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teafortwo · 24/09/2008 15:23

Old thread...
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/2423/576865?ts=1222265998268&msgid=12499051

New thread...

to be created below!

Enjoy!

OP posts:
Jacksmama · 09/11/2008 16:36

eidsvold, I drove through Coeur D'Alene on my way out to the West Coast when I moved there and thought it was gorgeous. Then I found out later that it's the Neo-Nazi capital of the West!! A girlfriend of mine was thinking of moving there and did some local research and found this out...

MmeLindt · 09/11/2008 17:00

I am also fascinated and horrified by Suedonims posts.

TheMadHouse
Now you have me imagining a kind of Heriot-like idyllic MadHouseFamily, visiting wellie-wearing lady cows shivering in the barn waiting for warmer weather.
A relative lives in Dumfries and Galloway, in a very rural area and took us to a milk farm a few years ago. It was very hitech, the milking machines knew which cow had wandered in and how to milk her. They went around in a kind of cow carousel as they were milked.

We have had a visitor for the past few days, a lovely friend from Germany, originally a Geordie lass. It was great to have a friend from home here. We spent the morning at the farmer's market in Carouge yesterday.

I have noticed that the markets here are very busy, people not just looking but shopping. From what we can see, the Swiss seem to spend a lot more money on food than the average German. The market yesterday was fantastic, wine, chocolate, truffles, cheese, vegetable so varied that we did not even recognise them. There was even a stall with home made tea cosies, very cup cake and bunting looking.

Themasterandmargaritas · 09/11/2008 17:58

FOOC from Kenya Obama Land

Weather: it's been raining all weekend apparently, but I haven't seen it because dh and I went to Zanzibar on a freebie trip without the dc and the sun was shining there.

Post US election fever is still high here in Kenya. Friday's most serious broadsheet devoted 80% of it's coverage to his win. Here's a summary of the news:

First - the village where his grandmother lives is having electricity installed as we speak.

Second - the same village now has a lovely smooth murram road for the first time ever.

Third - the grandmother's compound now has a permanent police guard.

Fourth - Obama's 'aunt' has been discovered living in Boston illegally.

Fifth - Hotels in Western Kenya (about as far removed a holiday spot as Lagos) are gearing up for the anticipated rapid influx of visitors to the area, visiting Obama's father's village.

Sixth - Obama's father used to work for the now President Kibaki.

Seventh - East African Breweries, the major beer producer of the country has launched a limited edition beer called 'The President'.

And finally, we all had an impromptu public holiday on Thursday to mark the great man's victory.

Sue - Kenya currently has a national campaign to prevent teachers from abusing their students

We also had a Goodies bakery in Douala - is it a chain? Owned by the Lebanese?

Good luck diddy with the baby.

SuperBunny · 09/11/2008 18:29

That story about the witches made me feel sick

SuperBunny · 09/11/2008 18:38

theM&M, what fascinating stories. I haven't heard any of them! People here seem rather bemused about the fuss from overseas. I shall take great delight in telling them what is happening in Kenya.

Suedonim · 09/11/2008 19:48

TM&M, it sounds like the same Goodies, as there are three in Lagos and they're Lebanese owned/run.

Lol at the Obama effect in Kenya. I'm surprised Nigeria hasn't also declared a holiday - they seem to for just about everything else of note!

Sibble · 09/11/2008 23:47

wow, the witches article is truly horrifying.

Suedonim · 10/11/2008 17:25

It is, isn't it? Maybe someone could watch the documentary on Weds and see if there's any way to help the children with a donation to a home or something.

TM&M, teachers in Nigeria tend to be people who have failed to get into any other post-school educational establishment. Sometimes they're barely literate themselves. That and the low pay means the profession is in a desperate state.

SuperBunny · 10/11/2008 18:52

FOOC in Chicago

Well, the novelty of having a president in our midst is wearing off. ALL the streets were closed this morning when Obama dropped his girls off at school. I think he is in DC now which means things should be less chaotic here. I expect many of the children were late for school today as no-one could get anywhere near. It's opposite my apartment and I have to go there twice a week. People are beginning to feel a bit miffed at how frequently they are inconvenienced by road closures, especially those that live on the same block as Obama.

Suedonim · 10/11/2008 23:17

Don't worry, they'll be moving on 20th January.

TheMadHouse · 11/11/2008 12:10

I think the witches thing is so sad I am not sure I have the stomach to watch it though. I find these sort of things really upset me.

It is a bright autumnal day in N Yorkshire - temp of 7.2 degrees.

I went ice (without the ice) skating with DS1 at his school yesterday. He put me to shame and had a lovley 35 minutes one on one time with him. Why to ice skates hurt so much?

MmeLindt · 11/11/2008 13:21

Themadhouse
I cannot watch things like that either, in fact I have not even clicked on the link as your reactions were enough to make me know that I would find it very upsetting.

FOOC Geneva
Weather: Rain again, after a lovely couple of days at the weekend.

I have been doing some online shopping today and I am finding it a bit frustrating here in Switzerland. Many companies that I used to use do not deliver to CH, some deliver but not all items (electrical and computer equipment) presumably because of customs restrictions. The prices here in CH tend to be a wee bit higher so it is frustrating. Do you know that the Swiss have different sizes of standard machines for the kitchen. The units are 5cm narrower than the normal European standards so that we have to buy Swiss products. It is quite bizzare.

We also have different plugs, 2-pronged ones like in Germany but also 3-pronged ones. The 2-pronged ones have a different shape, as do the sockets so plugs of our German appliances often don't fit. We have bought about 10 adapters so far. At least the new things that we buy have Swiss plugs.

I am now waiting impatiently for my hoover to arrive, and a package to get here from Amazon.co.uk with DD's Christmas presents.

Suedonim · 11/11/2008 20:21

FOOC Nigeria

Hot, thunder storm, rain.

Yesterday dd2 and I went to collect dh from work, something we haven't done for a week or two. I was mightily startled to see this Sunborn looming over Lagos Island, dwarfing everything in its vicinity. A quick Google brought up this information. An astonishing development, when one considers the lack of even the most basic utilities endured by the denizens of Lagos. Perhaps it will be Nigeria's Titanic?

frannikin · 11/11/2008 20:31

This is my first FOOC post - please be gentle!

FOOC Paris

Weather: was gorgeous and sunny but ruined it all by raining this evening after a really fantastic sunset with pink and purple clouds and everything!

Today was Armistice Day, which here is a national holiday, although I still ended up working with a child off school. Being of the opinion that he is 7 and therefore old enough to know the why of his day of school. Plus with my OH being in the military I felt at least some kind of responsibility. I had grand plans to find a parade of some kind, possibly some kind of wreath laying ceremony...very English apparently. I couldn't find details of anything remotely near us and was, quite frankly, horrified. We live literally down the road from Les Invalides (I can pop out the front door and see it!) and just over from L'Ecole Militaire. So I bundled him out the house at 10.30 for a quick whip round Les Invalides and the permanent exhibition they have there about the 2 World Wars. He wasn't terribly keen, his idea of a day off school being: read a bit, play with his train set, play football outside, meet up with friends for lunch....the usual. Except all said friends are spending time with their parents and not their nannies/governesses - it's just me that gets to work national holidays round here apparently.

I will never cease to be amazed by the capacity of 7 year olds to amaze me. I was expecting him to whinge and whine his way round Les Invalides, where there were flowers at the memorial I was glad to see, and only be interested in the explosives in the exhibition. Instead he stood and thought for a good 2 minutes in front of the war memorial and turned round to me saying "It must have been really brave of them to die and get hurt for France. I'm very glad they did." I nearly cried. Then we went around the exhibition and he was so interested in the maps and the politics and the strategy and the WHY of it all that I nearly cried again. We spent 2 hours there and we only did WWI. I've promised him that on the 8th of May if I'm working we'll go and do WWII.

I think it's only right that children today grow up remembering the events of last century. There won't be many veterans left to remind them of those awful times so they will have to learn them from history books and from us.

I'll leave you with a wish for peace wherever you may be but especially if you are living in an area afflicted by conflict.

Those who died for us, I will not forgot. Please remember them too.

teafortwo · 11/11/2008 22:04

fooc Paris/ Sidi Bou Said, Tunis

Welcome to the foocs frannikin. What an excellent first post. I am impressed! Please post lots more!!! So - Here is my report on my holiday to Sidi Bou Said

A few weeks ago a young friend of mine msned me. From what I understood from her text speak, she was in love for the first time but the girl in question was not in love with her anymore. I explained to my friend that she is young, life is not a Disney film and love is rarely felt only between two people. In-fact, I explained (with The Long Blondes - Once and Never Again playing in my head throughout) that in our lives we will meet many people who we love. Some are for keeps some are for delicious moments that will stay with us forever. She said something like ?LOL ? dat iz so funi - it as bin delicious?. What I didn?t know is that I would be adding the word place as well as people and would be saying the same thing to comfort myself on the plane back from Sidi Bou Said, Tunis. You see, like my friend's love affair, our little holiday was a delicious moment and it was very sad to let it end.

Sidi Bou Said, Tunis and all around this area of Tunisia is like a rough diamond. Beautiful blue skies, cute houses painted white and blue, friendly people and warmth that shines through the dictator, Zine Abbidine Ben Ali?s many flags, banners and portraits, the litter and general (to my English eyes) disorganisation!

I loved sitting in our local café in the evening listening to music and chatting with a few of the locals who kindly adopted us for our stay 87.98.222.182/0/29/64/39/23_-sidi-bou-sa_d___le_caf__des_nattes._1974.jpg, walking through the Medina with dd on my shoulders and peering through a doorway to see three men in semi darkness sewing shoes (the Medina is truly so beautiful that time has refused to make a mark on it), walking along a beach with villas with backdoors opening onto the grubby but still very romantic sands, gasping at the subtle mosaics in the Musee Bardo, enjoying the sounds of the arabic language, giggling about how French Tunisia often feels and feeling butterflies in my stomach while looking round a stately home.

The stately home in question was Dar Nejma Ezzahra. It was created by Baron d'Erlanger in the 1920s. It is a mock palace and a whimsical blend of Oriental and European interior design and furnishing. The views from the manicured gardens are wonderful and no detail is overlooked inside the palace. For example he designed a small stream of Jasmine oil to run throughout the building so each room smelt of the Tunisians national flower. Every cornice and skirting board is gilded, painted, enamelled or tiled. It is a beautiful giant jewelry box that drew artists and musicians from across Europe and Tunisia. The butterflies in my tummy were particularly fluttery because we were the first people (perhaps the only) to visit that day. So each room was lit for us as we entered and the one man looking after the place gave us a private tour pulling back the barriers and whispering ? ?Entre? seeing as it was just us, and he was hoping for a tip, we could look as closely as we wanted!

So, to sum up my holiday ? I would say ?it as bin delicious?

Oh ? and for the Americans among us ? It is forbidden to speak about politics in Tunisia. As far as I could tell Obama being elected was very low key. A news event. Fact ? Obama won - not much comment. Although one man did say to us ?It doesn?t matter who they vote for. In the states the politics is the same.?

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MmeLindt · 12/11/2008 09:24

at the yacht, Suedonim. I read some of the comments on the newspaper website, it seems you are not along in your views.

The Germans do not celebrate Armistice Day but we do have an incredibly important date in the month of November, the 9th.

This date is often referred to as the Schicksalstag, literally the Day of Fate. It is a very special date in the history of Germany as for some strange reason, many historical events have taken place on this day.

In 1848 the liberal leader Robert Blum was arrested in the Vienna revolts and executed. This was seen as the symbolic event for the failure of the Revolutions of the German states in that year.

In 1918 the monarchy in Germany ends with the dethroning of Kaiser Wilhelm II in the November Revolution. Phillipp Schneideman proclaims the Weimar Republic

In 1923 the Hitler-Ludendorff-Putsch (in English sometimes called the Beer Hall Putsch) was on the 9th November. This was a failed coup d'état in which Hitler and other National Socialists tried to take control of Munich and the federal state of Bavaria. Hitler failed and was arrested and imprisoned for five years, during which time he wrote Mein Kampf. The failed coup d'état was the first time the National Socialists had been reported in the national press, and was a propoganda victory for Hitler.

In 1938, the socalled Reichskristallnacht, synagogues and Jewish property were burned and destroyed. This was for many the day the radical antisemitic policies of Nazi Germany became apparent. It was the day that the Nazis went from discrimination and intimidation on to widespread murder and ethnic cleansing. More than 1300 Jews were killed and from the 10th November the transports to the concentration camps began.

In 1989, at last we had something positive to celebrate. Günther Schabowski, a member of the East German Politbüros is holding a mindnumbingly boring press conference when an italian journalist asks a question. Schabowski pulls a piece of paper out of his jacket, he had only glanced at it earlier and should not have read it until the next morning.

During lunch the Politbüro had decided to allow East Germans to travel outwith the DDR, with the permission granted by the police. This was in the hope of stemming the tide of fleeing citizens through the former Czechoslovaki. As Schabowski read the statement the tired journalists began to sit up and take notice of what was going on. One journalist asked from when the new rule would be observed. Schabowski was a bit flustered and reread the note, then stumbled through a statement that send shockwaves through both East and West Germany.

"Privatreisen nach dem Ausland können ohne Vorliegen von Voraussetzungen (Reiseanlässe und Verwandtschaftsverhältnisse) beantragt werden. Die Genehmigungen werden kurzfristig erteilt. Ständige Ausreisen können über alle Grenzübergangsstellen der DDR zur BRD erfolgen. Das tritt nach meiner Kenntnis ? ist das sofort, unverzüglich.?

Basically, private journeys to a foreign country can be undertaken without stating reasons, permission will be granted at short notice. Permanent departures would be permitted at every border crossing. This, as far as I know, comes into craft immediately.

This was supposed to be announced in the dead of the night to prevent panic and chaos. As it was, the slightly bemused East Germans slowly realised what had been said, and started making their way to the borders in Berlin where they, cautiously at first then more boldly, passed into West Germany, into the arms and hearts of their West German neighbours.

MmeLindt · 12/11/2008 09:36

Can anyone watch this without tears in their eyes?

Themasterandmargaritas · 12/11/2008 10:45

There are some really moving moments in history. Yesterday as I watched on TV one of Britain's oldest WWI war veterans (there were three there, 108, 110 and 112 years old) cling onto his poppy wreath, I admit to shedding a few tears watching how his emotions overcame him.

As for that yacht, Sue .

Cies · 12/11/2008 11:29

Fooc Galicia

I have been unable to watch any of those links without tears MmeLindt.

And Suedonim, the story of the child witches is so and .

Welcome Frannikin

And I'm very of you teafortwo. Sounds like a fabulous holiday.

Nothing much to report here. I've been working hard so no time for investigation for FOOC. I can only say that the crisis is hitting hard - out for lunch on Saturday, and we were the only clients out of maybe 15 tables.

BriocheDoree · 12/11/2008 19:16

FOOC Paris West Suburbs
and at the witches and the yacht (although I have heard about the child witches before - e.g. the little girl in South London who was tortured and killed by her aunt because they thought she was a witch). As a parent of a child with (fairly mild) SN it particularly scares me because in a less aware / less sympathetic world any child who can't walk or talk or looks different is likely to be singled out for this kind of treatment.
I am also at teafortwo's holiday. Sounds lurvely. I always wanted to go to Tunisia or Morocco - DD would love all the sights and sounds, I'm sure - she loves colour and hustle and bustle!
Welcome Frannikin! Well done for taking your "charge" to Les Invalides. We went to an English pub for lunch on Sunday and they were showing the laying of wreaths at the Cenotaph. Made me realise that I have never even begun to explain any of this stuff to DD. She's only 4, so still young, but she didn't even realise who the Queen was, or why all these people were wearing black with red flowers on their coats. Don't really know where to begin with the whole "war" thing...Also, Frannikin, if it makes you feel any better, my DH was also working on Tuesday so you weren't the only one (not that he's a nanny, obviously).
Last week I went into school with DD because her teacher wanted to show the kids how to make apple crumble. Cue confusion from her class as to why I speak French and DD doesn't, and much amusement at DS's antics (toddlers and cooking, not a good combo). Unfortunately the school's oven doesn't work very well and the crumble was a bit burnt so I'm not sure that it was a very good advert for English cooking! However, I did also take in some crème anglaise so at least they could eat the crumble with custard!

Suedonim · 13/11/2008 17:52

FOOC Nigeria

Hot & Harmattan

Nigeria obviously has money to burn, despite so many of the population living in poverty, because it apparently spent £228m on a satellite last year. Shame it's now gone dramatically wrong. It has suffered the same problem as the rest of Nigeria - a lack of power. And FYI, the wet season is from April-July and Sept-Nov and Harmattan from Jan-Mar, leaving only August and December as months where a full service could have been expected.

I also learnt today that a small shopping mall in Lagos is not what it seems. It's a curious, desolate, despressing affair with few shops, despite being new and attractive from the outside, with stone facings etc. It was seemingly built as the new home for the National Museum next door but somewhere along the line has been 'misappropriated' and turned into an unloved mall.

The museum does its best, despite being housed in ropey old prefab-type sheds. It has some interesting artefacts and the staff are very keen to tell you about the place. They also have an artist-in-residence. They are trying to open a museum shop in the mall which must be small beer compared to the museum they could have had there.

Re the witchhunt, I think this outbreak is particularly notable because it seems to be church-sanctioned and a money-making scheme. I don't know how these people sleep at night, I really don't. The same goes for the people involved in killing albinos in Tanzania for witchcraft. I won't put a link here but BBC has plenty on its website about it.

Califrau · 13/11/2008 18:01

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TheMadHouse · 13/11/2008 18:08

OMG It did say it was 1000x exaggeration, but even so I am

Suedonim · 13/11/2008 18:25

Oh and T42, when you say talking about politics is forbidden in Tunisia, did you mean forbidden by law or that's it a taboo subject.

Suedonim · 13/11/2008 18:28

I saw that when I was at home, Cali and went "Gulp". I've just emailed ds1 in LA about the earthquake drill taking place in S Ca today. He emailed back to say he hadn't heard of any drill and in any case, being British, he plans to simply run around shouting 'Don't panic, don't panic!'