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Anyone with experience of living in Saudi? esp Riyadh...

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hazlinh · 02/02/2007 10:25

DH may get sent to work there...Not sure what to expect..anyone living there or has lived there in the past? Not sure if me and 3yr old DD shd go with him or stay where we are...much thx in advance..

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FioFio · 02/02/2007 10:28

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hazlinh · 02/02/2007 10:39

hi fiofio..what's it like to live there? as a woman esp? no driving and having to be accompanied and covered up?

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SmileysPeople · 02/02/2007 10:50

My parents lived there when I was a teenager, I got sent back here to school. We also lioved in bahrain before this, I was born there and went to school there.

It's a while ago, but TBH my Mum hated Saudi and felt very constrained and bored. She was at home alot herself though as me and my brother away at school, probsbly different if you have a young child.

The plus side was a good social life, we lived on a swish compound with nice villas and a pool, and there was quite a community atmosphere in there.

I thought though that many men were now not taking their families, and unacompanied men with fequent leave are more the norm. I may be wrong though.

Of course the biggest benefit is the money. My parents stuck it out for about 7yrs, and it gave them a great nest egg for retirement.

I'm sure someone will have more recent experience.

SmileysPeople · 02/02/2007 10:52

Even as a 12yr old girl I had to cover up.

Most of us wore Abbias (black cloak thing) as it was easier and you were less conspicuous.

It wasn't a problem but you could feel uncomfortable at times.

Again I've heard it's even mopre strict now.

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wannaBeWhateverIWannaBe · 02/02/2007 15:45

my dad worked out there when I was 5, so about 27/8 years ago. he had a contract out there so we didn't live there. however, he said that women aren't allowed to drive, they have segrigated areas on busses have to walk three paces behind the men, have to cover up etc. They literally are second-class citizins out there and I wouldn't go and live there for any money in the world.

He earned very good money though but ...

the boss of the camp of the company he was working for was murdered while he was out there. All the foreigners had their passports taken off them while the police tried to find the killer, no-one was allowed to leave and my dad was stuck out there for 9 months. The foreign office got involved and it was even all over the papers. Eventually they got out (my dad was the first out followed by others) and he swore he'd never go back there.

alibubbles · 02/02/2007 21:02

I spent a month there last summer and the summer before, I will go again this year. My sister lives there. Ask me anything you like. I love it there, so does she. She is a midwife and working. I would move there tomorrow. Yes ther are some things you can't do, but Hey, my sis has a driver, a houseboy, a chef and a pool to herself and a massive house!

The shopping is amazing, Carrefour has everything, you arrive just before prayer time and they lock you in, so you continue to do your shopping in peace, in an empty store. Ikea is the same, but much more cicilised than Ikea here. I had never been to Ikea here and went and asked for the puschair loan and for them to take my shopping to the car, they looked at me as if I was mad!

fuzzywuzzy · 02/02/2007 21:07

I've not worked there, but ermmm I do know that one can walk beside ones husband. I was last there about 9 years ago and nobody said a thing when dh and I strolled down the street hand in hand.

hazlinh · 03/02/2007 15:49

wow what a mix of opinions...

alibubbles..how long has your sis been working there?and how long does she plan on staying?
houseboy eh?what do those do then??
what do women do for entertainment? and what's the security situation there like?

any good international schools for little ones..?
much thx

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alibubbles · 03/02/2007 19:19

DS husband did a three year tour, they came home for the next posting and then jumped at the chance to go back, she has been there 18 months so far this time.

Houseboy does everything from washing, ironing, cleaning to looking after the children. They do everything you want them to. My sis lets hers go at 2.00pm as she doesn't have children there. they start at 6.00am and work till 6.00pm.

He takes my sister to work and back, he'll take me shopping wherever I want to go, keep any eye on the car while it is parked, carries my shopping, he is a lovely man, has a wife and child back in Kerala.

Sis lives on a very secure compound, but she plays a lot of golf, swims 100 lengths a day, plays tennis, have lots of entertaining to do, but she does also work 40 hours shifts as a midwife. She has about 50 -60 babies born a day, some of them are 15th and 16th babies, no anrenatal care either, some of them come in from the desert to give birth, 5th and 6th cesarians ar not uncommon, nor is 12 year old girls having babies.

I felt very safe, I loved wearing my abaya, didn't have to think about what to wear, apart from on the compound, they are very cool as the heat can reach 48-50c, there is no humidity so is easier to tolerate. You don't burn as there is so much sand in the air, it is like a smog!

hazlinh · 05/02/2007 03:06

hiya alibubbles..
thanks for the info.

ok these might be silly questions:

are there classes for women, eg yoga, belly-dancing, language classes eg french and the like? and will i be able to get my usual contraceptives there eg loette or the equivalent?

and what is the shopping there like?

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Egypt · 05/02/2007 06:31

hi
i lived there from 2000-2002 with dh. IT IS FINE. we loved it. i did teach however, which probably kept me a bit more active as women can really only work in the teaching and nursing professions.

you would get placed on a compound of your choice which is basically like a plush holiday resort wih leisure facilities, pools, shops on the larger ones, plenty of groups to join in possibly yours or other's compounds. you'll develop a good social life, excellent in fact although we were there before children. if you can meet someone with links to the british or american or any other embassy you can get your name put on the list for many many social gatherings/parties where there is REAL alcohol! yes drinking is illegal, but a blind eye is turned inside these places. everyone brews their own beer and wine at home.

for kids, i dont know much about life outside of school, but there is a superb british school, where i taught in reception , \link{http://www.britishschoolriyadh.com/here}
you couldnt find a better school in the uk i reckon! seriously. your husband's company should pay the fees.

as a woman you would need to either take a taxi places, or i would recommend finding a driver, not a local taxi, who you would use regularly. you'll get to know them and can trust them and they will just take you where u want to go when u want to go, wait for you, take you home, etc. you prob pay them weekly or something. they would drive for other people too. you'd just ask around for someone to give you the number of theirs to share! but, being on a compound would also mean you get a free bus daily to various larger shopping centres/areas. no problem.

you just cover up what you are wearing to go outside of your compound, with an abaya, its just a really thin black material. it buttons over your clothes and you take a thin headscarf to hang around your neck incase the religious police 'matawa' should spot you and shout 'cover your head'. basically you will be thought of by them as a western slut. they're easily recognisable with their long beards and jewellery over their tunics.

the weather is hot in summer months, getting up to 50-60 deg C. yep ! but it is so dry - almost no humidity at all, that you never sweat, can cope so easily with the heat, and like someone said earlier, dont get burnt as there is so much sand in the air! (i dont mean blowing around, but high in the atmosphere, creating a block!) shame, but never got much of a tan there!

you can buy anything you need, but like i said, not so sure about kids, but i had lots of friends with children and there were never any complaints. all compounds run bus services to school for the children, very well monitored and looked after.

but, i wouldnt be so sure about going there now with children. its got a lot more political, and we were there during 9/11 and there were q a few bomb threats. a few people killed from car bombs. we were all told to be vigilant and check cars every day. the week after we left the compound attached to the british school was gatecrashed with openfire. lots of my friends were there. some hurt, no one killed.

you can walk alongside your husband of course. wouldnt hold hands and def no kissing in public! its getting a but better with regards to women, but still most strict place in saudi. kingdon shopping centre has a floor just for women where staff are women!! (revolution) and you can take off your abaya!! eating places have 'family areas' and 'men only areas'. most have booths so local women can remove their face covering and actually eat without being seen by other men!

its all very bizarre and a real eye opener, but honestly, its fine. you tend to live in your little expat bubble until you go shopping. i would just be concerned about the current political issues.

email me if you like, can let you know anything.

oh, the houseboy may come with the company. i lived with dh and his single work colleagues, in a small compound and we all shared a houseboy who did the cooking and another that cleaned and washed, i did nothing at all!!! got to me in the end actually, just being around single guys all the time, so we moved onto a more family orientated compound where i got a cleaner to do a few hours a week when i was at work. ironed and cleaned the house. niiiiice.

Egypt · 05/02/2007 06:32

oh and medical side is good. very good in fact. you will get private medical insurance. you can get anything that u usually used. lots of classes for women, loads to do, lots of pamper places too!

Egypt · 05/02/2007 06:54

heres one of the nicer compounds to give you an idea cordoba

here's where we lived

sorry here's the schoollink again

alibubbles · 05/02/2007 14:26

Egypt, Is Cordoba the one with "Rock & Gold" shop, if so I had a fabulous ring made there, he remade my engagement ring added MIL's diamond and found a matching one and turned it into a three diasmins across instead of a solitaire.

He will make anything and is a fantastic gold smith. DD took the Tiffany catalogue with her and he is extremely skilled at copying items. He is more expensive, but much better quality than down in the gold souk

My sis plays golf on Cordoba, she is moving to a new biuld slightly further out than she is now, they have just chosen the new furniture, carpets etc, and she lives rent free. Her DH is in the Air force.

Hazlinh, Sis's DH is going to leave the RAF shortly and take up a post as a civilian, but better paid long term.

Several of her friends teach in the British school, most would reccomend sending home to board at year 9. One of her friends teaches in a Saudi School. lots of them give english lessons.

Egypt · 05/02/2007 14:29

i'm not sure alibubbles, i just know cordoba from going to a party at my principal's house!

who is your sister friends with from the brit school? not sure i know anyone left now but maybe....

alibubbles · 05/02/2007 14:57

They are all new in last May/June time, and one in July.

hazlinh · 07/02/2007 09:45

hiya Egypt, thanks for your feedback..actually your compound looks a lot nicer than cordoba! but maybe it's because cordoba doesn't have a nice website???

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Egypt · 07/02/2007 14:31

its def the website!

Egypt · 07/02/2007 14:31

come to a decision yet? its a tough one

musicmum · 09/02/2007 18:02

Hi, I have just moved to Jeddah with my husband and 3 year old daughter. I understand that Riyadh is a bit stricter than here, but the principles are the same.
It is a very different way of life, and a very different culture, but I think we will have a good life here. From a security point of view I feel very safe here, and everyone is very friendly, in fact the saudi's love children and my daughter gets lots of positive attention when we go out. She loves it here already. On a compound, where most westerners live, you can dress and basically do as you want. Choose your compound carefully as they vary in what they offer. Ours is quite family oriented and has a kindergarten and great play park where my daughter spends A LOT of time! There are also several activities and classes to get involved with, but not all compounds have all this. Most will have buses to take you shopping, and to take children to school and some have cars that you can hire to take you where you want to go. Some people have drivers and most have maids, who will do all the housework if you want. Life here is really what you make of it. There is plenty to get involved with and to do if you want to, and young children adapt easily and get on with children of all nationalities. If your DH is being offered a good package with work then it is also a good opportunity to save money, to give you more choice of what to do in the future. Although I miss my friends and family, I don't regret the decision to come out here, but only you know what is right for your family. Good luck with whatever you choose to do.

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musicmum · 10/02/2007 09:19

We live in the northern part of Jeddah, not far from the airport in a compound called Sierra Village. I am told the temperature will probably be in the high 30's around Easter, but I have only been here a few weeks, so have not had experience of the really hot temps yet,it is very pleasant just now. My daughter and I will be coming back to the UK for the summer as we are told it is quite unbearable then. Let me know when you are coming out.

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