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Move to the US - Chicago

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BlauVogel · 02/07/2018 10:17

We ve an opportunity to move to Chicago on family immigrant visa, which means both me and DH will be able to work etc. Though i am not sure abt many other things like standard of school education (public school), Cost of living (compared to a subuaban London town in SE) and other long term prospects for my 2 kids (6 and 9 yrs).

I know this has probably been discussed before but due turbulant times thnx to Brexit and Trump, things may be slightly different. I somehow dont see a bright future for my kids here but am also a little scared of losing the safety net. I am 39yrs of age, have a post grad degree and in a professional job here.

Hence i would be interested in hearing abt your experience / opinion of the whole thing

Thanks!

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mathanxiety · 05/07/2018 20:03

You can easily find out what you might pay in property taxes when you start looking for a house or condo to buy. The real estate records for each property will show what the taxes were for the last year. Your real estate agent will be able to show you all the details. Sometimes it's all spelled out online. Property taxes are assessed according to a rateable valuation system. Challenging property taxes in Cook and Lake counties has turned into a cottage industry, and you will get solicitations from law firms in the mail. Challenges are sometimes successful.

Your monthly mortgage bill will normally include the mortgage amount, a home insurance charge if your deposit was under 20%, and a monthly pro rating of the quarterly county property tax, held in escrow and paid from the escrow account.

Additionally, if there are association fees (in a community or condo building) all of that information will be provided by your agent.

You can also get an idea of utility charges, water/sewer & garbage collection fees from the real estate agent too. Utility costs are self reported by the seller.

You sign on with a buyer's agent when looking to buy, and this person - a fully qualified real estate agent, most agents will do both buyer and seller roles though not at the same time - will take you to see properties, help you through the negotiation stage, be there at closing aka "exchange" to handle any blips, probably suggest a home inspector to do the structural inspection once contracts have been accepted, maybe even find you a lawyer to handle the legal end. The buyer's agent usually gets a fixed fee. Seller's agent usually gets a proportion of the final sale price. It would be a very good idea to make a foray ahead of your planned move to get the lie of the land, talk to agents in target communities, and even see a property or two, just so you know what you might be looking at. A real estate agent could also help you find a decent apartment, and there are dedicated relocation specialists who do this too.

Your property taxes pay for local municipal amenities like the library, parks, playgrounds, public pool(s), public ice rink, tennis courts, soccer fields, baseball/softball fields, municipal parking lots, and services like meals on wheels, snow 'plowing', street and alley maintenance, police service, any youth outreach, graffiti abeyance, and above all, SCHOOLS (including teacher salaries and pension plans, security, services within the school or school district like school psychologists, SEN provision - often fantastic ) and all the facilities and opportunities schools offer; sports, performing arts, fine arts; in many districts you are looking at what you would find at a top notch English public school without the uniforms.

Property taxes also pay for county services like the county health system, water reclamation, county forest preserves (public woods, trails, lakes, stretches of river, etc) and lots more.

Wrt cost of living, I am in an old and quirky suburb, and I have both chains and ethnic groceries fairly close at hand as well as Whole Foods (where I only buy cat food and bulk Israeli couscous), Trader Joes (where I only buy plonk). There are hispanic, Asian, Italian and Polish places I can get to quite easily. There is one particular place that has all the stuff you would find in a chain but also four aisles of 'ethnic' stuff including blackcurrant drinks, jams, Indian cuisine staples, Garibaldi biscuits made in Saudi Arabia but the real thing all the same, and other items that I wouldn't find elsewhere. Middle eastern requires more travel, though the store I mentioned carries some. I could easily spend half my income on groceries but I shop around - opening hours allow this.

The availability of a broader and often cheaper range of grocery stores is something you would find in Skokie/Evanston and the northern Chicago neighbourhoods.

Activities for kids - a season pool pass where I am costs $50 per person, and allows unlimited pool visits from end of May to end of August. A rink pass costs the same, and allows year round skating. AYSO youth soccer costs $175 per player for the upcoming 'Fall' season, plus about $20 registration fee.

An 18-class session in my local Park District gymnastics centre costs $324 for residents. The gym is purpose built, with qualified instructors. There is a private gym locally that charges $60 to $100 for a four-week session, classes from 45 mins to 2 hours, once a week. A four month swim team season in a local competitive swim programme costs from $400 to $650 per swimmer for the entire season. Lowest rates are for age 5-8, top rates are for high school boys. You could look through this to see what is on offer in dance in my area www.academyofmovementandmusic.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Online-Summer-Schedule-2018.pdf. I have no idea if this is representative, but it's a superb facility and there is a huge market so they are probably charging as much as they can in a pretty well off area.

mathanxiety · 05/07/2018 20:05

'exchange and completion' not just exchange...

BlauVogel · 06/07/2018 01:34

Yeah i was surprised by the property taxes. Its quiet a difference to the UK council tax (which also gives you the 'free' schooling. I ve to say accomodation wise i pay less in an expensive commuter town of London than somewhere like Skokie.

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mathanxiety · 06/07/2018 08:03

I think there is an appreciation in the US that if you want great schools, responsive police and fire services, and hundreds of other municipal and county services, someone has to pay for it. There is also a good deal more local control of how taxes raised locally are spent, and municipal voters can vote against tax increases for specific projects.

Semster · 07/07/2018 01:48

My experience of Chicago is that the people are incredibly friendly. DH does a lot of business there - he's there 1-2 work weeks a month at the moment - and he says the same. The people he struggles with are the politicians.

Be ready for hot summers and cold winters. And traffic...

mathanxiety · 07/07/2018 05:45

I always thought that about Chicago. Friendly and not at all stuffy.

Kescilly · 10/07/2018 00:17

I'm glad that so many of you have found Chicagoans friendly! I moved from there to the UK and have to admit I still miss it all quite a bit. It's been an adjustment to get used to people here being more withdrawn.

I don't think Schaumburg is that awful, it's simply a large suburb. We don't have that much history! One benefit is that it has tons of shops and restaurants. It also has access to several highways. Other places mentioned might have a bit more character but you'll pay more for that as well of course.

pallisers · 10/07/2018 00:26

I think there is an appreciation in the US that if you want great schools, responsive police and fire services, and hundreds of other municipal and county services, someone has to pay for it. There is also a good deal more local control of how taxes raised locally are spent, and municipal voters can vote against tax increases for specific projects.

I agree completely with this. I am always surprised at threads on MN where people say "please don't bother your police with this they don't have the resources". Police in our town will come out for pretty much anything that meets a minimum criterion of disturbance - including teenagers being particularly bolshy and anti-social (they will line them up, take names, give them a chat and let them go). People in the town are happy for taxes to go on that. Local newspapers also go to every town/city council/board meeting and keep everyone up to date on what is going on.

(I know someone who went into the mayor's office and ranted a bit at him when headlice weren't being dealt with properly in our local school - that may have been a step too far although in fairness she was a nurse who was offering to do a delousing clinic to get rid of them :) ) our mayor also has coffee every day in the same place so people could come in and say what was on their minds.

mathanxiety · 10/07/2018 06:06

Schaumburg has a lot of chain restaurants (and Woodfield Mall, and Ikea) but iirc businesses do not contribute tax dollars to the municipal facilities or to the school districts. Property taxes pay for all of that.

BlauVogel · 10/07/2018 07:12

Yep Chicago is known for its honest Mayors 🤔

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Kursk · 11/07/2018 03:27

Police in our town will come out for pretty much anything that meets a minimum criterion of disturbance

Police in my town (Maine) come out if you lock your keys in your car.

ApolloniaC · 11/07/2018 03:39

We also get police out for anything. Saw them lining up teenagers on the ground today. They make them sit down. Very responsive

mathanxiety · 11/07/2018 07:26

We have no graffiti where I am. There is a hotline number to report it, and the city sends a team with some sort of chemical/power wash to remove it. The police are very interventionist when it comes to taggers.

The motivating factor is the presence of really serious gangs in the section of the major city that is a neighbour. Because of the gangs, there was up to this year a no hats or headgear policy in the local high school. It was finally relaxed this year but caps have to be worn facing forward.

The police or fire department here only help for keys locked in car if you have locked a child or pet inside, or if you have left the engine running. How do I know this

Semster · 12/07/2018 02:13

We had the police come door to door to tell us that there had been a burglary on our street and suggest that we start locking our doors when we leave the house and maybe not leave our keys in our cars.

That was 9 years ago. No one started locking their doors and there haven't been any more burglaries since then.

sunnnyscotland · 15/07/2018 16:19

I've been in Chicago a year. We have really enjoyed it as a family. As a city it has a wide range of activities and food, the weather is brutal though, shifting from freezing cold to super hot and humid in what felt like a couple of weeks. Living costs are much much higher than we had in the North of England, food, utilities, medicine and insurance being significantly higher. Transferring my professional qualifications is such a pain I haven't done so yet and may not bother.

AlessandroVasectomi · 25/07/2018 16:08

I think it’s away from the areas discussed in this thread, but my son’s in-laws live in Batavia. We’ve stayed with them several times and we like it, although we have no other suburbs to compare it with. Geneva and St Charles just along the way a bit are also very nice residential areas and the train to the centre of Chicago is only about a 30 or 40 minute ride. Our American ‘relatives’ tell us that the main living expenses are properly taxes and health care insurance.

Their house in Batavia is very similar to our own in terms of the type of location (a neat residential estate) and the accommodation (detached 4 bed, 2 bath, 2 garage) but is considerably cheaper than ours and slightly bigger. I have often considered moving there as I quite like the Midwest but DW won’t hear of it - and in all honesty I’m not sure I could cope with the winters and summers. We have only ever visited in spring or autumn.

mathanxiety · 25/07/2018 22:53

Batavia to Lake Forest would be a hellish commute.

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