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Moving to Sydney

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Marygold78 · 22/05/2023 13:18

We are considering moving to Sydney. One of the main reasons for me is that I am tired of the UK grey skies and want a more outdoorsy life style, and being closer to the sea, I would be able to work there. DH is Australian. DC2 loved it there and DC1 was open to the idea, but is about to start sixth form so it will be in a couple of years.

I like Sydney but I am concerned about starting again and how far is to travel everywhere else. The company I work for have offices there so could potentially work there. I am wondering if I would feel lonely having to start making friends again, not that I have a enormous amount in the UK (didn't grow up here) but at least I have a few who I socialize with.

Do you live in Australia? are you happy there? what advice would you give to anyone considering moving.? I would like to try for a year but not sure about disrupting DC lives.

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Cormoran · 23/05/2023 21:45

It is very far from everything and everyone. Air fares have tripled compared to when we moved here. Airlines know we have no choice and that if we want to travel to see family, we will fork out the money they want.
Sydney is very expensive. We can afford it, but I still remember the shock when I did my first supermarket shop.
Housing market is nuts. The price to purchase a house is ridiculous , I could buy a French castle for that amount of money.
Our rent is per week, what we used to pay per month in Europe. We live near the sea, so be warned that if you want to be close to the beaches, it will come at a price.

However for me, the biggest con is how far and isolated Australia is.
I am from Monaco, so I had plenty of sea and outdoor at home. This means, you pro wasn't mine. I came here following my husband's posting. In three years , it will be over, and I can't wait .

Australia and Sydney are nice and pretty. But there is plenty of nice and pretty in Southern Europe, where you can take a Ryanair flight if you want to spend a weekend in Venice or a Spring break in Sardinia .

The health system is also quite weird. It is perfect at the two extremes, very healthy or very sick, and crap in the middle, if you need to see a specialist or have exams. Free GPs are long gone where I live, in the Northern Beaches. If you need surgery - they call it elective, even if essential - unless it is an emergency, you wait a couple of years, however the same surgeon can operate on you, next week if you go private, and private health care is again very weird. It doesn't cover specialists visits or exams. It is mostly to cover for hospital costs, leaving the cost of the surgeons, anaesthetist to you.

It is a bit hard to make friends when you are older, because people here already have their friends, and already have little time to see their friends.

Art and culture is also a bit low. There are a few amazing theatre company such a Sydney theatre, but shows are very expensive compared to Europe. Museums are limited. Collections don't change much, and the novelty of a new wing wears off very quickly. We do get some exhibitions, but so small, so cramped.

Safety is a big pro. Fucking snakes a big con if you have bush near you.

The Northern Beaches is a nice area. Plenty of bush for walks or bike riding, the beaches of course, and nice suburbs. No train here, so it is car , bus or ferry to go into the city and commute can be very long at peak hour.

Distance is a killer. It takes so long to travel anywhere. You lose days going to Europe. Our summer holiday are Winter in Europe, so days are shirt and cold, friends and family are at work or school, once Christmas is over, and I miss the vibe of Summer in the Mediterranean.
Also, here, you should NEVER enter the water after sunset! No midnight swim under the stars! Dark rhymes with shark.

The water is so cold. Yes you can wear a wetsuit, but you take it off once, then it is wet and sticky and you won't put it back on for a dip. Also you are not allowed to swim where you want. You have to stay between two flags, meaning 200+ people are enclosed in a short space where you can't swim , just jump the waves and hope that the wall of body boards coming at you won't hit you. Why the hell do they say " swim between the flags" is beyond me as you wouldn't be able to swim (breaststroke , back stroke, ...) without hitting someone or being hit after 1 meter.

Did I mention how cold the water is?

Hop27 · 23/05/2023 23:03

Are you 'outdoorsy' at home OP? Australia doesn't necessarily make your family automatically active. Sydney is cold, expensive and angry. But someone once said if your good at something, you'll be successful in Australia. That for us is true. But it's hard bloody work.
Have a look at this conversation calculator.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/comparecountriess_result.jsp?country1=United+Kingdom&country2=Australia

And be prepared for the ex pat tax .... $20k minimum you'll need to pay to come home every couple of years. To sleep in your friends and family's spare rooms. It far away, COVID was tough being that far away. My work flew me home the minute quarantine stopped, I will be forever in their dept for that. I nearly knocked my mum clean over at the airport. It's expensive to get out of the country, my DH is going to NZ with work and his flights were 2k and it's 3 hours away ... (also cold)
We both earn high, but choose not live in Sydney due to cost.
DSS is in private school.
We have a very comfortable lifestyle, but 60+ hours are standard.
We are very active, but not into camping etc so many Australian's are we just don't have the time or the kit needed to do it. But lots of our friends do (big campers, 4 wheel drives etc)
Weekends are very similar to those in the UK - sports, gym, chores, dinner out, beach or bush walk with Ddog, drink in the sun after (possibly, if it's not cold or in summer too hot)
I love my life here, but it's not all sunshine and rainbows.
However this was taken from charity yacht I was on last week with work......but it was bloody cold 🤣

Moving to Sydney
TheMeaningOfLife · 24/05/2023 08:53

We moved to Sydney from the UK in 2007 with three kids, best move ever. We have had an amazing life here, as have our now adult kids. Private education we could never have afforded in the UK, my dyslexic boys were written off in English schools, both with post grad qualifications now. When I was diagnosed with a rare cancer chemo started within five days. Theatre, music etc. more accessible than where we lived in SE England and I find it cheaper. There are lots of free things to do too, Sydney does big public events well. Yes, it is a long way from Europe but close to other places. People here are so euro-centric I think they forget it’s just one part of a big world. Flights everywhere are expensive these days, If you are super close to family it’s hard and Sydney house prices are eye watering but it is a truly amazing place to live if you earn well.

Marygold78 · 24/05/2023 09:13

Thank you very much for the responses. It is good to have other people’s perspectives/experiences. It may have been better to move when kids were younger; I do wonder if DC2 would have better life in Australia; they love open spaces, animals and an easier/more relaxed pace of life. When we went last year they felt at home and was sad to leave; but it was holidays. We went in summer UK/Winter in OZ but we had luck with the weather and except for Melbourne which I thought it was similar to the UK/ overcast when we were there.

I think Australia is an amazing country and the natural scenery is amazing but it does come with a price. I would like to explore it more but not sure we could retire there and make it a permanent move due to the cost of living and travelling; also I do like the diversity in Europe. Everything comes with a price.

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Choccablocca · 24/05/2023 09:13

I lived in Sydney for a year - I enjoyed my time there but I found it quite small tbh and lacking in culture as it is suited to those who embrace a beach style lifestyle (which sounds like you're looking for?). I think Melbourne would have suited me more if I was going to live there permanently.

I also found it hard to be on the other side of the world. I hadn't realised how Britsh & European I was til I moved there. I also found the summers too hot for me.

It is friendly though - I didn't have DC then and made lots of friends. With DC and school I'm sure you won't have a problem.

In your situation there is also the added complication that if you try for a year and don't want to stay but your DH does, what happens then? - that's something you will have to talk through with him.

SkaneTos · 25/05/2023 19:48

Hello!
There is a new Australia and New Zealand-section on Mumsnet!
Maybe ask there too?
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/aussie-nz-mumsnetters

Good Luck!

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