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any USA expats who've gone through middle/high school choices?

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DeliveredByKiki · 20/01/2018 03:58

we're a few years away and actually hoping to be back in the UK by then anyway but am starting to look into it as DS finishes Elementary in 2.5years.

I'm wondering about sending him to a school that does IB rather than US High School Diploma so then if we made the move back to the UK he'd be able to continue with one consistent FE qualification.

Any thoughts (I'm at the v beginning of thinking about this!)

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mathanxiety · 21/01/2018 01:55

If you're sure you will be moving back, I would choose the IB. It's not just because the curriculum in the UK after GCSE is less broad, but because the skills, GPA system, and the testing in the mainstream system bear little resemblance to the UK system. I would be sure to find an IB school in the UK.

DeliveredByKiki · 21/01/2018 04:36

We’re not at all sure what we’re doing So I’m wondering if IB is the way to cover all bases

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KickAssAngel · 21/01/2018 04:48

I teach 8th grade in the US and we're British.

I would say that it doesn't really matter for middle school, but for high school we've chosen somewhere for Dd that does IB. She thinks of herself as American (she was 5 when we moved here) but even so may consider a UK university. The US system of AP classes, diploma etc is almost impossible to translate to UK qualifications and probably your DS would need to do some kind of access course to get into a UK uni. It would also be easier for him to start A levels if he's been following an IB program as it's more similar to UK GCSEs than the US system.

Another thing to think about - to pay UK tuition fees at a UK uni, the student has to have been resident in the UK for the previous 3 years.

But is sounds like you have at least a decade to figure all this out, so it will probably change it that time.

Bue · 21/01/2018 07:03

I agree IB might be your best bet, however you definitely don't need to do an access course to get into a UK uni from the American high school system.

As an example you can see what Oxford accepts here https://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/undergraduate/international-students/international-qualifications?wssl=1#

DeliveredByKiki · 21/01/2018 18:13

Yeah KickAss I know about the 3yr residency (more amunition on my side to go home!) so on that level we have about 5/6yrs to decide

Thanks both, really helpful

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Skowvegas · 23/01/2018 01:20

As an example you can see what Oxford accepts here

Cool, never seen that before. My DD has the grades for Oxford. She's in the US high school system.

WillPenn · 28/01/2018 13:30

Speaking as a lecturer at a UK university, there is rarely any need for applicants with a US high school diploma to do an access course. We have loads of students at our university who got in on the basis of their SAT scores and GPA.

Am on here because we might move to the US this year (waiting on results of a job interview!) and I have thought too about the possibility of my kids going to an IB school. I have heard that the IB is really only advisable for kids who are true all-rounders as it is hard to get a great score that will get you into a top university.

SeaToSki · 28/01/2018 13:39

My understanding is that the US courses are a year behind the UK courses in terms of content (the US make it up in the first year of College, which is why they do 4 years compared to the UK 3 years). So if you want to transition back to a UK university having done the US high school curriculum, then you would need to make sure your dc had access to AP courses at their school to cover the same content. The other thing to consider is that if they are interested in history, they are going to come out of the US system with little to no English history and a small amount of European - might be tricky meshing with the UK university content. In English, they are mostly going to read American authors, not necessarily a problem, but might give them some content gaps. They are also going to have to transition to British spelling, which is easy but a PITA.

Skowvegas · 28/01/2018 22:57

TBF I came out of the UK system with little knowledge of UK or European history because I dropped history at 13. My DD is doing AP European history and a Shakespearean Lit course at her US high. If you know you're likely to do to a UK uni there are often choices you can make in US high school in preparation.

mathanxiety · 29/01/2018 04:35

Those who do AP courses also do the four years, SeaToSki. A lot of universities will allow a student to do 150 or 200 level courses in the AP subjects if they have attained a 4 or 5 in AP exams, but some disregard APs.

Most highly selective universities have a Core curriculum which all students admitted must follow for at least part of the first two years, often alongside courses that are part of their major.

The four year university system is not just to allow weaker students to catch up. The philosophy of breadth, of the well-educated citizen, and the importance of a common vocabulary is expressed in the American education concept - hence the broad curriculum in high school and also the four years in university where a broad curriculum is the aim too - even universities that are not Ivy Leagues can require that all students pass a certain level of English, math, science, mfl and humanities courses before they can graduate.

Here is a succinct idea of what core coursework aims at, in this case from the University of Chicago's website.
collegeadmissions.uchicago.edu/academics/core
A University of Chicago education is more than a set of skills, a rite of passage, or even the ability to think critically. It is an experience—part of a lifelong dialogue that encourages students to converse across cultures and disciplines—and is guided by 75 years of experience with a Core tradition.

This famed Core curriculum, a model for American general education, is the University of Chicago student’s introduction to the tools of inquiry used in every discipline—science, mathematics, humanities, and social sciences. The goal is not just to transfer knowledge, but to raise fundamental questions and become familiar with the powerful ideas that shape our society.

Not only does the curriculum provide the background for any major and for continuing study after graduation, it also provides a common experience for all students in the College. All students have taken the same sorts of classes and read the same kinds of texts, struggling and triumphing over the same sorts of ideas. This gives every student a common vocabulary of ideas and skills, no matter his or her background before coming to the College.

collegeadmissions.uchicago.edu/sites/default/files/uploads/pdfs/brochure_core.pdf
A vital tenet of the Core is that interdisciplinary collaboration can illuminate complex problems—and that this exploration is best achieved when students are well-versed in multiple disciplines.

The Core offers broad exposure to the arts and sciences so that all students gain a multitude of perspectives regardless of their major.

Cross fertilising of ideas is another important ideal behind the American system. (This is an ideal not shared by the UK education system.)

MrsSchadenfreude · 18/02/2018 21:24

DD1 has a US High School Diploma and the IB diploma. A lot of the RG universities are starting to realise just how hard the IB is, and that it doesn't have the grade inflation of A levels. DD1 has a place at Warwick, despite having a relatively low (32 points) IB score.

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