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Moving to US- Chicago or Atlanta

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MrsWindsor14 · 15/06/2017 10:22

Wise mumsnetters,
We are currently considering a move to the US and I need your advice.
This move would be for my OH job and the company have given us the choice of Atlanta or Chicago.
We have two kids, 3 and 6 months. I currently work 3 days a week (when not on maternity leave) and am very worried about not working/having a purpose other than childcare. We have tried moving away from friends/my work before and I struggled so much we moved back.
I like the idea of this adventure while the kids are young enough for it not to hugely impact on schooling but I would love your advice on whether Chicago or Atlanta would be better?
Chicago appeals for the culture, accessible museums etc but moving to a built up city is a concern with two little ones. Is there a good community of mums, lots of classes etc?
Atlanta seems like more of a suburban life which makes me think we might be isolated?
Any advice and experience would be greatly appreciated! Tia x

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SenecaFalls · 16/06/2017 02:16

Good point newbian. It's a very historically significant community for the whole country as well. And the community that gave the world Martin Luther King, Jr.

RhythmAndStealth · 16/06/2017 02:18

Chicago, I like the architecture.

misssmilla1 · 16/06/2017 03:50

One thing to consider about meeting people, is the very different approach to maternity leave the US has.

I say this, as lots of people can only take 2-3 months of maternity (and thats if they're lucky) and then have to go back to work or make the decision to stay at home. Its a game changer imo in regards to meeting people, as you (or I didn't anyway) don't have time to cement friendships before we all went back to work.

On the up side, there's likely to be people who have chosen to stay at home that have kids your age (mainly, in my experience because work, daycare, commute etc doesn't work) One thing worth considering is daycare / nursery a couple of days a week for the kids, if you want some downtime

Worth considering this as part of your move, in regards to what's available in the areas you're looking in. When we moved to our new house, daycare for under 1's was hot property.

Take a look on meetup for local mum groups, and I can also recommend internations for international meet ups. Also worth looking at stuff like 'mommy and me' classes

BritInUS1 · 16/06/2017 05:44

If you are likely to want to work look into the visas very carefully as they don't all allow the spouse to work x

AppleMagic · 16/06/2017 05:54

Chicago. But unless you have a generous expat package you'll want to live in one of the suburbs. Rents are very high as you'd need to live in one of the good school districts (and there are very few in the city) or pay around $20-30k pa per child in school fees). Salaries are much higher than in the U.K. and the cost of living is very high. It would be very easy to think you would be earning enough to be comfortable and then end up struggling.

Loopytiles · 16/06/2017 06:22

IF you can't get a visa, how will the career break affect your employment prospects on return? Badly, probably.

I wouldn't personally want to risk my financial/labour market position.

"Adventure" is fine,but only if you both actually want to do it.

mathanxiety · 16/06/2017 06:48

I live in the Chicago area and have brought up 5 DCs here, and I love it.

I actually live in a suburb that abuts the city limits. It has been a really wonderful place to bring up children. It is walkable and bikeable (there are Divvy bike rental spots all over the place), there are lovely public facilities (parks and rec department that maintain great playgrounds and parks, including tennis courts, basketball courts, skate park, and run classes in all sorts of areas from sports to arts for all ages) libraries to die for, two public swimming pools, an all year rink, playing fields and volunteers who coach t-ball, baseball, softball, soccer, volunteer organisations that run children's sports leagues. The schools are great in those places. Access to Chicago is fast and convenient by rail or car.

A previous poster mentioned Evanston - there are other places of similar ilk: Riverside, Oak Park, River Forest to name some obvious choices. Skokie is also very nice. All are very middle class, with Oak Park, Evanston and Skokie also very diverse in terms of income levels, and ethnic and racial integration. Oak Park, Evanston, Skokie and River Forest also have both local and regional rail links to Chicago itself, Oak Park with two local rail lines going all the way through is especially blessed. Riverside has a regional rail link. Oak Park, Skokie and Evanston have borders with Chicago.

Within Chicago itself there are many areas that are single family home-style residential, that are nice, and have solid local schools. Beverley/Morgan Park spring to mind immediately, on the SW side. Hyde Park is a gorgeous area with lots of apartments and also single family homes, a very lively arts scene, restaurants, and the lake at your doorstep. Lakeview is nice (apartments for the most part). Edgewater, Near South Side/South Loop/Printers' Row (proximity to Shedd Aquarium and Adler Planetarium), Lincoln Square and North Center are also nice, and maybe Portage Park. Roscoe Village is nice, as are Ukrainian Village, Sauganash, Edison Park, Bucktown, Mount Greenwood, Rogers Park...

You do get cold winters in Chicago, but obviously millions of people survive and thrive. Kids walk to school - for the most part there are no uniforms except for private schools (in the burbs anyway) so dressing for the weather is possible. Winter sports are very popular. The streets are cleared in both city and suburbs, fairly fast, and people do not for the most part miss school or work because of winter weather. People shovel the sidewalks in front of their houses and will often do their neighbours' sidewalks too. My experience of winter is obv different from that of 24balloons. Dress appropriately and nothing will stop you ime. For me, appropriately means a down filled 3/4 length jacket, jeans and a pair of snow boots for snow, and other boots for cold. It is a dry cold. My DCs walk to school with jackets, jeans, hats.

Summers can be hot and humid. The lake moderates temps right along the shore (including the eastern half of the city) to a certain extent, but by mid July it is definitely hot everywhere. AC is a necessity - most apartments and houses will at least have window units. Evanston is on the lake and has public beaches and communities elsewhere have public pools. There is lots to do indoors all over Chicagoland.

You can also get away to Wisconsin or Michigan or Indiana very easily for lovely holiday spots - Door County and Washington Island in Wisconsin are very affordable and easy to get to, Wisconsin Dells is pretty, the Indiana Dunes can be accessed by train from the city, Michigan offers a multitude of lovely sandy beaches and other attractions for family getaways. Summer fests of various stripes can be lively events in Chicago and Milwaukee. Chicago offers endless night life, restaurants, a cultural scene that features everything from the Chicago Symphony Orchestra and the best classical music station in the world to a very active avant garde rap and rock scene, and of course Chicago blues. There are incredible opportunities for children and adults to get involved in music and the arts. The Art Institute is a fantastic resource, as is the Old Town School of Folk Music.

It is easy to be misled into thinking that the gun violence that makes the headlines affects the whole city and suburban areas. I leave my door unlocked more often than not, and rarely lock my car. My mum (in Dublin) is horrified at my casual ways. Most areas of the city are unscathed, and most of the suburbs too - there is not even graffiti where I live. If it appears anywhere it is cleaned off by the police.

In terms of attitudes, Chicago is a Democrat-voting area. It grew as a blue collar, RC and Jewish town, very Irish, German, Italian and Polish in terms of ethnic mix of the majority of settlers, with protestant fundamentalism not much in evidence at all. A birds' eye view of the city and near suburbs will reveal many of the old RC churches built by the communities they served. It currently has a huge hispanic population and of course the Great Migration meant a huge influx of African Americans from the Delta (hence the Blues). The Great Migration brought the black Baptist church to the city. The suburb where I live is known for being very progressive.

Some of the inner suburbs were founded by fairly uptight members of straightlaced churches (Evanston, founded by Methodists, was once jokingly known as Heavenston; Oak Park was described by native son Ernest Hemingway as a place of wide lawns and narrow minds) but the influence of the more relaxed European (Jewish and RC) immigrants changed all that. Oak Park and River Forest were for a while during the 60s and 70s known as Toke Park and Reefer Forest...

Chicago has several major universities - Loyola, Univ of Illinois at Chicago, DePaul, and the U of Chicago (

mathanxiety · 16/06/2017 06:53

The schools are great in those places. Access to Chicago is fast and convenient by rail or car.
Refers to places mentioned in the next paragraph...

mathanxiety · 16/06/2017 06:58

Newbian, there is a very significant African American population in Chicago and suburbs, in terms of numbers and also in terms of contribution to the culture of the city.

HollyBollyBooBoo · 16/06/2017 07:02

Think hard about if you really want to go. If you've been away from family before and found it tough I'd be really worried about you.

I've moved abroad twice, it is really hard going even when you're excited and energised by it!

newbian · 16/06/2017 07:25

mathanxiety I am African-American and Atlanta is considered a "mecca" of black culture, it is really something special in the US for that community. I am aware Chicago is diverse as well but Atlanta will provide a unique cultural experience that a visiting British family cannot replicate anywhere else. Also very likely such a family if moving to Chicago would end up in the suburbs which are far less diverse than the city proper. Whereas Atlanta has a very large professional/wealthy black community that live in big fancy suburban houses just like the white families do.

I have no dog in the fight, I am not from either city. Just if I were going abroad for a few years I would consider what will be the more eye-opening/education experience especially for my children in terms of the people they will meet, interact with, etc.

BeALert · 17/06/2017 01:14

You sound a bit like you've already decided what you're going to hate about each place. I'm not sure your mindset is right for moving abroad tbh.

I've lived all over the US and found people to be welcoming and friendly. I've never been lonely for long.

I would choose Chicago of those two, but I'd live in one of the suburbs. I know Chicago pretty well and gun violence is low on my list of worries. The traffic is pretty terrible though. Mind you, coming from the UK it'll probably feel just like home :-)

FreeNiki · 17/06/2017 01:18

I have a friend who is native to Georgia and lives just outside of Atlanta.

He is an atheist and felt strange about telling people. It is bible belt, religion obsessed, creationist, conservative attitudes.

Couldn't live there would choose Chicago.

mathanxiety · 17/06/2017 02:19

I agree that Atlanta would provide a unique cultural experience in terms of black culture.

Some Chicago suburbs are a good deal more integrated than others. Some areas of the city are not at all integrated. Chicago is a city of neighbourhoods and the neighbourhoods all have a different character.

As suburbs go, Evanston, Skokie and Oak Park are particularly diverse, with many ethnicities represented, and also a strong commitment to the 'separation of church and state' 'model of what America should be.

If I were moving to the Chicago area and hoping to make friends, stay close to the main urban area and feel less like a blow in, I would choose Evanston or Oak Park in the burbs, or Hyde Park in the city.

I would avoid places like Hinsdale, Arlington Heights, Winnetka, Naperville...

Sprinklestar · 17/06/2017 02:25

Whatever you do, do not move on an H1B/H4 visa.

MrsWindsor14 · 17/06/2017 08:57

My DH is will have an L1 visa which I believe will allow me to work. I have lived abroad before in Italy for 2 years (before children) and loved that experience but I just want to get as much information as possible before deciding.

Newbian I love the idea of having a different experience for both us and the kids in Atlanta. Also having more space for the family, a lower cost of living and better weather!

Thank you everyone for your input. We have a lot to think about and your advice is really helpful.

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PineappleScrunchie · 17/06/2017 22:44

At the moment as an L2 visa holder you can apply for a EAD and work (this can take a long time to come through though and need to be renewed frequently causing a reasonable amount of stress). It is also not outside the realms of possibility that L2s will no longer be allowed to work in the future. It might be worth your DH trying to negotiate green card sponsorship as part of his package if you are planning to stay more than a couple of years.

ThanksMsMay · 17/06/2017 22:45

Chicago is cold.

PineappleScrunchie · 17/06/2017 22:55

It's cold in Winter but the summer is glorious.

SuperBeagle · 17/06/2017 23:08

I'd choose Atlanta, but that's because I really love Georgia (Savannah is the nicest city in Georgia, IMO), and the South in general. It has a lot more than just Bible thumping types.

thekingfisher · 17/06/2017 23:17

I lived in Chicago for 2 years albeit a few years ago now when my ds was 2-4.
Pm me if you'd like more info but I'd go back like a shot - loved it winters and all ! We lived on the Gold Coast for a year and Lincoln park the 2nd .

mathanxiety · 18/06/2017 01:34

It's 27° currently (7:30pm) in Chicago.
I sort of wish it was cold. I miss winter.

Want2bSupermum · 20/06/2017 02:05

It wholly depends on your package. Chicago is a lot more expensive compared to Atlanta. If your income is below $150k I would pick Atlanta. If over $200k I'd pick Chicago. If $130-180k but includes school fees I'd have a hard time picking.

Atlanta is still silently segregated. Yes you have black Americans who are professionals but there is still some separation and I don't like that for my kids. You will find that all over America, heck I found it in a progressive community in North Jersey, I just refuse to raise our family in that environment.

Justdontgetitatall · 20/06/2017 02:22

Atlanta is horrific!

mathanxiety · 20/06/2017 04:40

School fees?
There are excellent public schools..

The children are too young for school anyway, and apparently it is not a lifelong posting.

You could live well in Chicago on $150,000.

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