bloody big one about the size of a small dog.not talking a tiny dog either
been to the museum at petrie dd liked dropping coins in the toilet!
Not been to the birches yet if i ever manage to buy a house it will probably be at ocean view so will try it then, and the winerys which are meant to be great. Off to drown the dogs at the creek and then dd and ds at the pool. still too HOT!

eidsvold · 06/10/2008 06:54

oh my cousin went to a wedding at glengariff and said it was fab.

eidsvold · 06/10/2008 07:31

right now it is hot, the dds have had showers after school ( for dd1) and they are running around in vests ( or singlets) and undies. I have just cut a postpak in half for them to jump on and burst the bubbles of the bubble wrap.

ghosty · 06/10/2008 08:08

at Eids warm weather. It is 10 degrees in Melbourne today with black skies and showers all day. This morning we had hail. I am torn between wishing the winter to be over and dread at another AirCon-less summer.

AuldAlliance · 06/10/2008 08:23

Luberon, France

All this talk of heat is making me envious.
Here, it has gone suprisingly cold; the last 3 years (since we arrived here), summer went on for ages and then suddenly winter arrived in mid-November.
This year, summer is definitely already over; we went up into the hills to collect firewood yesterday. DS and DH had a great time picking up huge, soft branches and bashing them against trees to get them small enough to fit in the car boot. Until DH realised that the wood was soft because it's full of termites and we probably shouldn't bring it home and store it in the garage for months, unless we want to watch our beams turn to sawdust!

I picked up smaller bits and kept an eye open for hunters; there were signs everywhere warning that they were beating for "big game" (that means boar around these parts). Hunters in Provence are not to be messed with, so I was kind of relieved when we headed home...

DS started school a month ago and is now enriching my knowledge of French culture with a vast new range of songs, all complete with hand actions. His favourite is about a miller who falls asleep, and whose millwheel then turns too fast. The hand actions are fairly hectic!

BriocheDoree · 06/10/2008 08:43

AuldAlliance I'm intrigued, never knew there were hand actions to "Meunière tu dors" (also one of DD's favourites BTW). It's cold here too. And wet. Very wet. DD keeps wanting to walk in the woods after school and DS's buggy is getting stuck in the mud. However, the rain did mean we were able to park when we went to the market in Versailles yesterday. I love French markets, just the smell of all the cheese and the roasting chickens and the fresh herbs and olives.
Also wanted to say welcome to Squidandchips, lovely to hear from the Falklands.
My sister is talking about moving to Australia (Sydney). If she does this will mean none of my close family left in England, and very expensive travel for us all between France (me and DH), Arizona (my parents) and Australia.

Themasterandmargaritas · 06/10/2008 11:19

'Ton moulin, ton moulin va trop viiiiite' Personally I am a fan of 'Savez-vous planter les chous?'

Even in Africa it is wet, the short rains have started, which is great for the country, not so good for the dc as half term starts on Friday, nor so good for friends who are coming out here for 2 weeks holiday

AuldAlliance · 06/10/2008 12:10

The hand actions may have been invented by DS's teacher for all I know. They involve the traditional hands-below-cheek for "meunier tu dors", and then increasingly manic hand-over-hand motions representing a millwheel turning ever faster.

"Savez-vous planter les choux" is an old favourite of DS's, but he's abandoning the old songs for the new school learnt ones. There's also a rather moral one about how the little fish swim as well (or as fast) as the big ones in the ocean. For a little boy who's still scared to go in the playground in case one of the bigger kids knocks him over or bashes him with a football, it has a certain appeal.

20km south of the Luberon, it is gorgeous and sunny. I've just had lunch on the terrace of the staff cafeteria, complete with sunglasses and colleagues removing jumpers...

MmeTussaudsChamberOfHorrors · 06/10/2008 12:22

FOOC for Geneva Switzerland

Found my way back to the FOOCs, you lot have been busy in the last couple of weeks.

Hello and welcome to the new FOOCs, how very interesting to read about the Falkland Islands, I know almost nothing about that area of the world.

Clara
Thank goodness you are being evacuated, but what a shame that you cannot see the area.

Well, we moved 2 weeks ago and it has all been quite chaotic for several reasons, but we are slowly settling in.

The DCs started school last week, they start between 8am and 8.45am, depending on how early we leave the house in the morning. They come home for lunch at 11.30am to 1.30pm then have school until 4pm. They have Wednesdays off school which is going to take some getting used to. I worked out that they have approx. the same weekly hours of school that DD had in Germany, just spread over the week differently.

DS is 4yo and also started school, he is very proud to be in school now rather than kindergarten. He has his own little desk with his colouring pencils and felt tips and when we go in he just toddles over and sits down as if he has been going to school for months. There is another girl in his class who speaks English but he seems to be getting on well with some of the boys too, even if they do not understand each other.

DD is 6yo and luckily enough has 5 or 6 bilingual children in her class. One of them, an American girl called Sophie sits next to DD. I find it amusing, DD has told me that she is not called So-fie, she is called Sau-fay (if that is the right phonetic spelling). I wonder if DD will start speaking English with an American accent.

DH's company organised a tour of Geneva on Saturday, with tour guides through the old town. We had a fab tour guide, a very chic elderly lady, complete with black fedora hat and Gucci glasses. She looked like an elegant Parisian Grandmere, very French. We walked through a fabulous park, Parc des Bastians with the Reformation Wall and huge chess sets. There is a cafe there, right next to the chess sets and a playarea so we will definately be heading down there again.

Yesterday the weather was incredible and we had a stunning view of the distant Alps. We have not been able to see them until now as it has been a bit overcast. I can actually see them from the balcony off my bedroom, a brilliant start to the day.

We went to the Baby Plage, the baby beach. They have fantastic swings on a huge tree right on the edge of the small beach. Made out of tires, they circle the treetrunks making a wonderful climbing frame. The DCs were fascinated.

longwayfromhome · 06/10/2008 14:40

argentina

very interested to read newb's post about cadbury's chocolate, although I would like to mention that cadbury's chocolate here is not as good as the stuff in the uk - maybe because it gets so hot so the uk stuff would melt. does anyone else have this problem?

ps typing one handed with a baby in my lap, apologies for lack of caps

MrsSprat · 06/10/2008 16:36

Welcome to your new home Mme, sounds like you are enjoying yourselves. I really do enjoy all the snippets from round the world. Very cool to get some impressions of the Falklands.

Anyway, I will continue with Quebec tales at some stage, but meanwhile, did something unusual this weekend in:

Toronto

There was a contemporary Arts festival downtown on Saturday called Nuit Blanche, which I think is a concept that runs in other cities too. Basically it's an allnighter, which runs from sunset until sunrise where public buildings and various bits of the city are set up as free art installations. The major bit of the subway runs all night and bars and restaurants stay open.

We opted to go out for a couple of hours at 11pm to catch some of this. DD is a something of a night owl anyway and was snuggled up in her buggy with plenty of layers and extra blankets. I'm pleased that we weren't the only ones out and about with a little one. It was the busiest I have seen Toronto since arriving here, as lots of people made their way round the exhibits. All very good natured of course. This is the event site. Some of it was fun, some of it hugely self-indulgent. DD has developed a keen nose for art and was blowing raspberries at the most pretentious offerings, much to our amusement.

My favourite was Toronto City Hall normal here, but had been set up as a huge light show on both building facades, including a massive-scale game of Pong. "Into the Blue" was a big inflatable cone that had been suspended inside the Eaton Centre (Toronto's main shopping mall). While impressive in the catalogue, in real life it looked a bit like an upsidedown paddling pool. Raspberry. Nuff said.

MrsSprat · 06/10/2008 17:08

Oh, the Cadburys chocolate in Canada is not up to much either, but not as grot as US chocolate.

I read somewhere that ice-cream needs to be a different formulation depending on the altitude. Being something of a science ignoramus, I can't really explain: it's to do with melting points differing at different altitudes, so UK ice-cream would melt too quickly in South Africa. Or something.

Maybe it's the same deal with chocolate too, as well as milk vs. hydrogenated fat snobbery.

I'm happy with UK chocolate. But my absolute favourite is from Finland. Can't remember the unpronounceable name, but it comes in dark blue wrappers with gold writing. Mmmmmmmmmmmmm.

suedonim · 06/10/2008 19:59

Wow, the Falklands, Squidandchips! I think you must get the prize for being the remotest Mumsnetter! I always feel sad, though, when thinking of the Falklands as dh and I lost a friend apiece in the conflict. My bro's friend Geoff died on board HMS Coventry and dh's friend Ed went down in his Harrier. I recently came across the letter I received in reply to my letter of condolence to Geoff's parents. It was so full of grace and completely lacking in self-pity - amazing.

Nigeria

I've been confined to quarters as dd2 has been ill again - this time with a chest/throat thing. I am hopeful she will return to school on Weds so that I can resume normal life. But as a consequence, I can only think of weather about which to write!

The main Rainy Season finally came to an end about 10 days ago, after months of rains. This morning, it appeared that the small Rainy Season is now upon us. Dh informed me at silly o'clock, as he went to work, that it was raining. I was woken a little later by a door banging and then by a flying missile in the shape of dd2 as she catapulted herself into my bed.

The wind which often preceeds a storm had got up and was howling around the apartment block where we live, tossing high into the air anything not nailed to the ground. In our time we have seen cardboard boxes sail clear over the top of our 12-storey tower! People were running for cover anywhere they could, the almost night-dark sky regularly illuminated by massive lightening flashes while the ground shook with stomach-wobbling claps of thunder. Then the rain began to fall in torrents, smashing against the window and streaming down the outisde of the building from the floors above us. Dd and I pulled the covers over our heads, it seemed like the end of the world!

The storm rumbled on for an hour or two, the rain falling for even longer, about seven hours altogether. As the afternoon wore on a watery sun tried to come out but it fought a losing battle with a strange fog that seemed to emanate from the direction of the sea. From the vantage point of our balcony I watched it getting ever closer until we were enveloped in it as well and everywhere was cut off from view. As night fell, it seemed as though we, on our small, sandy island, were the only people left in the world.

chloeb2002 · 06/10/2008 21:29

Hey ghosty we are air con less too.. and to boot our landlord wont even give us ceiling fans... and i refuse to have the fridge plumbed in until we buy somewhere so we will suffer yet another sticky hot one.. just remember the mantra...... I COULD BE IN ENGLAND...I COULD BE COLD AND WET....I COULD NEVER SEE THE SUN....
still from another sunny day in BRISBANE...
DD is up and dressed and awaiting ben 10 on the telly. DS is having day one of serious weaning onto a bottle before i have to venture back to work
top temp today of 26 so may need my thermals after yesterdays high.
On a global comment and following my morning breeze through the courier mail.. reading about the falling aussie markets.. i would like to know what other bods think about buying a house at the moment...well probably will wait about 6 months now but any comments.. are we mad and will be crippled by high interest rates or is it a shrewd move to buy whislt house prices are low.. we live in a pricey patch of brisbane, not as bad as the city but higher than average on this side of teh mountain! so some bargains will be coming up... .

mangolassi · 07/10/2008 08:13

Thailand

Hello to all the new foocs. Haven't been by to catch up since our trip down south. I took dp and dd with me to a work meeting in Hua Hin, which is on the coast. It's really popular with Thai people, but I don't understand why. The sand is coarse, and at this time of year all the rubbish from Phuket gets washed up onto it. The sea is grimy and oily and smelly. And full of jellyfish.

I know I'm whining. If we had the chance to go to the beach more often I wouldn't mind so much. I suppose Thai people don't like lying on beaches anyway (one day I'll post about the Asian obsession with skin whitening products, or did we do that already?) and most people we were with couldn't swim. But what's the point of being at the beach, then? I don't understaaand!

Anyway, after a few days of that we headed to a proper nicer beach. It's getting increasingly hard in Thailand to avoid a) absurd overdevelopment (e.g. Koh Samui) and b) sex tourists (like Pattaya, parts of Phuket). Plus we are poor, so that cuts down our options too. We ended up on Koh Samet, just a few hours from Bangkok. It was amazing, just really beautiful. We stayed in a tiny compact bungalow right on the beach, I wasn't even bad tempered at being woken up by dd at the crack of dawn cos watching the sunrise over the ocean (well, Gulf of Thailand, whatever) was worth it. The sea was warm, and clear enough that you could be in it up to your chest and still see your feet. Really nice atmosphere, good seafood, bliss.

On the downside, Koh Samet is technically a national park so it should be protected, but the only thing limiting development there seems to be the fact that it's very narrow. And the fact that there's no fresh water on the entire island - water for every cup of tea and every shower is shipped in from the mainland. So not our most environmentally sound holiday . Waiting for the ferry to leave on our way back, we watched them unload gallons and gallons of water, and even huge rice sacks full of ice onto motorbike sidecars for the restaurants.

On the way through Bangkok coming home we picked up some DVDs and since we got back 2 weeks ago I've watched the entire first season of The Wire

WelliesAndPyjamas · 07/10/2008 09:42

FOOC Bosnia

It's been so long. But I will keep as brief as poss.

On the 21st September we were kindly invited to a church party by our Serb neighbours. But this was a significant invitation. Just to explain some background briefly, we live above a village close to a town, and as often happens here, villages and neighbourhoods are ethnically based. So the village we are attached to was traditionally Serb (Orthodox) and there is a little Orthodox church in the middle of it. Sadly, the whole of the village was burnt to the ground by the Croat army (HVO, entioned in one of my early FOOC reports posts) but has now been gradually rebuilt. The village population has changed a lot however. A lot of the older people have stayed here but their children and grandchildren have chosen to move to parts of the country where the population is mainly ethnically Serb, and many of the Muslim population who had to leave those same areas as refugees to avoid ethnic cleansing during the war, have now ended up living here. (There are however no Croats/Catholics living in this village, for obvious reasons). So... the fact that we, as not only non-Serbs but also foreigners, were invited to one of their parties, was very important - it meant that we have been accepted. And WHAT A PARTY! These guys can really put on a spread and they really know how to have a good time! There was roast pork, freshly baked bread, lovely salads, cake, and the ever-present rakija or plum brandy! And it just kept coming - never an empty plate! And constant singing - all the traditional medieval-sounding 'village' songs sung sperately by the men and women (sounds a bit like this but without the formality, the dancing, and the sobriety! - followed by dancing in a long arm-linked chain around the tightly-packed trestle tables of the church hall (a bit difficult to find a clip that gives you an idea but this is as close as I could get - and once more try and imagine it a bit more drunk and uncoordinated!). All our Serb beighbours were there and it was a lovely afternoon. It was the first time we'd met their priest too and he was great - tall, dark glasses, goatee beard, young, a toothpick hanging out of his mouth, and a cigarette on the go contantly!!! And rumour has it that he's quite a ladies' man !

The other significant event lately was the end of Ramadan, from the 1st of October. Typical for Bosnians, who find it hard to resist the temptation of a party, the celebrations started unofficially two days before: the air was filled all day and all night with the sound and smell of fireworks and firecrackers (and the occasional gun fired in to the air), and there was that crazy, unhinged atmosphere in town! The official celebrations (called Bajram here, pronounced bah-ee-ram), started on Tuesday last week, with the first day being the visits-to-family day, the second day being the visits-to-friends day, and the second evening being the night the young people go wild in the town's nightclubs and bars! We were flattered to be invited for 'breakfast' on the first morning by our neighbours, who are a mixed muslim-serb family. They stuffed us full of roast lamb, stuffed peppers, stuffed onions, veal pie, spinach pie, cheese, chicken soup, big salads, home made bread, pickled tomatoes, pickled cabbage, baklava and other sweets/cakes, coffee, and as always the plum brandy! My god, I could not move. Then we were also invited to our friends' house for the afternoon get-together, at which I had to decline most of what was put out for guests to graze on... but as usual I could not resist Zinka's spinach pie! The remaining Bajram days were also a food-and-coffee-and-brandy-fest as we did the rounds of visits. The custom is to greet everyone by saying 'Bajram bajricula' (have a blessed bajram), and the reply is 'Allah Razullah' (god's blessings for you).

So with all this partying under our belts we are back at our harvesting, getting the last of it in before the winter sets in. It is autumnal at the moment and the colours are beautiful as always, but it won't last long. Snow sometimes falls in late October and is the start of a winter that continues until April.

WelliesAndPyjamas · 07/10/2008 09:47

Meant to mention above - DS was also thrilled to be included this year in the tradition of giving money as gifts to children on Bajram. He accumulated about 15 marks (about £5) - not bad for a five year old! The older you are the more you get (and I noticed a bit of favouritism for the boys too!!) - our friend's teenage nephews made over £50 each!

ninedragons · 07/10/2008 15:52

Shanghai

I've probably said it before and no doubt I shall say it again, but China just tickles me.

Chinese is written both right-to-left and left-to-right. Apparently someone believes English is the same, because today I saw a vehicle with ECNALUBMA printed on the side. The letters themselves weren't reversed, so it wasn't for the purpose of being visible in rear-vision mirrors.

I used to live on Rednaxela Terrace in Hong Kong. Long ago in colonial days the signwriter was given a piece of paper saying "Alexander" but thought Alexander, Rednaxela, same same.

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