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Stay or cut losses? How did life in home country change for you?

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Belen82 · 15/09/2024 01:58

Back story - have had wanderlust since my late teens, spent many years studying or interning abroad in my twenties. From Australia. Always insisted it was my dream to experience expat life, live abroad on a more permanent basis (previous experiences were short term). Felt a pang when hearing stories of those who had lived these adventures abroad (inspired by them, but feeling I desperately that for myself too). Strongly believed we have one life and experiencing as much of the world as possible was the best thing one could do with life.

Fast forward many failed attempts to get jobs abroad, pandemic hit and I was forced to rethink my life plan. Had always wanted to not have kids until moving abroad (fear I would get ‘stuck’ otherwise), but was now late 30s. Went deep / had some life changing challenges, had a baby (in Aus) really invested in my social network (made a huge group of quality mum friends) and the first year of my childs life was the best in my life. Felt whole, content, and just a deep sense of happiness and fulfilment.

And ironically - my husband then secures a job abroad in Europe. I can honestly say I didn’t want to go. But my husband had pushed hard to find an opportunity purely based on a decade of me pushing for this. We were afraid of regretting opportunities not taken, and I reluctantly went, leaving behind this wonderful life I had created for myself and family.

it’s coming up to a year abroad and it’s been a struggle. It’s a transient expat town, and I don’t vibe with the local culture. I physically ache thinking of all that I’ve missed at home, and truly fear that those friendships and connections won’t be the same when I return. It feels lose lose - everything here is temporary, and the sustainable life I left in Aus feels like it could be lost (even though I work hard to keep in contact). I just feel like, the time has passed.

My husband is not as worried about that, likes the job and his career move has been amazing. I feel guilt because he has done this for me, he was happy to stay put and now I want to leave. I’m also worried that I may have romanticised a short term part of life (first maternity leave) and it’s not a good basis for making life decisions. Or am I just over the wanderlust and accepting grass isn’t always greener.

Thats was long - question is, do I throw in the towel, we quit earlier and come home? Or do we stick it our the original term (3 years)? Has anyone done this and felt that their life / friendships at home were never the same?

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Belen82 · 15/09/2024 10:47

Anyone?

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Hydrangea58 · 15/09/2024 10:52

As it's a fixed term of 3 years, you would be better staying where you are. Friendships change with time, and I wouldn't make such a life changing decision based on the friends you used to have.
When your child starts school, there will be opportunities to make new friends.

minicrocodile · 15/09/2024 15:56

From experience of this it's also a bit chicken and egg. When you're pining for home you're not really properly investing in your current life and putting down links there. Which makes you feel more disconnected because you haven't yet made the life you want. Which makes you put up those internal barriers ...

Something to reflect on. I've definitely done this and also seen it in others.

Also, as it's a short term posting think of all the good things you can do in your country you won't be able to do when you go back to Australia. Fly round Europe for weekend breaks, eat the food you won't get, hike the countryside ... Whatever it is the country you're in has to offer.

Have the adventure you dreamed about because the rest of the contract will go by in a flash, no matter what it feels like today

minicrocodile · 15/09/2024 15:58

Also 'maternity leave goggles' is definitely a thing. I too had a super tight group of friends that year - you're all going through the same experience and it's very intense. As people start to go back to work, and then second babies start arriving the group/those friendships aren't accorded the same priority and things drift. Definitely not something to base an international move on!

Belen82 · 15/09/2024 16:22

Really appreciating these comments and thoughts! Thank you both.

@minicrocodile the chicken & egg is 100% true, I had the amazing social life on maternity leave because I organised a group and social catch ups weekly… whereas I don’t put that effort in here … I think it’s because things felt more permanent in Aus, whereas this is an expat town with people coming and going all the time and no one will still be here in 5 or so years… but even so, could make life long friends, you really never know. Thanks for the thoughts to ponder

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Belen82 · 15/09/2024 16:25

I think I also feel sad that I’m not sharing my child (and baby on the way) babyhood with anyone that is more permanent in my life… I am pretty estranged from family unfortunately, so I valued that much more than expected… but then also it could be an illusion (how much friends around me really care about witnessing my children’s babyhood)

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minicrocodile · 15/09/2024 18:54

I think it's so easy to forget two things

1 Friendships take time to build wherever you are, and I think when you move somewhere and start to build your network you are far more impatient than you'd be at home because you're starting from scratch. Others have literally more friends and less 'space' in their lives to you, because you've just started there and they have the head start provided by arriving 2 years earlier or whatever

When we move to a new country we don't realise how much our perception is skewed by the fact that our lives 'there' are empty and that we didn't build our lives at home in a week

2 Friendships come in many forms and I am a very strong believer that 'friends for a season' are no less valuable to us. And indeed, 'friends for life' often begin as 'friends for a season'. Not all friendships have to last forever, or maintain the intensity they had when they were formed. In a few years when you've inevitably drifted from some of your 'mum' friends it won't mean that those friendships weren't valuable or uplifting, and it's the same with friends you make now.

Get out of your head and live for the now/your current adventure ☺️

minicrocodile · 15/09/2024 19:01

Belen82 · 15/09/2024 16:25

I think I also feel sad that I’m not sharing my child (and baby on the way) babyhood with anyone that is more permanent in my life… I am pretty estranged from family unfortunately, so I valued that much more than expected… but then also it could be an illusion (how much friends around me really care about witnessing my children’s babyhood)

As someone estranged from a parent I also understand this. And I'm so envious of lots of people around me who have close families all here.

But that's just not my circumstances. If we were in the U.K. I wouldn't want to live where my dad lives anyway. And it's absolutely the wrong thing to do to have those expectations of friends. Because as wonderful as friends are, we all do what's best for our family

I went through this when all my friends left London, the bastards! We were supposed to all be one big happy extended family and we've ended up all over the U.K. - and me going the furthest of all!

Honestly, I did a lot of work on this with my therapist. I desperately wanted to create that extremely close relationship because of what I felt lacking in my own childhood, but we can only do what's best in our circumstances

Belen82 · 15/09/2024 19:21

This is all great advice, thanks for sharing. I probably also crave that closeness and stability with friendships to make up for the underwhelming relationships I have in the family space (both mine and my DHs). It’s not easy is it!

How long have you been away from home for ? And do you feel like you’ve lost your friendships from home, or they’ve evolved as they would have in any case?

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Belen82 · 15/09/2024 19:23

Also I think this is why it was hard to leave in the first place - having had more belonging than ever for the first time being a mum and connecting with others on the journey

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Accomodationsharing · 15/09/2024 19:33

Stick it up for the 3 years, make the most of being in Europe but definitely go home after and make most of it and make it your permanent home for you and your family when you return. 3 years will fly.

BeringBlue · 16/09/2024 22:07

When DC1 was a toddler I lived in a European expat town where people were always moving on, but a group of us got together and formed an extremely tight bond the like of which I hadn't had before and haven't had since. Lots of us had DC2s in that time and it was great fun!

Belen82 · 17/09/2024 03:39

@BeringBlue thanks for sharing your experience. Have you returned to your home town since? And if so how did you find rebuilding your networks and connections there? Are you still in touch with this group from your expat days?

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BeringBlue · 19/09/2024 22:16

I did return to my "hometown" (well, where I was living before we moved to Europe) and it was a struggle for a couple of years because most of the closest friends I had didn't have children or had gone back to work. But then DC1 started primary school, and I made a few really good friends through that, and my best friends started having children.
Yes, I am still in touch with friends from my expat days, although our kids are all grown up now. We still met up regularly as a group/families for about 6 or 7 years after I moved back to the UK and then it became more one-on-one.

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