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most inclusive European country for people with disabilities

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catinasplashofsunshine · 25/06/2018 11:24

Does anyone have an opinion or live in a European country they've noticed is really forward thinking on disability rights and inclusion (in terms of education, employment, infrastructure, society in general, or just one element)?

I live in Germany and am nearly at the end of a 3 year course leading to an impossible to translate qualification, but essentially all about supporting anyone whose needs exclude them from mainstream society (so effectively this boils down to mainly people with disabilities, but also asylum seekers and to a lesser extent young people who've fallen through the social net due to poverty, parental addiction and family breakdown etc)

We're in Bavaria and aware of being very behind on inclusion (still lots of big institutions, over 75% of children with even mild learning disabilities are in special schools).

We have to nominate destinations for a 5 day study trip next year. I wanted to suggest places in the UK but Brexit may make that problematic especially as we have 2 Russians on the course.

Does anyone live / has lived in a country or state, or city, that might be a good place to visit to see how inclusion is being achieved better?

Bit of an off the wall question but maybe someone has an idea?

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LARLARLAND · 26/06/2018 14:06

I did know that sameProcedure

No agenda. It’s just funny.

MrsTerryPratchett · 26/06/2018 14:13

I did use 'eradicated' for that reason. Thanks OP.

catinasplashofsunshine · 26/06/2018 14:38

Why is it funny LARLAR ? I said in my opening post that although I'd like to go to the UK people aren't keen, so I'm looking for ideas of other countries or states which won't require visas for the Russian students.

It's not really "funny" by any of the usual definitions of the word that I continued to say the same thing in other posts and expressed interest in countries which sound as though they might fit the bill. If someone posted that they wanted a recipie for any meat except beef would you post that they were ridiculous and funny for not choosing a beef bourguignon recipe because it's a really good recipe?

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LARLARLAND · 26/06/2018 15:13

I find it very funny though.

BertieBotts · 26/06/2018 17:40

She used European in the title as a shorthand for Schengen knowing full well that many people in the UK are unfamiliar with what the Schengen area is.

It makes perfect sense to go for destinations which aren't going to add an extra cost, really it doesn't matter if somewhere outside those guidelines is the most heavenly nirvana on earth for inclusion, they're trying to identify somewhere they can get to easily.

LARLARLAND · 26/06/2018 17:58

BertieBotts I understand the challenges the OP describes and I really do hope her group have a great trip and it’s very instructive. I just found it funny that they have ruled out the UK because of Brexit and yet seem keen on Iceland. Iceland’s politics on whether to join the EU or not makes the UK’s seem like a picnic in the park. It just amused me. Childish I know!

BertieBotts · 26/06/2018 18:10

I thought they had ruled out the UK because of the Russian members of the group. It's a known hassle for Brits to get into Russia and vice versa.

LARLARLAND · 26/06/2018 18:39

I know Bertie I travelled to Russia quite recently and had to get a visa and it really wasn't that difficult. Interesting place.

BertieBotts · 26/06/2018 23:20

It probably isn't THAT difficult but the perception is there and that does put people off - rightly or wrongly! :)

WeirdScenesInsideTheGoldmine · 26/06/2018 23:27

Ok well, forget about Spain. I lived in Madrid for years and getting around that with buggies was a nightmare. Many inaccessible stations, I was stranded at the top or bottom of escalators many many times.

GinUser · 27/06/2018 19:21

You could always try Hessen in Germany. It is fairly progressive and not too far form Bavaria.

Amalfimamma · 27/06/2018 19:25

Definitely not italy. Very little help, the metro is off limits for pushchairs and wheelchairs as the lifts never work, busses are old and not able to lower down for ppl with disabilities.

Unfortunately we are miles behind any EU country in this aspect

Mentounasc · 27/06/2018 20:39

I think the two Russian members are very justified in being wary of the visa situation with the UK. I know of a young Russian living permanently in Germany who wanted to go to England for a 2 week language course, she was denied a visa and couldn't go on the course.
I'd have said the Scandinavian countries would be the best option.

hellokittymania · 28/06/2018 09:44

I just came across this thread. I would definitely not say the UK. Public transport in London is quite good compared to other places, but even then, if you can’t use the stairs like I couldn’t last year, it’s very hard. Our tube station is only accessible by stairs and I was trying to get around with a white cane, and orthopedic boot and crutches.

And don’t even ask about the hell that has been trying to get any sort of accommodation at school, especially since I am a British citizen but I lived abroad, so I couldn’t get any access to benefits. I keep trying to find volunteer placements as well, and I’m getting nowhere. Sometimes it’s because of health and safety, even with an assistant, they said no, blah blah blah. It’s not an easy place.

I think a lot of people will disagree here, but I do find friends to be quite good. Things are broiled at the supermarket, sorry braille, and you have priority lines in a lot of places. I needed to use the national Library in Paris, The registration card was free and it was free also for my companion. I have a few friends blind friends, friends blind friends, since my mother is French and she’s been trying to get me a French passport since I have some family there. So I have spent a decent amount of time there. When you can find the helpful people at the train stations in Paris, they are helpful and get you to where you need to go. When I hurt my foot, I was there for the weekend, and at every single train station, even on the Paris metro they provided a wheelchair. My grandmother used to live next to a work place for people with down syndrome, and I think in Paris there is a café run by the deaf.. I noticed there were also quite a few programs on disability on the TV. I’m always looking out for these things, they even had programs on learning disabilities since I remember one on down syndrome.

The attitude of the people, in my case anyway, has been quite positive. I have also lived in Italy for a few years, in Germany for three months, I hated it, and spent time in Greece and Spain. I would say, the hardest place, and one I would never want to live is Germany. For many many reasons. I have heard Marburg is good, since it has the school for visually impaired, but where I was, it was awful. You might have discounts when you enter the theater, or whatever, but I couldn’t even buy the ticket on any of the public transport since you have to push buttons on the machine, and then no one would be helpful when I ask him where things were. My mother was with me and I remember she was trying to help me to find a flat, no luck. Even the building for the blind, or the Blind office walls they weren’t allowed to put the sign in braille. Not a very inclusive place by any means and I can totally understand why there are so many special needs school, have you looked at places like Carnoble in France sorry, dictation can’t do that one I’m going to try and spell it. GRENOBLEE. I think it won the disability city award a few years ago.

catinasplashofsunshine · 28/06/2018 10:53

That's incredibly useful information hellokittymama , thank you. I didn't know about the accessible city awards and they look like a good source of places to investigate.

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catinasplashofsunshine · 28/06/2018 10:54

Sorry, hellokuttymania I mean, not mama

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