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Anyone emigrate from UK to NZ advice please

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princessofthecastle · 26/09/2007 10:43

We are seriously thinking about emigrating from the UK possibly to Aukland, Napier or Dunedin. It's a big step so your opinions would be appreciated. How long have you been in NZ and when you got there how did you get on regarding:

Cost of living
Quality and cost of housing
Education from primary right through to secondary
Lifestyle
Acceptance by Kiwis

Anything else that you think it would be helpful for us to know if making our decision. Thanks.

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princessofthecastle · 26/09/2007 10:43

Sorry that should read 'Auckland'.

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Lizzylou · 26/09/2007 10:45

Will watch this thread as we have our application in being assessed, we want to move to Wellington (but we need to sell our house no luck yet)

mmandmm · 26/09/2007 10:45

Im not emigratng to nz but I am emigrating to oz, in 2 months time! I cannot wait, just wanted to say good luck to you and if you dont like it you can always come back!!

princessofthecastle · 26/09/2007 14:37

Lizzylou, what's taking you out there?

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AnnainNZ · 26/09/2007 23:13

Been here 6 years
Lifestyle: fantastic, safe, friendly, relaxed
Housing: Cheap by UK standards but can be expensive by NZ average wage standards, especially in Auckland. Average house price about 350 grand (kiwi dollars) which is about 115 grand sterling. Most houses are detached, 3+ bedrooms, with garden, only recently have "townhouses" (terraces) been built. www.realestate.co.nz is a good website to get an idea of house prices in areas you are looking at.
Cost of living: some things can be more expensive e.g. books as less competition from retailers over here. But lots of stuff similar prices to UK. Lots of cheap/free outdoor stuff to do too.
Education: Don't know yet, 34 wks pg with 1st.
Acceptance by Kiwis: Complete - no worries there! Very friendly and welcoming. I always notice how miserable people in UK look now whenever I'm back!
As to the places you are looking at, Dunedin is coldest but otherwise nice, I believe adn the S Island is stunning. Napier very sunny and a smallish place to live. Auckland a big city (by NZ standards) so has the most shops, facilities etc, some NZers don't like it but I do, lots of nice countryside/beaches within easy reach. Depends if you want biggish city or to live somewhere smaller. Also on what work you will be doing.

Let me know any other questions you have, I could go on for a long time yet...but I'll restrain myself . In short, I love it and have no regrets.

princessofthecastle · 27/09/2007 09:31

Thank you for getting back to me AnnainNZ, it's very helpful to hear all this kind of thing. Please do go on and tell me anything else that you think might be helpful.

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MrsJohnCusack · 27/09/2007 09:55

hello
moved to Christchurch from London a year ago, but my parents are Kiwis and moved back here in Dec, so it's slightly different for us (and I am a citizen)

anyway
Cost of living: it's not actually that cheap, certainly not as cheap as it used to be. That's especially true of Auckland and Wellington. Books/CDs/DVDs etc. particularly expensive. When you compare prices of things to sterling, yes many things are very cheap BUT once you're earning in NZ dollars they're not.

HOusing: if you bring over a lump sum from the sale of a UK property, you will probably be able to buy something lovely. We have a 3 bedroom house mortgage free from the sale of our cruddy 2 bedroom flat on a dual carriageway. But average price of house v average salary is as scary a multiple as it is in the UK. Auckland/Wellington house prices are much, much more than ChCh, Dunedin is cheaper still. However salaries are also significantly higher in Auck/Well than they are down here in the South Island.
Most older style houses are one storey, they often have lots of outbuildings/garages/sleepouts and decent land etc. be warned they tend not to have central heating, proper insulation, double glazing etc. so it can be cold; our electriciy bills over the winter have been terrifying; heating is heat pumps/oil column heaters plugged into the wall etc. There are plenty of more modern house too. one thing you'll get used to is there are few brick houses - very noticeable when you come from the UK.

Education: unknown here as children are 2 and 6 months, however DD attends an excellent early learning centre and once she turns 3 the government pay for 20 hours per week early childhood education. Primary schools near me are excellent. There's been a hoohaa over the main secondary qualification, the NCEA, not sure where that's all at at the moment. Some private schools offer the international baccalaureate instead.

Lifestyle: relaxed, outdoors, friendly, laid back, very VERY child friendly, feels safe, lots to do.

looking at your location options they really are quite different. Auckland is the big centre, the money making place, the place most like a city anywhere. Napier is smaller, don't know much about it apart from the fact it was rebuilt in Art Deco style after it got damaged by a volcano. Dunedin is a lot more remote - the city is quite bustly, the university means it's youthful and packed with students, it has more than a bit a feel of Scotland to it. It's a lot more remote though, and a LOT colder than Auckland! on the other hand, the South Island is STUNNING and you wouldn't be far from stacks of amazing places. I love Dunedin actually.

ACceptance by Kiwis: not a problem. Very friendly, very welcoming, and very used to poms moving over! the only thing here was DH had a small problem getting work here in ChCh - wasn't getting interviews - but a bit of persistance cracked it. Also he has no particular career; if he'd been an IT person e.g. they'd have bitten his hand off.

I could ramble on too! have you looked at the other threads in this topic; I know I've posted similar advice/ramblings before?

MrsJohnCusack · 27/09/2007 09:58

oh meant to say more on cost of living
It's still not that expensive to live really. Much cheaper than London/UK. and things like children's activities/childcare are cheaper.

AnnainNZ · 27/09/2007 10:26

Ooh yes, be warned about the appalling lack of insulation/heating - quite a shock when you come from centrally heated UK houses. Central heating rare here and it's not like it's tropical all year round here - the winters can get pretty cold espec in South Island. We put insulation in our (1950's) house this year and noticed the difference. Newer houses are more likely to be insulated.

I suppose the disadvantages people mention are being far from family and maybe feeling a bit isolated and far from the rest of the world. If you're used to flying an hour or two to European holidays bear in mind that other than Australia and Pacific Islands (3 houra flight) everywhere is at least 10 hours flight away.

Not trying to put you off - nowhere is perfect and on the whole I love it. Yes it is a bit far from everywhere else but with the internet the rest of the world is much more accessible than a few years ago. We have a very nice life here.

What else would you be interested in knowing? What sort of work do you/dh do? Do you want to live in city or somewhere smaller?

Lizzylou · 27/09/2007 11:15

Princessofthecastle, sorry for taking my time, haven't had chance to get on the pc (and really shouldn't be here now!).

I have always wanted to live somewhere other than UK, now we have two boys even more so. We looked into our options and decided against Australia (mainly due to me being permanantly scared of letting the boys outside with the deadly creatures there! Wimp that I am.) NZ seems to fulfil our dream of a cleaner, greener and safer environment for our boys. We first wanted Christchurch, but have now settled on Wellington due to it's "small city" feel (so we've been told, we haven't visited, aargh!)

My Dh is in IT management, so we have had no trouble getting through the process thus far, we were told our application wasn't even going to be assigned until CHristmas for someone to look at but seems it is almost passed already! Which is scary as we need to sell our house!

Good luck

MrsJohnCusack · 27/09/2007 11:28

there is supposed to be a massive shortage of IT professionals here lizzy; prob why they've processed you so quickly!

my sister and her DH moved to Wellington in May. they're moving into their new house this weekend, looks FANTASTIC, fab harbour view etc.

Lizzylou · 27/09/2007 19:44

STOP!!!!!

I am so desperate to sell our house, have been cleaning all day as we are switching agents tomorrow.

DH had a telephone interview this pm and he said it didn't go well....he didn't know the price of preschool or of renting (everything else I'd written down for him...doh!). I'm hoping he is being his normal pessimistic self.

sibble · 27/09/2007 20:05

hi, have been here 5 years and can ditto all said so far. I'm in Auckland and think where you come from in the UK will have an impact on how you find NZ. I'm from London and find Auckland very small and limiting (alot of my friends fly to Melbourne and Sydney for girlie shopping trips!). Having said that I love it here now I'm used to the slow pace. Napier is beautiful, coastal, beautiful beaches close to Hastings/Havelock North also lovely, wine growing/farmers market country. I go with work and are planing a holiday there, personally it would be at the moment too small town for me to move there and (how my mind works) too far from major airport if I needed to jump on a plane home (dh thinks I'm mad!!!) Wellington has a more european, cosmopolitan, cafe culture feel than Auckland which has alot of Pacific Islanders and Maori's so feels different imo.

As for schools, I have heard mixed things but you get that in the UK. I am very happy with ds1's school and love ds2's daycare. It's quite laid back, little pressure, max 20 children per class. Depending on where you are secondary schools can be limited low population means not much choice and often people opt for private secondary schools. There is also as already said alot of critisism of NCEA which I believe will get a complete overhaul with a change of government but my oldest is 7 so along way off for me yet.

The lifestyle is great. Downside being sooooooo far from family and friends. Did not go home this year as tooooo hard with ds2 but am planning trip back next May have hives at the very thought of it.

hth

kjaysmum · 27/09/2007 22:14

just a quick one here Princess as I'm about to go out.

Have been here one and a half years moved here from Amsterdam but I am English and partner Kiwi.

Have just returned from seven weeks in Uk. So happy to be home! Personnel space factor here is fantastic, only place I felt relaxed in uk was in Devon. Family orientation fantastic, I live on the Kapiti coast (45 mins drive north of Wellington)and have made lots of good friends with kids. The beaches are absolutely lovely, today it's cold and clear and stunningly beautiful.

Non of this is giving you any hard facts to go on, sorry, but I love it here and am lucky enough to have family here too, as the distance from loved one's is the main drawback. My main observation about the trip back is... I flew with singapore air...again. I only have one child, I did a 24 hour stopover in singapore to break the journey and I found the trip easy, Ds loved it, the part for me was not the travelling but the adjusting on arrival, which can be hard work if you plan too much.
Arrghh got to go out.... lots of luck to you

Tiggerish · 27/09/2007 22:31

just a word of warning - we moved to wellington in 2002. my dh is an IT finance professional and there was no opportunity of jobs out there at all. He was able to apply for 2 jobs in a year - just nothing available. All the big corporates have moved to Sydney or further.

My advice - make sure you have a job before you go.

welliemum · 27/09/2007 22:32

What everyone else said.

We live near Wellington and love it. I still miss UK shops but there are so many compensations.

The distance from relatives is really the biggest thing about moving here, but we're managing OK and we do Skype chats every week.

AnnainNZ · 28/09/2007 00:01

Lizzylou I worked in a pre-school for 6 yrs, our rates were 58 dollars (about 19 pounds) a day so 290 for a full week (about 97 pounds). This was a pre-school in expensive part of Auckland so Wellington prices would almost certainly be cheaper. Once a child is three the govt pays for 20 hours of childcare.
Rental prices, go to
www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-me-property/index.htm
and look at houses to rent in Wellington, should give you sn idea.

princessofthecastle · 28/09/2007 09:42

Thank you all for your messages, it's so interesting to hear you comments.

Is anyone from Dunedin about to tell me a bit more about the south island?

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MrsJohnCusack · 28/09/2007 09:49

I'm not sure there's anyone on here from Dunedin

there's a few of us in Christchurch though

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