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Taking dogs to live abroad

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Figleaf · 16/06/2019 13:21

Anyone got any advice? I have an older Lurcher (rescue but think he is 8 or 9) and a 5 y.o greyhound. Looking for company recommendations and any dos or don'ts people have learned from experiences (good and bad). Relocating from Scotland to USA. Thanks x

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Eledamorena · 16/06/2019 16:35

I haven't got any experience of using a company but can reassure you that it is much more doable than people often think. We've lived on 3 continents with our dog and we've never had a problem, even when moving (back) to the UK. We did all the paperwork ourselves, had our vet do the relevant bits, made sure we had a suitable container and off we went. It takes a few months depending on what jabs the dogs need so make sure you start the process early. There may be some things that need doing only a very short while prior to departure, too, so timeframes are critical.

It was stressful because I kept thinking, 'what on earth do we do if she gets denied boarding and we're at the airport, all our worldly possessions and children in tow? Or what if they don't let her in the other end?!!' But we double and triple checked everything and it has always been fine.

We've done UK-Latin America, then back to UK (we flew to France and then took the tunnel, as it can be tricky entering the UK directly but the route from France is well-established and v organised due to holidaymakers). Then last year we went UK-SE Asia.

The cost can be very high using relocation companies but you do get peace of mind that you won't screw up the paperwork.

The cost of doing it yourself can be very reasonable - think less than £500 for long haul flights plus the crates (v specific requirements for airlines) and vaccinations (these add up a bit but not terrible). Paperwork not expensive.

Think carefully about airlines, as not all take dogs and, of those that do, not all take larger breeds. To my knowledge, none will take flat-faced breeds in the hold. The weights they quote you are the weight of the dog PLUS the crate. In our case, this put us over the limit for some airlines and we didn't realise until after we booked a flight. Very frustrating but it wasn't clear and the customer service people are often not accustomed to dealing with live animal queries. So double check everything! We also had to hire a van to take the dog to the airport as the crate simply wouldn't fit in anyone's car, certainly not with space for any luggage or people!

If you take them yourself they go on the same flight as you and you literally wave them off at excess baggage and pick them up by the conveyer belt the other end.

You are not advised to give any sort of sedatives to the dog prior to the flight, though this always seemed sensible to me. Our dog has always been fine without. We had to fly indirectly for the Latin America trips as there were no direct routes at that time, and we were allowed to take her out of the airport at Paris for a walk. Not sure this is officially allowed but we've done it twice now.

I highly recommend Air France if they serve your location. Have heard positive things about KLM too.

Best of luck!!! People thought we were mad when we first did it (not sure what they would have thought if we'd just left the dog behind?!!) but now we've done it, we wouldn't hesitate to do it again. Probably more stressful for us than the dog!

Figleaf · 16/06/2019 17:12

That was a real joy to read Eledamorena (and informative/reassuring/helpful) Thank you so much for the time you have taken to share this knowledge.Smile

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LinoleumBlownapart · 16/06/2019 23:34

I don't have much more to offer, but I do know that the USA is one of the easier countries to move dogs to. I do know you cannot sedate them at all. As Eledamorena said there are relocation companies. I would pay more for this if it were me. Good luck.

Figleaf · 17/06/2019 09:47

Thanks LinoleumBlownapart. The company will pay for a relocation company for the dogs so think we will go that way. I am very reassured by both these answers - thank you both. How did your dog react after each flight Eledamorena i.e how long to get back to normal after the flight?

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cafesandbookshops · 17/06/2019 13:52

First time poster!

Thank you Eledamorena for the information. I will soon be taking a dog I rescued from Latin America to the UK and am trying to do it myself as well.

@Figleaf from what I have understood, you need to do the following:

have the dog microchipped
have all of the vaccines required by the USA which you can find here and depend on the country of origin
www.cdc.gov/importation/bringing-an-animal-into-the-united-states/dog-origin.html

have the vet fill in a pet passport for EU countries or a declaration of health form for countries outside the EU
make sure the carrier meets the airline's requirements

The country I am in also requires us to visit an office at the airport 24 hours in advance to have the dog checked over and certified for flying.

Good luck!

Figleaf · 17/06/2019 14:05

Thank you @cafesandbookshops xx

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Expressedways · 17/06/2019 18:07

We moved our cat from London to the UK and used Pet Air UK. They picked him up from home, he spent overnight at their cattery (they also have kennels) before boarding the flight in a wooden crate with comfy absorbent bedding sprayed with calming pheromones and water. We picked him up from the cargo terminal on the other end and he was very pleased to get out of the crate but otherwise absolutely fine. I’d definitely recommend them.

Figleaf · 17/06/2019 21:01

Thanks @Expressedways x

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Eledamorena · 17/06/2019 23:36

Yes, visiting a vet 24 hours before, I think we had to do that for all our moves (kind of a blur now!)

If the cost of a relocation company is being covered I would go for that. It will definitely give you peace of mind. One question to ask though is if they will keep the dogs OUT of the crate as much as possible prior to handing them over at the airport. I wouldn't want them being put in the crate for any of the hanging around time, they're in it long enough for the journey!

Our dog was amazing in terms of coping with the actual flights. First time we flew to France and then spent several hours hanging out and walking her, she went back in no problem (and she is not crate trained). Then she had a monster period of time in the crate - must have been over 22 hours. This was check-in time, v long flight and then not recommended to let them out the crate until you actually reach the place you will be staying, in case they bolt or have a bit of a wobble. So we kept her in the crate for the car journey to our house. Let her out in the garden, she had a good sniff round and a massive poo, and then she was fine! A bit clingy (I let her sleep in the bedroom for the first night, which she doesn't normally do) but then honestly back to normal.

Similar experience going back to the UK. It was more complicated coming to Asia as we didn't have our accommodation sorted in advance and had to go from the airport to a pet hotel. It was a perfectly reasonable place but not what we are used to in the UK (she used to stay with family or go to a farm-like kennels place with fields... this place was set up for mini Asian dogs!!) They did look after her but she wasn't happy. She had to stay there 9 days til we had a house sorted. Again, absolutely fine once she was back with us but the kennels stay was not at all ideal and I would avoid it if I could. The kennels sent pictures every day and she just looked miserable!! They said dogs were allowed to mix, which we really wanted, but apparently nobody else wanted their dogs to mix with a beast, just to play with other Poms and Chihuahas!!

Best of luck with the move and just make sure you see your vet early. There are reviews for pet relocation places online. If costs are covered then ring around and go for a bigger, really experienced one.

Eledamorena · 17/06/2019 23:36

Sorry for such long responses, I would rather be thorough! I know how stressful it is, I never knew anyone who had done it before we did so it's nice to help someone else!!

Figleaf · 18/06/2019 08:15

I really appreciate this @Eledamorena . Can you point me at the reviews you mention. I am rubbish googling anything and always end up with spurious results Grin

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CrumpetyTea · 18/06/2019 08:22

We moved our dog from UK to Sydney - also using PetAir.
We did mess up on some of the requirements (ended up with a long delay for our dog staying with friends)- whilst it was my fault for messing up I do think Petair could have flagged this in advance- it was only when the time got near they asked for a vaccination/RNAT that we hadn't got - we had been speaking to them months before and a lot of angst could have been saved if they had just mentioned it!
That said- they were very good - it took away some of the concern that we would miss something crucial and she would be denied boarding or worse.
Our Dog had to stay in quarantine in Australia- annoyingly in Melbourne (its the only place they have quarantine here) but PetAIr arranged the transfer to Sydney (at this stage the cost was a drop in the ocean) and actually sent us a video of the dog travelling. She seemed to cope really well- was very lively and excited and doesn't seem to have suffered any consequences- bloody expensive though!!

dreichuplands · 20/06/2019 02:31

We used World Pet according to DH, they were very good. We moved from Latin America to U.K., then later U.K. to USA. We moved a cat and a dog without issues.

dreichuplands · 20/06/2019 02:35

They collected and delivered and sent several photographs during the process, along with emails.

Figleaf · 20/06/2019 08:54

My mail system put the last messages in SPAM. Thanks all, I will look up those companies Smile

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