Living in Europe post Brexit

[Twospaniels]

We have often thought that we would retire and buy a place in Lanzarote and live half and half UK and Lanzarote.
Brexit seems to have put paid to that idea. Apparently we would only be able to live in Lanzarote for 90 days within a 6 month period of time.

I was wondering if this applies to UK people who live there full time?

Are a lot of UK people going to have to return to the UK?

They need to have sorted out residency by now to stay longer than 90 days per 6 months. Many have, many haven’t. (There has been lots of info about it over the last 4.5 years.)

It doesn’t apply to existing residents - they will most likely need to register with local authorities as a ore-Brexit resident

It will still be possible to settle overseas in Europe but will involve applying to do so.

I presume you'd have to apply to reside there-get a visa etc and have proof of financial liquidity etc.

Where I live (not Spain) you had to be here before 31.12, and if so you retained all rights of locals and EU citizens. After this date you had to apply for a visa and have a job/provable means of financial support.
I hope you manage something or it's just holidays in the future.

Are a lot of UK people going to have to return to the UK?

Many countries have established some form of system whereby those Brits already resident in country by 1st Jan will be able to remain....it can be a PITA and is another Brexit gift.

It will however possibly be more difficult for Brits to indulge in long periods of continuous residency in some countries in the future.

That's roughly half the year , which is what you were planning anyway ?

It is, but you couldn’t do summer here and winter abroad.

I moved to France 5 years ago, before the referendum. We have been treated very fairly and have obtained permanent residency very easily. The French have been very efficient, the beaurocracy almost non-existent.

However, those arriving now, before the 31st December have a much harder job,but it is doable. They have to prove income and have health insurance, to name a couple of things.

Those arriving from 1st Jan will have a whole new range of beaurocracy to face, but again, it can be done. I have an American friend (who arrived 5 years ago) has jumped through hoops every year, but us finally seeing the light at the end of the tunnel and may get a 5/10 year residency this year. So you will be treated the same as every other non EU resident. It can be done, just not so easily.

That’s interesting about France Nota. We are aiming to move there in 3 years or so, my dh is Dutch and dc have both uk/Dutch passports so that makes life simpler.

Spain does offer a long term residency visa for the retired if you have money.

It's fine for the country you actually live in as long as you have residency documents. The same rules apply though with regards to other countries. So if I fancied a holiday home in France the 90/180 rules is still in effect.

If you have actually emigrated it makes sense to apply for citizenship once you've been in your new country long enough, and become an EU citizen again. I applied for German citizenship straight after the brexit vote idiocy. It was pretty quick and efficient and far cheaper than the same process is for EU citizens applying for UK citizenship.

I applied for German citizenship straight after the brexit vote idiocy. It was pretty quick and efficient and far cheaper than the same process is for EU citizens applying for UK citizenship.
Me too! Although substitute Italian for German and "extremely slow" (still waiting) for "quick and efficient ". Agree about it being far cheaper though!

I don't want to apply for Dutch citizenship as I'd have to give up my British passport. That said I was immediately issued with a letter saying that I'd been granted permanent residency and then later had a 5 minute appointment where I was issued with an ID card. That was everything done and dusted.

I can't remember what I paid. There was an administration fee but it wasn't much so I've forgotten.

I've forgotten.

Marmite will do that sorry

We have applied for our French residency cards. It was very simple to do online and we just need to wait for an appointment for fingerprints. Almost everything has been very straightforward - although the driving licence system seems to have imploded in the last couple of days - luckily this isn't an urgent issue for me.

Avocado this morning then, to help with the memory loss.

I had avocado for my breakfast.
It's snowing here in SW France - not something we see very often.

I had warm pitta bread, dripping with butter and raspberry jam. I decided to save the avocado for lunch.
We've no snow at all, which is odd for this time of year but we do have a thunderous black sky so I think it's about to rain. A lot.

Do you really have to give up British citizenship to get Dutch?

Many countries don’t allow dual citizenship and afaik the Netherlands is one of them.
As everyone has said, provisions have been made for existing residents. Future emigration will be much more difficult, and job searches will look very different.

Unfortunately yes. Unless you're Turkish. Then you get to keep both.

We have a lot of snow, its snowing, and 20cm more snow is forcast today, which is mildly inconvienient as dc3 has an in person occupational therapy appointment 15km away.

I have duel citizenship as do my DC, but can't remember the terms and conditions - I think we were only allowed it because the UK was still in the EU when we applied - Germany. I know from work that citizens of some other countries are allowed duel until they're 18 and then have to decide which to keep.

TBH though I'd rather keep German citizenship than British for purely practical reasons, so that would be my decision if necessary. I also find the idea that I'm legally German endlessly hilarious, but realise that's just me being silly

Denmark introduced dual citizenship a few years ago and since the referendum there has been a wave of British applicants. I applied 30.12.18. Have citizenship ceremony 1.3.21.

There has been so much info about what to do before brexit comes into effect. Get your papers in order because it will be harder later.

@Ellmau

"Spain does offer a long term residency visa for the retired if you have money."

Yes but it is a bureaucratic nightmare. A friend has completed it but has cost a fortune and needed a lawyer. Every document requested and submitted had to be translated. Some stuff to be done in person which he can't do as is actually back in the U.K. and can't travel.

Don't think this is an easy solution. I forecast that property prices in Spain especially in favoured expat areas will crash as people won't buy to be able to go for 90 days only