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teafortwo · 24/09/2008 15:23

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Suedonim · 20/11/2008 20:55

TM&M, oh yes, very safe, that's why we can't move for tourists in Nigeria! It's actually getting a bit 'hot' now that Xmas is on the horizon and people need money. The easiest way to get some is by robbery, so we are having to be a bit more wary. Most robberies happen later on at night though, when we're almost always at home so fingers crossed for us.

Cali, I kind of take an opposite view to you about the Giving in America. I was truly shocked the first time I saw collection boxes for foodstuffs for hungry children in America and astounded that Americans were happy to admit that in their land of plenty, some people had nothing to eat. Ds says the inequality in the US is one of the things he finds hardest about living there, especially after a 24yo guy he knew died of pneumonia because he had no health insurance.

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Suedonim · 20/11/2008 23:34

I agree about the generosity of individual Americans, Cali, I think the ones we know would all give you the shirt off their backs, if you asked. It's the politics of a country that is so incredibly rich yet is apparently willing to have hungry children on its streets that gets me. Though maybe that will change, come Jan 20th.

Re adoption, I may be wrong but I get the feeling it's easier to adopt in the US than in the UK. Ds1 knows someone considering adopting (no natural children but not infertile) and it seems there are fewer hoops to jump through and less suspicion as to motive, plus much less red tape.

Themasterandmargaritas · 21/11/2008 05:50

FOOC Nairobi, weather is 24 deg, sunshine and not a cloud in the sky.

I want a GayDH too. Can you find me one in California please and send him over? They are a little thin on the ground here.

Sue at the poster heist. We too are coming into the season of robberies and carjackings. But at least the sun is shining.

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MmeLindt · 21/11/2008 14:07

Califrau
If your gayDH ever wants a holiday in Geneva, let me know

Suedonim · 21/11/2008 16:53

FOOC Nigeria.

Hot & sunny

I can't believe I'm typing this but I witnessed an armed robbery today and still have wobbly legs about it. I was in the car in a traffic queue on my way home from shopping when I heard a bang. Usually it's a vehicle backfiring or a tyre burst but when a man ran around the car in front of us and leapt onto an okada (motorcycle taxi) with people in hot pursuit, alarm bells rang for me. It seems the thief had grabbed a bagful of money from someone emerging from the nearby bank and taken a shot at him, thankfully missing.

The thief sped off but somehow came off the okada so he threw away the bag of money he was holding and legged it as fast as he could. There were people running all over the place and a lot of shooting, probably at least 50 rounds. I was blardy terrified and called dh so he could let his firm's security know. I even crouched down on the floor in the back of the car.

The thief made his escape over a fence and the area was saturated with even more police. My driver spotted a gap behind us and deftly managed to turn down a side road away from the chaos. Bizarrely, everyone else seemed to be heading towards the crime scene, to have a butchers! And being Nigeria, there was also the comic element, with people hurriedly gathering up the money escaping from the discarded bag, whilst all around them was shot and shell!

As I made my way home I could hear more shots being fired in the distance but eventually got on the road home safely. But by then dd has texted me to say she was on the school bus and that all traffic had come to a halt as road blocks had been set up.I'd also just had a text warning that some robbers were trying to escape by boat and dd's bus was sitting right by the waterside. Thankfully, she texted a few minutes later to say the bus was now on its way but that the kids were all excited as the police had a man pinned down at the side of the road. Whether it was 'our' thief I don't know, but today has been a bad one for robberies, with at least two others taking place and including four deaths amongst innocent victims. Roll on 7th Dec when we return to sleepy Aberdeenshire.

TheMadHouse · 21/11/2008 18:07

Sue how scarey is that. I can imagine them all running towards the bag and grabing the money

Fooc - N Yorkshire 2.9 degrees and wet.

Weather is the big thing in our house as it is DHN's birthday today and I bought him a weather station. It is so cool. Inside and outside temp and humidity, moon phases, sunset and sunrise, moonset and moonrise, baromoeter, weather forcast etc.

He was so chuffed with it - it appeals to the geek in him.

Cali - every woman should have a Gay DH.

teafortwo · 21/11/2008 19:03

Oh Sue!!! Sounds completely, unbelievably, overwhelmingly, scary!!!

I think, after that awful experience, you should seriously look into getting a Gay DH to cheer you up and keep you going until Christmas!!!

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Themasterandmargaritas · 21/11/2008 19:45

Sue. You have my sympathies. Once in Cameroon there was a HUGE fire in a sports shop, I was there when it started and I rushed dd into the car and fled as quickly as I could, to my horror all the local folk were FLOCKING to the fire to see if they could get their hands on a pair of trainers!

I'm going to start a thread about Cali's Gay DH.

Suedonim · 21/11/2008 19:57

But where will I get one? There aren't any gays in Nigeria. Apparently. And I'm not sure they'd let me import one.

Themasterandmargaritas · 21/11/2008 20:02

Imagine the duty you'd have to pay. That's why I'm appealing for help to find one. Perhaps we could share one? He could shuttle easily enough between Nairobi and Lagos. He could masquerade as an air steward.

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Suedonim · 21/11/2008 21:03

Doesn't he have any brothers, Cali? Lol at your mum.

Good grief, the duty would be the least of it, TM&M. I'd have to pay a fortune in dashes, too. But I shall eye up any likely-looking (that'll be all of them, then. ) air stewards on my trip home.

Cies · 22/11/2008 15:24

Lol @ all of you wanting a gay DH . I'll join in and offer him a holiday in northern Spain if he fancies it!

@ Suedonim and the armed robbery.

fooc Galicia

Sunny and cloudy, 17 degrees.

The economic situation is still at the forefront of most people's minds, and job security is the big worry.

Many companies are announcing redundancies and reduced working hours, which obviously don't sit well with workers. There is a large Citroen factory in Vigo, which has announced it's going to close one of its production lines soon, affecting not only its workers but also all those in ancillary companies and factories.

In the local paper last weekend there was a story of 5 families who have declared themselves bankrupt because they are simply unable to meet the repayments on their mortgages and loans after one of the couple lost their job.

There are daily demonstrations calling for government funds to allay the crisis. The demonstrators cut off the main squares and access roads in the city, causing huge traffic jams at rush hour. I always manage to get caught up in them, and don't know the back ways well enough to find another route. It's fun trying though!

Suedonim · 22/11/2008 15:54

The economic crisis seems to be affecting every part of the world, doesn't it?

Update on the robbery. The thief was apprehended and shot dead later yesterday afternoon. At least, the police force claim it was the robber....

Sibble · 22/11/2008 18:24

Suedonim very scary. I remember a few years ago when I'd not long been here. Took ds1 to beach at bank holiday. It was packed, hardly an inch of sand which is VERY unusual here. WOndered why a crowd was gathering nearby. Thought I'd pop over to shop to buy ice creams and couldn't get through. ANyway, carried on building sand castles amidsts screaching of tyres then crowd dispersed and helicpoter appeared overhead. Apparantly 2 gangs from town had met, fight had broken out with metal chains, knives and a chainsaw. One gang was trying to hack the head of a guy with a chiansaw while I was building sandcastles oblivious a few feet away.

Anyway, yesterday different beach.........hot sunny about 24 degrees

DH in Brisbane for cricket and rugby jolly so took ds's to beach. We caught crabs, built sandcastles, went for beach walk to watch brave surfers (it's still spring and when the sun goes behind a cloud it's cold!), played tennis, surfed. Ds2 is so cute with his surf board and he body boards very well for a 4 year old (proud mummy face). Ds1 is quite scary out so just his head is above water waiting for the perfect wave to ride. Me - no board yesterday - bobbing about chest high in water watching vigilently shouting go, go, when a good wave came. Trying to keep warm. The salty wind on your face, the smell of fish and chips - summer is just around the corner I can feel it.

MmeLindt · 22/11/2008 20:53

Suedonim
How scary for you. Makes me glad to be in boring old Switzerland.

Sibble
at summer being around the corner

It started to snow here today, great excitement all round but it was just a flurry or two. Right before we put the DC to bed, we had some really big fluffy snowflakes, it looked like it would snow for hours then it just stopped again. I hope it starts again during the night otherwise I am going to have 2 disappointed children in the morning.

It is very cold here at the moment, and I am glad of the open fire in the evenings. I don't think it gives off much heat, but the room just feels warmer.

I have been fascinated by the hanging baskets in the towns around Geneva, full and overflowing with chrysanthemums. I took a photo at the local garden centre to let you see what I mean. I have never seen chrysaths growing like that.

Suedonim · 23/11/2008 14:15

at the chrysanths. Don't they go all black and yukky in the cold temps?

And at your sandcastle building, Sibble, whilst chaos reigned all round you!

Jacksmama · 23/11/2008 14:37

Hi, is DOONEYGIRL around?
(If anyone spots her on any other thread could you tell her I have a question for her? Thank you!!)
Just wondering about a post from about a month ago, dooneygirl, you mentioned giving your LO turmeric in agave syrup to clear congestion. Do you make it yourself? Or do you buy it, and if so, where?

MmeLindt · 23/11/2008 14:38

My chrysanths are still flowering. It has only been really cold a day or two so that might change shortly.

FOOC Geneva Switzerland

Sunny, 2°C

The snowfall last night was a short one and by this afternoon it was all gone. It was here long enough for the DC to play in the garden. There is a lot of snow on the hills in the distance. We will be buying a sledge for the DC's christmas.

The other thing that we are looking for as a Christmas pressie (for me as much as for the DC) is a dog. I have persuaded DH that it would be great to have a puppy, he is still a bit reluctant but is coming around to the idea. I spent an hour or so searching the web for info about the best breed of dogs (and asked MN for advice of course). The result was that I decided that I would like a West Highland Terrier, DH preferred the Border Terriers. We even found a breeder with a dog available but took a deep breath when she told us the price of CHF 2000 (around 1000 pounds)

Looks like the Lindt family will be getting a Heinz 57 varieties dog then.

TheMadHouse · 23/11/2008 18:36

FOOC - North Yorkshire

Weather - We had snow

What can I say - DS1 is 3.9 years and had never really had a good layer of snow in his life. He woke this morning at 6am so excited. I managed to keep him inside until 8am and then we went for it.

We made a snowman and had so much fun throwing snowballs - see profile for pics.

we then came in for a mug of hot chocolate and a cuddle.

It has been shoprt lived though, the temp has risen and all the snow had gone just after 3pm , although DH agrees and is glad that people do not have to drive in it.

Sibble · 24/11/2008 18:12

FOOC Auckland

Weather this morning calm. The storms that have ravaged Brisbane also passed through here over the past 24 hours. Not to the same intensity but fierce all the same. My little car was blowing all over the road.

Well last night I had my citizenship ceremony. I live just south of Auckland in Manukau City (comparable to one of the Greater rather than Inner London districts). It is a colourful place to live in that it is home to most of NZ's Pacific Island and possibly maori populations. It also houses refugee centres and generally has a huge immigrant population. My figures might be slightly out but the Mayor at last nights ceremony said the district is home to 187 nationalities, worldwide there are only 194?

Anyway, a funny and weird affair it was. 300 of us packed into a stadium with equal numbers of viewers/family supporters. Formal or traditional dress was required. I thought of going as a Pearly Queen but didn't have enough buttons . I would say at least 75% of attendees were from India dressed in vibrant colours, next Fiji and Samoa, in splendid traditional dress. Samoan families often all wear the same material made into male and female attire. Some with tradional straw hats. Lesser numbers of Chinese, a fair splattering of South Africans then a few others like me a Brit.

The cermeony started with a Karakia (Maori prayer) by an eminent leader, swiftly onto a few Waiatas (songs) by a local Maori school with the leader telling the story in maori over the top. Guitars, bare feet and lots of hand waving. Then our Mayor got up and did his bit including not only the usual speech but a few songs - he's known as the singing mayor . Finally we had to stand and state our affirmation or oath, holding a bible, of allegiance to NZ and the Queen, then parade individually across a stage shake hands with the Mayor who engaged everybody in conversation, demanded audience participation for 3 birthdays songs, allowed children to sing cultural songs, shake hands with a local MP, receive certificates and gifts, finally sing the National Anthem in both Maori and English before we were allowed to leave. Nearly 3 hours.

All in all a very mixed affair. I'm almost ashamed to say I was just there for the certificate and passport which I will be sending off for today to make travelling with the family easier (they all have dual nationality). I also felt a bit weird in that a big thing was denouncing your birth citizenship. We are lucky we don't have to surrender our British passports. I realised how 'British' I feel. I couldn't have applied if I had lost my passport, it is my heritage. For some there though, refugees, those who have struggled, those for whom being in NZ gives them opportunity and a better life, the ceremony would have taken on a different perspective. The Samoans took everything very seriously but with a big jolly party atmosphere. Much cheering everytime anybody Samoan was announced, lots of hugs and kisses for the Mayor. I positively thought he was going to drown in one set of boobs, much to his delight. ALl in all a very fine, if werid, affair. And to think dh was sent his citizenship certificate in the post in the UK.

Well signing off for now - as a kiwi .

Cies · 24/11/2008 20:58

Congratulations Sibble. That ceremony sounds so vibrant and enthusiastic. You're right about the comparison with UK foreign office proceedings.

teafortwo · 24/11/2008 23:28

WOWZA - sounds fun sibble!!!

mmelindt - does your daughter write in English???

You see...I saw this and thought of her...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/one_child_families/653985-Looking-for-a-pen-pal-for-a-6-year-old

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