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UK to France next year

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Snooper22 · 18/09/2021 10:17

We are seriously thinking of going next year. We have a house already in Burgundy and DP has his residency card, his sons live there. My DD 15 wants to go to Lycee and university there and is proficient in French. She wanted to go on her own but I cant let her go alone at 16 even if it is a boarding Lycee, so DP is looking at semi retirement. Im excited about the prospects, not sure what I would do as still someway to go before I retire but thinking of setting up an ME and living life in the slow lane. Am I being delirious?!

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cardentisul · 18/09/2021 19:09

Your family tick all the boxes - language, residency, somewhere to live, desire to go - and if you are happy with this then go for it. Is it very rural? If that is something you aren't used to it can take some adjusting. I'm thinking of doing the same.

Snooper22 · 18/09/2021 19:44

Its in a rural part of France but we are 10 mins from 2 towns which is why we bought the house we have as I didnt want to be in the middle of no where. Im in a rural part of the UK so used to life in the slowish lane. How about you? What are your plans?

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cardentisul · 18/09/2021 23:08

I think that's good that you are used to rural life in UK because rural life in France can be really slow. I can't decide what to do: I also have a soon to be 15 year old who is bilingual but happy in UK but would probably be happy in France too (used to live there). However I have 2 older DC at uni in UK. We also have residency and a home in France. If I was in your situation I would go for it. Life in UK has really changed.

Snooper22 · 19/09/2021 09:15

I have an older DD too living independently but would not want to live in France and would prob not thrive in France, but I have other family close by so she wouldn't be left deserted. I feel the same about the UK, im finding it hard to enjoy life, im not saying it would be perfect in France but its a different type of life that I like, and it feels like the right time to go.

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cardentisul · 19/09/2021 09:45

Winters in rural France are very long and the French are a lot more reserved so it can feel very lonely. But, it sounds like you are prepared and haven't idolized the country, which works a lot better imo! Good luck with it all and let me know if you need any advice. We are in a similar lateral position to you in France: a bit further west and a tiny bit further north but very rural and few expats, so I know what it's like.

Frenchfancy · 20/09/2021 06:18

Sounds like it could work. One thought, your DD should have started lycée this year, which would mean she would be going straight into première which will be difficult for her even if she is bilingual. Would she consider going back a year?

Snooper22 · 20/09/2021 09:46

Hi frenchfancy, yes I'm sure she would be ok doing an extra year. Wasn't sure about when the French kids start lycee, I've tried reading up about the education system but it seems very complicated! Can you shed any light? My partner is going over next week and hopefully speak to our Mairie about it.

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cardentisul · 20/09/2021 11:20

Lycée is 3 years in France and you start when you are around 15. Unlike UK where the school age requirement runs between 1 Sept to 31 Aug, in France it is Jan to Dec so if she is 15 now she would be in lycée. They start in seconde which is equivalent to year 11 having left collège after troisième (year 10 equiv) and having taken their brevet exams. There's also different types of Lycée and then different types of bac including the bac pro for non-academic training. Depending on your commune there maybe limited or lots of choice.

Snooper22 · 20/09/2021 11:38

Ah thank you. Would my DD be ok starting lycee at 16? She wants to do science leading onto microbiology. There does appear to be a science option in the local lycee, would it be a BAC pro she would need to do?

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Snooper22 · 20/09/2021 11:49

No actually a BAC technologique I think 🤔

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Frenchfancy · 20/09/2021 12:16

She could do a technologique, but if she can cope with maths she would be much better off doing a general with maths, physics chimie as options. Seconde is général in any case even if doing a bac techno.
There would be no problem starting lycée at 16. It is not unusual to redo years in France and I think it would be a much better idea as première is pretty high pressure, with the French bac exam taken at the end of the year.

Seventhascent · 20/09/2021 12:34

A couple of things op.

Would your daughter be going to Lycee from having been schooled in UK all of her life up to now? When you say she is proficient n French, is she used to doing academic work in French? The schooling is quite different to that of UK but probably easier to adapt with science options. Don't assume that will be all plain sailing though, don't mean to be negative but it's quite a jump.

Secondly, what about your residency requirements post Brexit?

I assume you know about 90 day rule or short and long long term visa requirements? The latter may have tax implications for earnings from your ME. If you are not married to your DP that has an implication also. Post Brexit I think you need to look at how you will access your UK pension and health care.

Apologies if you already have researched all of this!

Good luck Flowers

Frenchfancy · 20/09/2021 12:34

The system is complicated if you try to translate it to the UK system.
Lycée is 3 years normally starting the year you turn 15 (so children born in 2006 have just started lycée).
1st year at lycée is seconde. This is a general year for everyone taking either a général baccalaureate or a technology baccalaureate. All classes are the same except for a few discovery classes (my DD does laboratory for example, others do engineering or social) that aren't examined.
Your notes at the end of this year will decide whether you are allowed to go on to your chosen course/options for première.
2nd year is première. This is where the techno and the général split. The techno courses are relatively recent and whilst in theory they have the same value, on practice is you want to get on to a highly subscribed course or go to prepa to do something like vet or engineering then you need a bac général. It used to be split into bas s, bac ES and bac L, but that has all changed and you now take 3 options, one of which is dropped in the final year. As well as the 3 options you also have to continue with French, 2 foreign languages (normally English the either Spanish or German) history and geography, some science and some maths. At the end of première you do the French written and oral exam.

The final year is terminal were you go down to 2 options, drop maths unless it is one of your options, and instead of French you have philosophy which is one of the main exams at the end of the year.

Sorry that was long, I hope it helps.

Frenchfancy · 20/09/2021 12:36

Sorry about my spelling, auto correct doesn't like it when I mix French and English.

Snooper22 · 20/09/2021 12:50

Thank you frenchfancy & car that is really helpful, Im trying to get an insight into the system and how it fits my DDs plans.

She knows it will be different to the way she has been learning in the UK but she is head strong and determined to do it. My DPs sons succeeded so we know it can be done :)

We are OK residency wise post Brexit that has been sorted 👍.

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Snooper22 · 20/09/2021 12:59

@Frenchfancy

Sorry about my spelling, auto correct doesn't like it when I mix French and English.
Thanks, just another question, would we apply directly to the local school or is it to the local Academy region? How soon would i need to apply? But Im guessing we need to be physically in France when we apply?
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ThatSunnyCorner · 20/09/2021 13:03

We spend much of the year in rural France. Interestingly we find people much less reserved than in the UK. We've had complete strangers knocking on the door with gifts, when we are out walking drivers always smile and wave, neighbours will do anything to help and are keen to make friends. There are few expats here and I prefer it that way.

Life is much slower, and at times I've found that frustrating. Everywhere is shut on a Sunday afternoon, and many places are shut for 2 hours at lunch; obviously you're aware of that already, but it can be a bit of a bind when you're living here. Also internet order delivery can be slow and expensive depending on where you are. We've found one very odd irritation - if you are ordering from for example, a big chain like Leroy Merlin, you have to order from the stock in the nearest shop, not a centralised warehouse. That often means choice is very limited. It can be cheaper and faster to order from elsewhere in Europe.

In terms of healthcare, it's fantastic here, far superior to the NHS (I say that as an ex NHS employee!). Mind you, it costs more too. Things happen much faster, and it feels like there's less pressure on the system.

Can't comment on schools as our children are all adults. Overall, I'd say go for it, be prepared to love it at first, then over time get a bit frustrated and fed up as the novelty wears off, then fall back in love with it again!

cardentisul · 20/09/2021 13:26

I think you apply through the Academie but for one of my DC's (state) schools we did it through the school. I would try and contact the schools you are interested in directly and ask. Just to confuse you further there are also privées in France which are nothing like the private schools in UK because anyone can go to them and they are really cheap. You basically pay for lunch. Depending on where you are it usually works out at about 600euros a year. They are in buildings owned by the catholic church but about 85% of attendees have no religion (where we live anyway). They were much better for my DC coming from UK especially for collège/ lycée: fewer strikes and disruption.

Frenchfancy · 20/09/2021 13:27

I think we put the application in before Easter, but we were in a leader school so they organised everything. My first port of call would be the Maire. You can go somewhere other than your nearest lycée, but only if there is an option you can't get locally. You also have a choice of public or privée (normally the privée schools are Catholic we pay about 100€/month)

Snooper22 · 20/09/2021 13:34

Thanks so much really appreciated.

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TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 24/10/2021 18:50

Sort your wills out. French inheritance is very different. It is (or was) automatically split between the children (even if you don't like them) and the remaining spouse.

We viewed a house where the wife was having to sell it as the children from her deceased husband's previous marriage wanted their 'share'.

You can now, I believe, do a will in the UK and make a statement that that is the jurisdiction where it should take effect.

But do take proper legal advice from someone who understands French inheritance law. (which is not me!)

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