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helpful advice pls on moving to NZ

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Charliedane · 19/01/2007 15:13

Hi guys... am considering a move to NZ and would like to hear from any Brits who have done so in the last couple of years. Would like to know how you went about it, paperwork wise, advice re healthcare out there, etc., and would love to know what area you live in and what areas you know/would recommend... Thank you.

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Charliedane · 20/01/2007 13:19

Anyone.. please????

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sibble · 20/01/2007 18:35

Hi

I like 20-30 mins south of Auckland and made the move 4 years ago. There are a few threads going at the moment with people wanting to move here. Feels like most of mumsnet will soon be here. I can't do links but scroll down the living abroad section and check out these sites:

Christchurch, NZ.....looking into poss of emigrating, anyone know area well

Emigrating to NZ - where to start

Going to check out New Zealand in April re moving there - can anyone help with Auckland & Tauranga queries et

A little bit of kiwi

Hope this helps. Let me know if there's anything else.

sibble

Charliedane · 22/01/2007 15:56

Thanks... I have checked them out and they do help. Where did you come from in the UK? Do you regret the move? What are the best and worst things iyo about NZ compared to UK? Have you settled well and do you have a job?

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sibble · 22/01/2007 18:44

Hi Charliedane

I've been here 4 years and to be honest have only really started enjoying it over the past few month. The worst thing is being so far from home, family and friends. I don't miss England itself, but familiarity. Being able to phone/see a friend when you are happy/sad and not worry about the time difference. Since we have been here I have had 1 m/c and had DS2. I would have loved my family around me at these times. My sister has had a cancer scare. I have missed the birth of my only neice etc etc......... I miss dark cold christmas', friends I can chat with without thinking and who know everything about me, people I can sit in a room with and not talk because we don't need to....I miss stupid things like department stores and shopping with girlfriends.

But I love DS1's school. 105 children, 20 per class, 1 teacher, 1 teachers aide and a band of parent helpers. Our 11 acres, pool, spa, 20 mins from Auckland and 15 mins from heaps of beaches. I love summer and spending all day outside with the boys in virtually guaranteed sun. Opportunity. Whether it's a lack of class system or what but you feel that you really can achieve what you want here and you can have so much more. There are obviously weirdos everywhere but IMO it is safer for children.

I freelance for the University so I can work around the children and have my own business I run from home. Most people here have their own business of some description. Great tax breaks, chance to top up salaries and for me flexibility to fit in around boys.

News last night though Auckland second to London for property prices. If you bring sterling and get a good exchange rate (as we did) you will be fine but locals getting on the property ladder have the same problems as at home. Don't think it's cheap, cost of living is quite high once you stop converting and start living with a NZ salary. I know a few people who have gone to Dubai lately as NZ not as cheap as they thought and they have run out of money.

Have to go DS2 in bad mood this morning. Speak again soon.

Sibble

farawaytree · 28/01/2007 20:26

oooh Sibble, you sound so sad on your last post. I will be coming 8 weeks today, although I can't offer you the lifelong friend that knows everything about you, how about I bring some brown sauce?

sibble · 28/01/2007 22:17

Hi Thanks Farawaytree.

The post did sound sad and I didn't mean it to sound quite like that. I do love it here but I do find it hard.

Anyway, brown sauce, now that should have been top of my list. Ican get HP but not Daddies (my personnal favourite). I take my own to sausage sizzles!! at first much to the amusement of other mums, but now the band of English mum's at school hover with their sausages until I bring it out my handbag (you can take the girl out of Essex.....). I am now soooooooo popular .

Hope we can catch up.

Sibble

JackieNo · 28/01/2007 22:18

MrsJohnCusack moved there a few months ago - she might have some suggestions.

suejonezisdanielsmummy · 28/01/2007 22:21

Took the words out of my mouth Jackie - will ask her to post here when I stumble across her...

MrsJohnCusack · 28/01/2007 22:41

hi Charliedane
I moved here in September, to Christchurch - I posted quite a lot on the 'Christchurch, NZ.....looking into poss of emigrating, anyone know area well' thread.

for me the paperwork was pretty easy as my parents are Kiwis and I have citizenship so probably not the best person to advise on that (DH and DD had to apply to join me and that was a palaver but they were always fairly certain to get residency, we just had to jump through all the hoops).

Most people who come will come in on the Skilled immigrants scheme, where you need to collect a certain number of points for entry - the points are given for things like qualifications, area of work (some get a lot more as we're short of those professions in NZ), age, bla bla bla. You can find all the info on this on these sites here and here . There is quite a lot of paperwork and medicals etc. and at the moment it takes quite a few months and costs a bit of cash.

healthcare - there is public healthcare, am about to have my 2nd baby here and so far it's about 100 times nicer than the NHS in London! (and all free apart from a small payment for scans) It's easy to find a GP (you can more or less go to any one you like), but you do have to pay a small amount per visit. They have Plunkett nurses, simlar I think to health visitors. But operations etc., there will be waiting lists like in the UK - not as extensive usually, but all the same problems with lists being closed, waiting for ages for non-emergency treatment etc. Lots of people do have private health care insurance, and there are lots of private hospitals.

The BEST thing is just life is so much easier - no sitting in traffic for hours to do things, no waiting for ever at the doctors/midwives/garage. We live in the catchment area for 2 great primary schools now - back in London I have NO IDEA what we were going to do for DD. We bought a 3 bedroom house in a nice area outright with the equity on our crappy flat so we are mortgage free which is bliss. However, cost of living is not as cheap as one might think - when you bring over your sterling on the great exchange rate you feel pretty flush, but once you are living in dollars it's not that cheap. The wages - especially here in Christchurch - are not 2.8 times (the approx exchange rate) the equivalent in pounds, but lots of things (books, CDs, electrical goods, food, airfares, some brands of cars) are getting towards 3 times the equivalent in pounds so they are a lot more expensive relative to your income IYSWIM. Houses are much cheaper here in ChCH than they are in Auckland/Wellington - and they have all the same problems as the UK with people not being able to get on the housing ladder as the average house price compared to the average income is getting further away.

BUT we live 20 minutes from lovely beaches and 15 minutes from the city centre in a great area with a view of beautiful hills from the front of the house. We can walk to all kinds of lovely places, life is laid back, people are friendly, and it's really child friendly. There are lots of great leisure/sports facilities which you can actually use without it being a total hassle, great libraries, art galleries/museums/lots of events going on.

The worst thing is being so far away from family and friends, but I think we have all agreed it's definitely worth it for us. We were always going to come to ChCH becuase my parents are here and because we love the South Island (if you want fabulous outdoors/scenery/space/quality of life you can't beat it), but there is definitely a wider range of jobs available in the bigger centres of Auckland/Wellington. Where you move to kind of depends on what you want to do. But I can tell you, we have not regretted it at all. It is a major commitment though, I would suggest a decent recce visit to NZ before you commit to moving. Once your stuff is on a container travelling halfway round the world, you don't want to change your mind!

Tiggerish · 28/01/2007 22:56

Hi Charliedane. I hope you don't mind another (and rather different perpesctive) on this! I do agree with everything MrsJohnCusack says But...
We did the emigrating thing about 4 years ago and were home again in a year. Not because we wimped out - far from it. We bought a house and shipped all our stuff etc. We were intending to stay for at least 2 years and probably long term. My husband was born in ChCh and his family are still there and in Auckland.

We settled in Wellington - in my opinion one of the most beautiful cities anywhere in the world. There were two main reasons we came home. Firstly the education system in NZ stinks. At primary level it isn't too bad but secondary is dire and getting worse. (I am a teacher and saw this at first hand). Most of good schools are abandoning the state system and shifting to the international bacalaureate. Secondly the economy in NZ is not in good shape. Most of the large corporates are moving to Australia or beyond because NZ is just so remote.

It will depend on what sector you intend to work, but be warned it may be a struggle to find work in the field you want.

I still don't regret our time in NZ. In many ways it was really positive, but if I had my time again I would do it very differently.

welliemum · 28/01/2007 23:03

We live near Wellington and have been here 3.5 years, not a second of regret.

The big thing is to figure out what is important to you - NZ and the UK have different problems and different things to offer.

farawaytree · 28/01/2007 23:08

Hi Tiggerish

Would you please mind explaining more about the education system in NZ - we are going for a holiday to see if we like it at Easter and your viewpoint would be appreciated.

MrsJohnCusack · 29/01/2007 01:39

I'd like to know more about the secondary education problems too tiggerish because obviously I haven't any experience of that yet. Is it to do with the NCEA? Personally I think we would be quite interested in the Baccalaureate anyway...

and I do agree about the jobs as well. DH doesn't have one yet as what he did in the Uk just doesn't really exist here. Lots of people do leave here for Oz for jobs. as tiggerish says, it depends what you're looking for. We don't need high powered jobs to live now that we're here so we're quite happy with that!

MrsJohnCusack · 29/01/2007 01:41

as welliemum says even

zimbojules · 29/01/2007 17:24

Hi charlie

We're going to move to Wellington in June. My husband is from there, and I've spent some time there too. It's a fab city, and I think that lifestyle wise it'll be just right for us and our 2 year old. We're currently in London, and don't want to spend until we're 60 working to pay off a mortgage on a small house with a miniscule garden.

Am currently trying to do all the paperwork. quite daunting...

Tiggerish · 29/01/2007 21:44

Essentially the NCEA is the equivalent of the UK's GCSE system. There is however one big difference. In the NCEA you get a basic level pass or fail (which in my opinion is hardly worth the paper it is printed on). In addition to that you can get additional merits for more complex/demanding work. The problem is that there is no incentive for the kids to get them. Merits don't get recorded in a meaningful way and you don't need them to go on to get the equivalent of A levels.

Kids the world over will generally do the least work they can get away with to achieve their goals, so the majority don't bother. The basic pass at NCEA is about equivalent to a D or E grade GCSE (at least it was 4 years ago).

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