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Seriously considering move to Bordeaux ... can I pick brains please?!

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lacarete · 09/03/2008 22:28

We are considering moving to Bordeaux and I know a few people are in that area so thought I'd ask your advice ... some a bit specific!

First general French stuff - what is the work situation really like? (we both speak fluent French). Is it really as tough as it seems to find work and is Bordeaux any different to the rest of France?

How does cost of living compare these days?

Which area of Bordeaux should we think about for a family with young children?

How about school and childcare - ds is 3 soon so I guess he'd be old enough to start in Sept - how do you find it? dd is 9 months - are childcare options good/ reasonable?

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littlelapin · 10/03/2008 08:35

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lacarete · 10/03/2008 11:06

thanks - ggg are you about? I think you're the expert?!

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NicMac · 10/03/2008 18:59

Hi

I live in pau, which is about 2 hours south of Bordeaux so I might not be able to help too much. However, there are perhaps some similarities. The job situation is not very positive currently, even if you are fluent French speakers in my experience native applicants often take precednece. However, you could perhaps tap into a skill which uses your English such as teaching, it is useful to have a TEFL qualification. Schools are amazing, you should have no problem finding a school to take your son at 3. I have a place 2 mornings a week for DS3 who is the same age as your daughter (I'm on MAT leave at the moment) You pay according to your annual revenue and although we are in the top band we pay only 1.60 euros an hour including lunch. It can be very difficult to find place if you are not working but it just depends on the area. I love the south west of France, the people are wonderful and the climate brilliant. Good luck with all you plans.

lacarete · 10/03/2008 20:17

Wow - thanks so much. Having just written a cheque for ds's nursery I'm sold on the childcare side of things already.

dh is native, so that's something, but his family are not in that region. I have heard that employers are asking for vv high qualifications even for lower grade jobs. Is that true?

Lucky you, NicMac, went through Pau once, lovely.

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castille · 10/03/2008 21:01

A state maternelle will cost you a big fat nothing. Private (usually Catholic) maternelles will charge a nominal amount. Children can start at 3, provided they are out of nappies.

Schooling is a bit of a hot potato. Some British parents love it, others hate it so much they leave France. Be prepared for a very different approach to education all through the system.

Day nurseries for the under-threes are subsidised and charged according to income - much cheaper than UK. But salaries are generally lower, depending of course on what you do.

The unemployment situation is such that a lot of highly qualified graduates can't find jobs, so employers can demand more than they need. eg translators with masters degrees are frequently paid the minimum wage...

lacarete · 10/03/2008 21:07

Is the job situation so bad you'd advise against moving to France, Castille (if you're still about?). My in laws (in France) seem to think this.

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castille · 10/03/2008 21:12

That will depend on what sort of jobs you will be looking for. What do you both do?

lacarete · 10/03/2008 21:15

DH is in health and safety , I'd probably work freelance for UK, remotely, I think, so it's not such an issue for me.

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castille · 10/03/2008 21:25

If you are registered in France as a freelancer you'll find the social charges a bit of a shock after the UK - you pay whether you make any money or not. Very broadly you keep about 45% of your turnover I think.

Don't know anything about H&S here I'm afraid. Are the rules the same, for instance?

lacarete · 10/03/2008 21:31

hmm - I was thinking I'd pay UK tax, but I might have that all wrong!

I think so for h&s, mostly European law with a few variations, but he works for a French firm in the UK

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Othersideofthechannel · 11/03/2008 05:35

Lacarete, DH is French and we were in UK. When we moved here (northern France) he got his job first. I used to work freelance in UK but opted for employment here rather than continuing UK job remotely because of tax issues and also not knowing anyone I thought it would help for meeting people. (We didn't have any DCs then) Salary a lot lower for me but similar for DH and cost of living (particularly housing)lower so it works out ok financially.

Walkthedinosaur · 11/03/2008 06:58

Hi I live in France and work remotely from home for a UK company, but because I still have a UK address I pay my tax etc in the UK. If I paid it in France it would be pointless my working cotisations take 45% of my income and I barely earn enough to live on now, if my income was reduced to 50% of what I make I'd be really struggling. However I am aware that this isn't the right thing to be doing, but at the end of the day I've got to put food on the table and at least I'm not working cash in hand, I'm paying taxes somewhere.

ggglmpp · 11/03/2008 07:41

I live in Bordeaux and love it - am rushing around this morning so cant read thread properly but will be back later.

Or email me if you want - gggglimpopo at hotmail dot com

Diva - if you are around, have huge pile of stuff to send you, kids back at school now so can gt to post office this week.

ggglmpp · 11/03/2008 07:57

Baby has gone to sleep swo will reply while drinking my coffee.

Housing - not cheap here and going up but still a steal compared to uk. If a real bargain, there is generally a good reason.

Childcare - fab fab fab - huge range of subsidised childcare. Have lots of children and could prob advise you which nursery/etc if you wanted. Your ds woudl be in maternelle. Most people choose schools (pub or priv) near where they live as Bx is mare to get around by car. Summer - also brill here - last summer two of my children did sports weeks with everything from water skiing and sailing to archery and tree swinging for a grand £12.00 each for a full week which included two restaurant lunches and transport!

Jobs - my dh has a company and can never find staff but it is probably by sector. Bx is a thriving city and quite international and I think would be as good a place as any to try your luck. Fluent french is absolute must.

Expats - lots of them, you can either live in brit enclave (and some do, to the extent that almost never need to speak anything other than shopping french) or avoid the britpack and slot in. French speaking and kids at school helps.

Cliques - the bordelais have reputation of being like the parisiens with their cold unfriedly manner. This may be so if you come from Lyon, but have personally not had any probs.

Cost of living - have been out of uk long time so cannot answer that. Salaries much lower here, cost of housing lower, debt tolerance is nil, ditto unauthorised overdrafts. Milk, mobile phones and organic produce all much more exp than in the uk, but most other stuff either same price and better qualitly (food or clothing for example).

TV and radio are shite, books are expensive and you can't get Tayberries or gem squash. Other than that, tis brilliant.

lacarete · 11/03/2008 14:36

thanks for all this - eye opening
will email ggg, thanks

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lacarete · 11/03/2008 14:48

looks like we could buy a house with little mortgage (equity in our house) and childcare costs would save us a fortune, plus we commute so that would be more money saved ...

do you think standard of living compares well generally? (i am prepared to give up the cleaner I dreamed of all my adult life and have only just managed to afford!)

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lacarete · 11/03/2008 15:03

sorry for all these questions, have to type when i have a sec, but does anyone know where i can get tax advice on the freelance side of things?

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ggglmpp · 11/03/2008 15:24

I would come to france and rent for at least six months and get the feel for it all. For specific questions like freelancing, try um, think it is called Living France. Hang on...

ggglmpp · 11/03/2008 15:25

here or google living france and plough through the websites. Expatica is a good one.

lacarete · 11/03/2008 15:28

ah - was just about to email you! thanks for this.

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ggglmpp · 11/03/2008 15:29

Have a mexican teenager arriving this evening (exhcnage student). Has been pissing it down all day. Hope the poor girl has a sombrero in her suitcase.

lacarete · 11/03/2008 15:37

ah sunny sw france ...

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Anna8888 · 11/03/2008 15:42

I'm in Paris.

I would really caution against moving to France unless you have at least one secure salaried job to live on and that can support your family in the medium term. It can be very slow and difficult to secure a job in France and very hard indeed to get housing and utilities without a French salary.

Here in Paris schools, public transport and childcare are all much cheaper than in the UK, though housing (for equivalent quality... there is a lot of very poor accommodation in Paris) is a similar price to London IMO. Food and groceries are the same price or more expensive than in the UK.

lacarete · 11/03/2008 16:00

anna8888 - is there anywhere you'd suggest we look? The anpe website seems a bit rubbish.

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lacarete · 11/03/2008 16:11

ggg - have emailed you - thanks!

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