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Returning to live in NZ??

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KiwiGirlAdrift · 27/09/2015 23:58

For those NZ mn'ers out there I was wondering what the pros and cons of living in NZ are especially with children and as a family.

I am a kiwi but left NZ when I was 22 after I finished Uni to move to Australia and then onto London 18 months later after I followed my British boyfriend (now my DH) to London. I have been in London about 15 years and spent barely any of my adult life in NZ so need reminding.

I love London, the buzz, have a good career, in laws are around etc but now we have 2 dc (5&7), we are thinking of a move to NZ for a better life and to spend more time with my friends and family. If we did move, I wouldn't know where to start, I am from Dunedin and I do feel at home whenever I am back but after so long in London I don't know if I could settle in a city like Dunedin. One of the biggest reasons why I left Dunedin was the isolation, do I really want inflict my kids on what I hated as a teen. It is a good place to raise a family also not that I realised that as a teenager We are also considering Wellington but I know f all about it (suburbs, schools, jobs etc) and none of my family live there (all live in the south or Auckland).

And life is fabulous in London, do I really want to mess it all up?! Thanks for listening to my rambling Grin

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JellyTipisthebest · 28/09/2015 06:52

I live here in CHCH and have done for 2 and a half years moving from Bristol. If all your family are n the south Island I would look at being somewhere on the south Island. The cost of getting to the north island is expensive. For a family car with roof box and a trailer you could be looking at nearly $900 return trip so a camping trip to visit family at Christmas is going to get expensive.

We are enjoying life here. The kids are loving going to the beach loads in the summer and doing rugby and hockey in the winter. Ours kids are (10 and 14)
They also like skiing which is much cheaper here.

Is there any way you could come over for a year or 2 and see if you like it. A friend of mine did all her adult growing up in the UK then moved to her home country and she has really found it hard. If you do come make sure you sort your visia or citizenship out for the uk before you leave so that you could go back if you wanted to. It seams to be getting harder for kiwis to get uk vizas even if you have married a britt.

Look up property prices on www.trademe.co.nz The exchange rate is in your favour at the moment so you £ will be worth more $.

We pay $550 for a 4 bed 2 bathroom house. Its a modern house with heat pumps and double glazing. Rents in Chch are slowly coming down as the short term rental need while people get their homes fixed is almost gone. Most homes should be fixed by this time next year.

Both have settled into school really well here. School is much more rounded here and not just about passing tests. They also seam to do more fun one off things like sing in the Mall or do Kapa haka in the arena. Both mine were a bit ahead of there class when we arrived

pingoose · 28/09/2015 07:12

We moved back to Wellington from London last November, and I'm already planning how/when we can move back to the UK! Although currently pregnant with DC1, so that may change.

The first thing we noticed was the cost of most things - there's just nowhere near the amount of deals when it comes to supermarket shopping.

We pay $475 a week for a 2 bedroom, central Wellington flat with no heat pump. Wellington's salaries are relatively high, because of the civil service jobs, without the house prices of Auckland. However, as jellytip says, if you choose anywhere other than the city your family is in, you'll be paying loads to get home.

The other thing I miss is the holiday opportunities you get in the UK - we're basically stuck in NZ, especially since we're saving to visit DH's family in the UK. There's nothing like being able to pop to Paris for a weekend!
DH does think NZ is idyllic, and thinks our kids will have a much better upbringing over here. I think it's a grass is always greener thing!

Whowouldfardelsbear · 28/09/2015 07:16

We're in Wellington - from the UK and moved here 9 years ago and since had two daughters.

Cost of living is a lot higher than the UK - house prices in Auckland and Wellington are high, and mortgage interest rates are much more than the UK (we are on the floating rate, currently 6% - lowest it's been for a while).

Schools in our suburb (Tawa) are great - there is a real community atmosphere where we are and there is lots of opportunity for free outdoor fun. We are also a 12 minutes commute on the train to Wellington, and train travel is relatively cheap.

My girls have dual citizenship, and I have no doubt that they will probably opt to head to Europe and maybe to the UK for university!

stopfaffing · 28/09/2015 07:30

No advice OP, but I wonder whether it would be worth you visiting on holiday next year and get a feel for the place. It sounds like its a long, long time since you've lived there and things could be different now, (and be sure to take those rose-tinted glasses off ;) ).

Laptopwieldingharpy · 28/09/2015 07:57

Can you find a job in singapore or HK as a stop gap before you figure it out?

KiwiGirlAdrift · 28/09/2015 08:45

Thanks for all your replies, much appreciated Flowers For those Wellington ladies, could you tell me a bit more about Wellington?? Have only been to the city centre a number of times.

Great to know the house prices in the Wellington area, very useful, much cheaper than where we are in London. But the price mentioned above of other things (like food prices) are astronomical compared to the UK.

We are coming back to NZ in July / August for a month, where we will start doing some serious thinking about our plans, no urgent decisions need to be made yet but sometime before the eldest starts secondary school. DH understandably has some reservations about leaving the UK as he will leave his home, family etc. I haven't lived there since 1999 (god that seems a long time ago!), so yes my memories and opinions may be a bit dated Grin

Jelly your post has reminded me about a lot of things I use to do growing up in NZ, I would love my kids to experience - the beach, the outdoors, a summer Christmas. And you have hit the nail on the head about the NZ education system, I hate how primary schools here are all about results.

Ping I would miss Europe like crazy and the access to the rest of the world. It's about a 2-3 hour flight to Melbourne alone..

I don't really want to go to Asia, tbh we may as well stay in the UK. Obviously if all else fails we can sell up and move back to the UK but it's just the thought of rocking boat.

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kiwidreamer · 28/09/2015 17:56

Oh how I have deliberated on this same issue kiwigirladrift :) we've been in the UK almost 13yrs now, two kids 7 & 4yrs, life is pretty good here, everyone is settled, I've been an adult longer here than there but there is home, inevitably a rose coloured version of my childhood and an easy, fun life. A friend who lost her mother recently said to me that you'll never regret spending more time with the people you love and who love you. So we are planning to go back Nov 2017, a little over 24mths to save for Auckland house gouging!!

pingoose · 28/09/2015 20:58

First off - Wellington is cool. I know it sounds cheesy, but it really is. It totally punches above its weight in terms of good restaurants and things to do, and not just in the city centre. The city is really compact, and surrounded by lots of bush if you're into going for long walks.
Secondly - Wellington's weather is shit. The wind is just so draining, and it's constant. We never get hot hot summer days like the rest of the country because of the wind. When a nice day does come around though, Wellingtonians tend to make the most of it, because they're so rare. And there are some nice beaches around, if the day is nice enough.
Let me know if you want to know specifics. It took us a month to both find jobs (one government, one private sector), and we didn't really struggle to find somewhere to rent. You'll notice a massive difference in the quality of houses between London and Wellington - here they are cold, drafty, and unheated. If you're buying, that'll be the first thing you want to do to the house.
One thing I have noticed since being back is there are a lot more English people living in Wellington than when I left. So I guess it's an attractive place to move to!
You're looking at a minimum of $500 return to get to Australia if you book well in advance.

ToastedOrFresh · 29/09/2015 01:52

I live in regional New Zealand and after about four years I have just about exhausted the delights of it.

My husband and I will be in Dunedin for a mid-week break later this year. Just for a visit. We will go to the Elton John concert in Wellington the weekend before and the Gin Wigmore concert the day we return, so it's not all bad.

My husband is a New Zealander from Auckland. He's got family there. He wanted to be in NZ to get to know his Nephew and Nieces who will be ten and 16 this year. His elderly mother isn't getting any younger. I'm British, we met and married in Britain. He had lived in Britain for 21 years, 17 of those years married to me prior to coming to NZ in 2011. We don't have kids, never wanted any.

He can see the pros and cons of living in either country. We're here on the Lower North Island of New Zealand because of his job offer. I've struggled to find work here. I've been turned down for every job I've been interviewed for this year. I've had four weeks paid employment from an employment agency this whole year so far, that's about it. Soul destroying doesn't even cover it.

I look on with envy at the admin jobs being advertised in Wellington. OK, there's probably more competition but I'd like to at least try.

It's a two and a half hour drive from where I live to Wellington. So, just not practical on my average salary. My husband will drive to Wellington for a business meeting or course but he's on a professional salary. He does not really want to work in Wellington. I understand why, he's in a prestigious riverside office location in a small town where everything is at hand.

I'm looking into moving to Wellington i.e. housing, but as has been stated, they are cold, damp and draughty.

Would we really leave our four bedroom, detached, centrally heated, double glazed house to live in Wellington ? We paid for the central heating through heat pumps to be installed. We also paid for double glazing to be installed.

Leave all that for a short term, not-much-better-than-minimum-wage-job in Wellington ?

Although, if we go back to Britain, we might be in rented accommodation once we sell the house so, why not Wellington ?

ToastedOrFresh · 29/09/2015 02:24

We've seen just about all there is to see in Wellington anyway. We've been to the theatres there to see a show or a stand up comedian or a musician. Very good. We've been to pop concerts at the TSB arena. Also very good.

It would be like re-emigrating while staying in NZ. New area, new house, getting to know roads, bus timetables, where's the supermarket etc etc etc. I know we would miss our old house and our old, 'home town' in regional NZ.

Our housing costs would double i.e. NZD500 per week rent is more than the mortgage we pay presently. It comes to something when part of the advertising features of a rented house are carpets and curtains. About one in twenty advertised properties have a heatpump. I've heard horror stories of people being charged money to clean the mould and mildew from the rented property because they didn't ventilate it properly, i.e. leave the windows open all day.....in winter.

We would have travel costs too as my husband walks to work just now. If he travels on department business he has the use of a company car.

He could fly from our local airport to Wellington up until a couple of months ago but the local operator no longer flies that service. There's not enough value in it for one of the larger airlines to operate it.

So, when it comes to things to do in Wellington, we've pretty much seen it. Haven't seen the Zoo or Zelandia yet though. We don't have to move there to see that though.

You see, I vacillate. I can either talk myself into it, or talk myself out of it.

lavenderbongo · 29/09/2015 02:41

Hi. I love in Wellington, well Plimmerton which is about a 25 minute train journey out. We emigrated about six-seven years ago. My DH used to commute to London and i taught in an outer London suburb.

We will not be returning, we love it here. As everyone else has said, food and living costs are high, but the lifestyle is worth it. I have two girls, eleven and eight, and they love life here. Although really they know no different :)

We live five minutes from the beach, and they go kayaking, surfing, horse riding most weeks during the summer. Schools locally are good, although secondaries here are a bit hit and miss. So be careful when deciding where to live and make sure youre in zone for a good secondary.

From my point of view my life is so much better here. Work life balance is good and despite us having no family here, we have a much better support network and bunch of friends than I ever had in the UK.

As others have said, wellington is cool. Its a beautiful city and has the advantages of being easy to pop into for a decent dinner out and show, plus all the beautiful countryside and beaches on its doorstep.

ToastedOrFresh · 29/09/2015 02:44

We ended up here in regional NZ via several twists and turns. Neither of us could get a job in Auckland. That's where he's from. I could only get a short term temp job in Christchurch that ended early. He was getting job interviews, but no job offers. Christchurch was where we planned to live, where we had all our furniture shipped to.

So, when the job offer that got us out of Christchurch was the regional NZ job we both said yes please.

Now if only I could find work........

I've had several temporary jobs that have been few and far between. Don't get me wrong, I've applied for loads of jobs. Been interviewed for some, been turned down for all but five of them.

I do voluntary work to keep an up to date reference on my cv. Some could say, 'living overseas doing voluntary work, very nice too.' Don't go there in conversation is my answer to that.

Our story is the sort of higgledy piggeldy story that I would laugh at someone else for being so disorganised.

TheDowagerCuntess · 29/09/2015 03:08

OMG. this is long...!

We moved back 4 years ago in 2011. I’d been living in London for 13 years – met DH there, got married while there (well, we came back to NZ for the wedding, but were living there), had both DC there.

For various reasons, we decided to make the move. We had a great life in London – good jobs, great friends, lovely house – absolutely nothing to complain about. But the pull was there for me, and I did want to give my kids a Kiwi childhood, so we decided to go for it. DC were 2.3 and 9 months. We figured they’d transition well at that age – no school or friendship disruptions, etc. In hindsight, it was a terrible age – a toddler and a baby. What were we thinking??!

Anyway – the original plan was to head to Wellington, which is where I went to Uni (I grew up in a different North Island city which I do love, but it is pretty small, and would’ve been too much of a culture shock for DH). However, at the last minute, a job at the Auckland office of DH’s company came up, he went for it, and got it. So we moved to Auckland.

We lasted a year there. We hated it. Didn’t know anyone, two very young children who kept us very house-bound, I struggled as a SAHM with no support network, and my God, the rain... I also found it extremely discombobulating to be home in NZ, surrounded by familiar things, but in a totally unknown and ‘unfriendly’ (i.e. no friends and family) place. I didn’t know AKL at all, and it wasn’t home.

Out of desperation, we upped and left – me with the job this time, and DH giving his up with nothing to go to. We headed down to Wellington where we knew people, and instantly it was ‘better’. However, I had to completely give up the career I’d spent 10 years building up, because there was no such industry in NZ. This is common. And NZers looking at CVs in industries that don’t exist here don’t want to know you. We’re fed quite a lie about how beneficial it is for us to go off on our OE, get loads of amazing overseas experience, and then come home and waltz into whatever we want to do. Um, no. That’s just not true.

So, I had to move into a whole new industry, and absolutely hated it. Lasted 5 months. DH was home with the DC job-hunting and luckily found something just as I left. Which he hated.

We’re now 4 years, 4 months into our adventure, and only just starting to feel settled and part of it, and that is due to both of us absolutely giving it our all. When something didn’t work out or made us unhappy, we changed it or tried something else. We were very proactive; we didn’t wait for things to get better. We’re both now in jobs we enjoy and get a lot out of (I had to contract for 2 years and prove my arse off (in a different industry yet again), before being offered a permanent position (public sector; no previous experience). DH is in the only company in Wellington in his industry (private sector). The DC, 5 and 6, are now both in school. We were both very, very homesick for London in those first two years, and yearned to be back there. Every day.

Pluses: as a pp has said, Wellington is a cool city. Great restaurants and bars, always something going on, great harbour, close to so many different things, and in the middle of the country, it’s relatively easy to get wherever you need to go. The vibe is great. Most bars in Wellington are underground, or up random stair cases, or around and down an alleyway, and when you get inside them, they’re like speakeasies for the millennial generation. Very cool. The coffee is good. The food is good. The wine is good. Chains don’t do well here.

Schools. Ours is great. Each little local area is served by at least one school, and so this, more than almost anything else, draws you into the community. You get to know your neighbours, and all your DCs’ friends are a stone’s throw away. You get to meet so many people, and in this environment it’s very hard not to find at least a few like-minded souls to be friends with. And then you’re so close by that entertaining, and the subsequent post-wine getting home is very easy.

Houses. They’re cold. You won’t remember how cold until you spend your first winter! We bought an old villa and the first winter was freezing. We’ve since installed central heating, and haven’t looked back.

On the plus side....! While they might be colder, they’re also, on average, a lot bigger. And the sections are bigger. We’re in Welly itself (suburb bordering the city), and the rooms are all big, spacious rooms, high stud (no boxy, low ceiling-ed bedrooms, big enough for a single bed and a bedside table and that’s it, with narrow halls and itty-bitty living rooms that are depressingly prevalent in the UK). We had a lovely, quaint 4-bed home in London, but the rooms were typically small.

Food is expensive, as are (good) clothes, but more than that, there is so little to choose from. Clothes are either cheap polyester, or eye-wateringly expensive. There is very little in the middle. I buy a lot online from the UK.

Summer is great. Beach holidays, beach day trips, barbecues, summer days, sports, music, entertaining – everything you remember about the Kiwi summer, is still going strong. Christmas in summer. But even better – NYE in summer.

Wellington weather. Well, I prefer it to Auckland!! Give me cold over constant rain, any day of the week. It’s windy here, and it doesn’t get the heat that other regions do. However it does get more good days than I think it gets credit for. And as they say, you can’t beat Welly on a good day. You seriously can’t – it’s a stunning harbour city and on a sunny day it’s like the Amalfi Coast crossed with the Riviera. Wink

Suburbs – in terms of Wellington itself, there are several suburbs that border the city – Kelburn, Brooklyn, Mt Cook, Hataitai, Mt Vic, Roseneath, Thorndon. They’re all a very easy commute into the city (you can walk from all of these, Brooklyn at a stretch, it’s up a steep hill!)). Going further out, you’ve got Kilbirnie, Mirimar (Peter Jackson’s Weta Studios has rejuvenated this seaside suburb), Seatoun, Karaka Bay out east, Karori, Northland, Wilton out west, Newtown, Berhampore, Island Bay, Lyall Bay, Owhiro Bay down south, and Ngaio, Khandallah up north. I’ve missed a few, no doubt. I don’t know the more northern suburbs like Petone, Lower Hutt, Upper Hutt, Tawa, Porirua, etc. They’re a train-ride away. There’s also the Kapiti coast for beachside suburbs, but you’re looking at a fairly long commute into the city.

Earthquakes. Yes, we get them, but the buildings are all strengthened to withstand quakes way, way stronger than those we routinely experience.

I’m happy here now, and wouldn’t want to go back. DH misses home, family and friends and if push came to shove, I think he would say he wants to move back. The DC are now Kiwi kids and happy in school. I don’t know what the future holds, but for now, it’s good. I thoroughly recommend Wellington. If you’re going somewhere where you know no-one it can be tough, but if you have school-aged DC, you should settle in pretty quickly.

Feel free to PM me – happy to answer any questions. Good luck with your decision making! :)

KiwiGirlAdrift · 29/09/2015 07:32

Thank you all so much for your replies, so lovely to read of your experiences. Wellington is definitely appealing to me with everything that happens in the city like the bars and restaurants. Great to know the pros and cons especially when comparing to Dunedin.

Ping I do worry about the wind but I do I will get use too it after a while and it cannot be any worse than the UK's weather. Besides their harbour is gorgeous.

Kiwi nice to know I am not the only one in the same position. One of the biggest reasons why I want to move back is to spend more time with my mum as she's getting on a bit but than means pulling DH away from his. You are a braver woman than I am to save for Auckland house prices! Good luck with your move.

Toasted thats what worries me about moving back to NZ, is the unemployment rate, especially if I move to Dunedin as the regions really struggle which could be the deciding factor. Good luck with your job hunting Flowers

Dowager I couldn't hack Auckland either, don't mind it for a short visit but couldn't live there, the climate like you describe would do my head in especially thats why I lasted not very long in Sydney as I am use to Dunedin / UK weather. Those cold draughty houses will remind me of the freezing, disgusting messy flats I survived as a student when I was at Otago Uni Grin Surely it can't be any worse than those?! Might bother Dh though!

Thanks for those suburbs, will have look at them on the internet and will check some of them out when I am in Wellington next year. Especially interested the beach suburbs as I would love for my kids to grow up on a beach and get involved with surf life saving like I did freezing my arse in Dunedin's sub zero temperatures

I do worry about the support network in Wellington as I only have a couple of close friends there, all my family are in Dunedin / Central Otago / Australia. And Dunedin is 'home' to me - where I grew up, I feel safe there, mum lives there, the weather, holidays in Central Otago. Wellington just has so much going for it, I just don't know it from a bar of soap!

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spondulix · 15/10/2015 14:40

This has been really interesting to read as we're in the same boat. I left 15 years ago and haven't been back. DH is British and very much on board. We're already expats elsewhere so a transition might be a bit easier for us.

Holidays in NZ are one thing - and we've had some idyllic, gorgeous summer holidays there - but living quite another. I'm always shocked at prices when we go back, and I think it's going to be very jarring living on Kiwi wages. So we're trying to save up as much as we can before our move back - probably in two years.

We have a house in Nelson, not sure if we'll move there though as jobs will be harder to find.

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