Brexit - impact on EU cities

[Bobochic]

What do you think will be the impact of Brexit on life for international families in Paris/Frankfurt/Amsterdam etc if businesses and institutions relocate from London to other major EU cities? I have heard rumblings about expanding the number of school places in international and bilingual schools (and there is pressure on such schools already and, in Paris, little room for growth). What about the impact on housing? And other facilities?

There's already a major shortage of decent native speaker English teachers. Terrible ones are two a penny but competent ones are rare as hell.

I've never heard of anyone who lives here already even applying to teach at the international schools (fairly) locally - there are rarely vacancies advertised, and when there are they always specify International Baccalaureat experience as necessary. I have looked, but never seriously considered applying as I have no International Baccalaureat experience at all, but also because I assume fee paying schools expect you to sell them your soul and spend no daylight hours during term time with your own children (based perhaps erroneously on my own UK private school experience). Apparently they always need daily supply teachers though.

IB is perhaps a bit different - teachers trained in national systems aren't necessarily right or equipped for IB schools (which personally I think are mostly mumbo jumbo, except for the actual dip,oma course).

If employers or employees move out of the UK will the availability of International School places play a part in the which City/Country they move to?
My impression is that employers are looking to reduce "expat" hire with all the extra costs in favour of "local hires" who will have to pay for accommodation and schooling themselves. Which then begs the question "who can fund International schooling out of net salary"

I know that Amsterdam and Luxembourg are adding extra expat schooling capacity - Luxembourg's is government funded whereas Amsterdam's isn't.

I know a lot of DC (including in my family) who have done PYP and it really is mumbo jumbo! The DC don't know anything at the end of primary ;) MYP is (a bit) better.

You do not need GCSEs however to go to UK universities, nor A levels. There are equivalency tables for qualifications from other countries for entry to UK universities, EU and non EU students are extremely lucrative to these businesses these days.

There really is no disadvantage to not having GCSEs when applying to university.

I already said above that the IB diploma course is fine, but that it is the rest of the programme that is strange.

I did not feel my son was at any disadvantage whatsoever of lack of evidence at age 16, it did make the UCAS form harder to fill in, but the universities judged him on his ability, not his circumstances meaning lack of opportunity to get GCSEs. His university has something like 30% undergrads are non UK educated, you cannot seriously say there is a disadvantage??? I know dozens of students educated in our local school system who got places at UK universities without GCSEs, including Russell Group, Oxbridge, with just a Belgian school leaving certificate!!!

He was told (off the record by an estate agent) that, due to the Brexit vote, local landlords were reluctant to rent to Brits now I think the l/ls need to see why the Brits are here. With dh's employer, Brexit will make damn all difference, and they have to employ Brits.

8% increase in applications from the EU through UCAS at this stage in the cycle compared to last year. It may change as it is relatively early in the cycle. The recent student funding announcements may have helped.

It s not anecdotal evidence in is fact that uk universities are packed with eu undergrads many of whom have no gases or equivalent and the group of over 150 members I am in supporting English speaking higher education students has not reported any particular problem with lack of gases but it s obvious from the group consistency is less likely with eu candidates without a levels or ib.

UCAS press release on 27 October provides the latest information on applications. UCAS release application data fairly regularly during the cycle so it should be possible to keep an eye on the situation.

Motheroffourdragons - in practice, universities use EU applicants' predicted grades in their bac (or whatever exam they are taking) and give conditional offers based on those. Lack of GCSEs is not a problem - on the contrary, it is much easier to inflate predicted grades than actual GCSE grades in order to secure a conditional offer :)

interesting question OP

I think it depends on what the impact actually is, in practice, when this is all agreed

i.e. If company X relocates from London to Paris, what % of the workforce relocates, and how do visa requirements and "will to move" impact that? That probably depends a lot on the people involved, the location within the UK and the nature of the business, but it's also a factor in why corporate relocation is actually a huge big deal and not to be taken lightly. HSBC went through this when they contemplated moving back to HK and decided not to in the end.

Some of the world's largest expat hubs- Hong Kong, Singapore, Sydney, New York, require British nationals to have visas to work there. It hasn't stopped them coming. Some places where Brits are free to work now have relatively few. Stringency and proof of burden will play a huge role- i.e. does the employer have to prove a local cant do it, or is it more a case of "you can come but no recourse to the state"