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Germany and/or Austria with primary school children

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Liebelei · 16/04/2020 15:33

I know there used to be a Germany/Austria chat thread but there doesn't seem to be an active one at the moment... We are vaguely considering a move to one or the other, although not right now obviously. Austria would mean Vienna, Germany would probably mean Munich or Frankfurt. Children are 5 and 2. I speak German, DH doesn't but would learn. We'd be entitled to live and work in either country. Switzerland is also an outside option but we're kind of discounting it because of the insane cost of living. I know all three countries well as a tourist (and lived in Germany as a single) but I'd be interested in insights into what it's actually like being there with children, in particular what the school systems are like from the inside and how possible it is for both parents to work. And if anybody has lived in both countries - which would you choose?

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Fuzzyspringroll · 16/04/2020 21:25

We live near Frankfurt. DH works in the city centre. DS is 3 and currently goes to a private bilingual nursery. There are quite a few around. He'll most likely go to an independent bilingual school when he's old enough (but mostly because I work there, too, and its convenient). It's also a lot cheaper than in the UK and fees are income-dependent at some of the schools.
State nursery places up to the age of 6 are really reasonably priced. DS could have a spot here in town and we'd pay about 150 Euros per month for a full time place including food - five days a week, 7.30am-5pm . I think they are actually free in Frankfurt but harder to get.
We've got quite a big house with a large garden and are right next to the woods. I do miss the beach and the sea (our old house was about 500m from the beach), though.

anothernotherone · 22/04/2020 13:27

Germany varies massively by state, so you'd do well to consider Frankfurt and Munich to be in different countries when information gathering. Munich is incredibly expensive and it's very hard for foreigners to find a place to rent because demand far outstrips supply and foreigners are expected to be difficult to deal with and more importantly to move on - most landlords want to put a tenant in for life essentially for minimum hassle, and of course most houses and larger flats are rented out without a kitchen (no sink, no work surfaces, obviously no fitted appliances, just plumbing and wiring).

The Bavarian school system is unique and widely considered the "hardest" in Germany although many people of course dispute that. Children from other parts of Germany who joined my DC midway through Grundschule universally ended up at Mittelschule, and children who joined the Realschule from other states universally failed the years they joined but obviously this may be due to prejudice from teachers (my kids were born here and DH is German so they have a Bavarian accent so are protected from this) or just fluke due to small sample size - were rural so a less mobile population.

In Bavaria children start state school the September after their 6th birthday. They do 4 years of primary school. In march of the 4th year they get a report with grades which determine which of the 3 types of secondary school they can go to. Children with top grades don't have to go to grammar school but children with low grades aren't allowed to. 1 is the highest grade, 6 is a fail. A 2,3 average is required for gymnasium, 2,6 average for Realschule, anything below that and Mittelschule is the only option.

However there is considerable mobility later and Mittelschule entrants with good grades can choose to transfer after year 5 to Realschule and repeat the year there and carry on. The same for Realschule to gymnasium.

Rurally a lot of parents send children with 2,3 average to Realschule as boarder line or emotionally less mature children often really suffer and struggle at gymnasium (I tutored some of those kids who were permanently in tears and stressed to a cruel extent at age 10 and consequently chose to send my own 2,3 grade average children to Realschule).

School is only compulsory for 9 years - Mittelschule Abschluss ist at the end of year 9. This means some children leave school at 14 and 9 months. However they have to do an apprenticeship in that case.

Realschule Abschluss ist considered internationally as GCSE equivalent and taken at the end of year 10. UK boarding schools accept it as GCSE equivalent for admission to A level or international baccalaureate courses.

Gymnasium is 12 or 13 total years - the 12 year model was introduced recently but considered too intense so the move is back to 13 years. That's A level equivalent but a broader subject range.

Realschule children can transfer to gymnasium after year 10 if they have high grades, or go to Fachoberschule which is like a 6th form college.

Kindergarten here is absolutely excellent in my experience and all my kids were very happy indeed at kindergarten, but not everyone has the same opinion. It is cheap though not income related everywhere - that depends exactly where you live. The Vorschule Year for 5 year olds is free. Children are entitled to a place from the month of their 3rd birthday but there are more children than places and not everyone gets them.

Krippe (nursery) exists but rurally is not used much - unlike kindergarten they usually have spaces. However in Munich itself state nurseries are also full.

BlauVogel · 06/05/2020 02:00

NRW is a good state. Its quite populated, well priced and good job opportunities. Plus its right next to Netherlands and Belgium, if you wanna drive to the UK / or take the train. Dusseldorf is a largish Airport with good connectivity.

houselikeashed · 07/06/2020 00:21

From what I've heard, Vienna is not easy to integrate into. I only have limited experience from a couple of people, but they all tell me about how hard they find it to be accepted by the Viennese people, because they are not Austrian.
I'm sure lots of people have better experiences, just not the people I know!! These people have been in Vienna for over 15 years and they still feel like this!

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