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tomhazard · 28/11/2018 12:34

Hi mumsnetters. today to my surprise I have been offered a job in an international school in Shanghai, puxi. The package includes accommodation, free school places, a dependent pass for my husband and medical insurance for all of us.

I applied thinking I wouldn't even get to the interview stage so I can't believe I'm actually asking this! So, my DC are 4 and 6 and we would live near the school. Tell me honestly what it's like to live in Shanghai? We've lived in Singapore before a few years ago but i know they're quite different. Am I mad to consider living there with little DC, given the pollution??

My DH is in engineering - it is possible for trailing spouses to find work, without any Chinese?

Thanks for any thoughts on life in Shanghai while I decide whether to accept an offer.

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Hisaishi · 29/11/2018 10:31

I don't live there, but have visited and know people who have lived there.

It's a great city, so many things to do, places to visit, great food etc.

The air is shit, can't lie. I'm in Korea visiting right now and we get all the bad air from China too and it does make it hard to do stuff outside. I get a permanent headache and sore throat when it's bad. The masks don't do much.

How long is the contract? If it didn't mess up you/your husband's careers at all, I'd do it for a year, just to see. Why not?

tomhazard · 29/11/2018 16:55

Hisaishi it's two years. I'm a little concerned about the air and my dh thinks he'd have a chance of getting employment but obviously this can't be guaranteed.

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ShanghaiNat · 04/12/2018 00:44

Hi, I live in Shanghai and it's a great city!
It's similar to Singapore in a lot of ways (densely populated, lots of towers and malls, great noodles!) but lacks the easy beach access, year-round heat and multiculturalism.

Admittedly the air isn't great but it's really seasonal. Winter is the worst season by a long way, and the rest of the year is actually pretty good. In any case, it's a lot better than Beijing, and good quality air purifiers are cheap.

There's a great community of expats and locals connected via Wechat (Chinese version of FB, Whatsapp, Insta and Twitter), and there's a good FB group 'Trailing Spouses Shanghai' you can check for people asking similar questions.

Hope this helps!

ShanghaiNat · 04/12/2018 00:48

Doh! Forgot to add that the school should allow for a familiarization trip before you accept, so you can come over and see for yourself.

DH should be able to find work relatively easy as an engineer, but do check out the visa requirements thoroughly!

ShanghaiDiva · 04/12/2018 12:04

I have lived in China for over 10 years, but despite the name I don't live in Shanghai.
Pollution can be bad, but it's better than it used to be and as pp mentioned it's only really in winter that there is a problem.
Your husband may be able to find work, although he would need to get his visa changed to a work visa.
There is decent healthcare in Shanghai - world path clinic and shanghai united, but check exactly what your policy covers. most people I know would rather have surgery in HK or Bangkok than Shanghai, but it is very expensive (Bangkok is cheaper than Hong Kong).
IME most teachers don't get a familiarisation trip before they accept (unless they are going for a senior role) so you may want to ask if anyone here has experience of the school you would be working in.
Good luck with your decision!

Hisaishi · 04/12/2018 13:09

"it's only really in winter that there is a problem."

Surely that's relative though. The air is way worse in Shanghai than in Seoul, and we definitely feel it year round in Korea. If you've lived there a while you get used to it but for two years, it would presumably be a problem.

ShanghaiDiva · 04/12/2018 13:33

Yes, it is a year round problem, but the really bad days are generally in the winter - last week was terrible with thick fog and smog: traffic was horrendous, kids were kept in at school, flights were delayed and it was not sensible to be outside.
Pollution levels which are considered moderate - aqi of 80 - are still much higher than uk and Europe and it is an important factor in deciding whether to move here. My dd's school has an integrated air purification system (we have something similar at home) but she still needs to travel to school.

BobbyGentry · 04/12/2018 13:46

Shanghai is a great city. It’s expensive though. As London has the river Thames with a north of the water/south of the water divide, Shanghai has the river Pu with an east/west of the water divide. Puxi denotes that you’d be west (xi) of the river which is the older side. Pudong denotes east (dong) of the river which is the newer face of the city. All of Shanghai is liveable. Lots to see & do too.

reabies · 13/12/2018 08:37

I may be a bit late if you've already decided but I lived in Shanghai for 18 months and left 6 months ago. We enjoyed living there - here's a few of my feelings about the city:

It's very urban and we really missed green spaces and a bit of wildness. There are parks but they can sometimes be quite sterile, 'keep off grass' and 'no flying kites' signs etc. But there is a lot of travelling you can do through China to see some incredible places, so it kind of balances out. And the city itself has some really interesting architecture and districts like the very new in Lujiazui (Pudong) to the old French Concession and the Bund (Puxi).

Shanghai is considered expensive but cost of living is low compared to the London (which is where we move from) and the food there is amazing - the range of Chinese food is great but there are also loads of international cuisine options. We really loved it as a foodie city as there is so much choice and eating out is so much cheaper than the UK.

The weather is not lovely. Not just the air quality, but summer is very hot and humid, 40+ degrees and May/June can be very rainy. Winter is very cold and most flats don't have central heating, but will have an air con unit that can do heat as well. Spring and Autumn are lovely but last a matter of weeks each.

The mobile landscape is incredible - almost everything can be done via app. Often we would leave the house with only keys and phone and that would be it. Some apps are only in Chinese though, so it's good to have a native speaker friend who can help you navigate through them the first time. I've left Shanghai and moved to HK now, and it's like stepping back in time in terms of how un-mobile friendly everything is.

Language - Shanghai is generally fine for non-Chinese speakers, all road signs, metro signs, shopping malls, international restaurants etc will have English language materials as well as Chinese. Taxi drivers can be hit and miss, you would generally need to know the address of where you are going in Chinese, not many speak English. I would really recommend getting some lessons though, my boyfriend took a couple of months worth and found it made life infinitely easier in taxis/shops/restaurants.

Censorship - this was probably one of the most annoying things. Even with a VPN to get around the Great Firewall, the internet was slow and patchy. Daily frustration trying to google stuff for work and having to use Bing or Yahoo. Having to ask friends and family back home to download WeChat because it was just such a faff to get WhatsApp to work. Really annoying but not a dealbreaker I guess.

I notice you said your DH doesn't speak Mandarin - in the end, we left Shanghai because my boyfriend just struggled too much at work. He worked for an international company (transferred from the London office) but within weeks was hitting roadblocks and basically couldn't do his job without the language. It was unexpected, as the company had led us to believe this was a great opportunity for him and that language skills wouldn't be an issue. My boyfriend does recruitment which is very different from Engineering though so it may be a completely different kettle of fish.

I think it would be an amazing opportunity for your kids. Despite the negative aspects of the pollution, censorship, government, human rights etc, China is very cool country to live in, there is so much to see and do, and the people you meet are generally friendly and helpful.

Good luck with your decision!

AnoDeLosMuertos · 13/12/2020 18:41

@tomhazard... did you go in the end??

Ploughingthrough · 14/12/2020 06:12

AnoDeLosMuertos no went went to Singapore!

AnoDeLosMuertos · 14/12/2020 08:33

Any reason you didn’t go to Puxi? I’m looking at moving there.

Ploughingthrough · 15/12/2020 09:26

It was mostly due to job prospects for my husband, we got offered Singapore too and his prospects were definitely better. I also felt a bit worried about the air pollution for my 2 DC. On my own I'd have definitely gone for it!

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