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Any MNers in or near Cape Town

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CapeTownWannabe · 23/02/2015 22:28

Hello!

Just starting to think about possibly moving overseas as we love the area and could make it work financially. Anyone in the area? General tips, thoughts about schools etc?

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PostOfTheDay · 09/03/2015 10:55

We lived in Jourg with our four kids for 5 years and loved it. Cape Town is one of my favourite places in the world. I had friends living there. It was really easy to find friends where we lived as there were a lot of expats in our gated 'community'. My friends in CT didn't find it as easy but all settled in OK.
We found the level of education a bit behind for the lower grades but nothing that was a problem. To be honest it gave our kids a boost when we arrived to be strong academically.
I think it evens out as the kids get older.
Our kids had to learn two languages, Zulu and Africaans. You can get an exemption if you are an expat - there are conditions though and I can remember what they are.
The school holidays are more evenly distributed than in the UK - which we though worked brilliantly.
We had great supermarkets in Joburg. I can't think of anything I was missing about the UK. They have 'Woolworths' which is actually marks and Spencer's - I used to buy my food shop over the Internet from Woolworths.
If there was no crime/appalling traffic safety I would have wanted to live in South Africa permanently. The poverty and political corruption aren't great either.

CapeTownWannabe · 09/03/2015 11:04

The corruption. Is a concern, Post. How do you think it affected your life day to day or other expats you knew?

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PostOfTheDay · 09/03/2015 12:57

It didn't really, I was asked for bribes by the police a few times. I refused to pay and they let me go. They couldn't be bothered to officially fine me. They were good natured about it but it's still intimidating.
The corruption didn't bother me too much because I knew I was only there as an expat and was only in the country temporarily. It also didn't effect DHs work but that was due to the nature of his work not because the corruption didn't exist. There is a lot of corruption and nepotism Hmm
It's very different living somewhere permanently with no plan B' than living somewhere short term. As I said earlier I loved living in South Africa - it's beautiful and I found everyone friendly. The food is amazing too.

WorkingBling · 09/03/2015 15:28

I'm constantly amazed how friends and family just adapt to corruption and reality of living in that environment. I think the exciting things happening keep them focused on moving forward.

Also, at the end of the day, this is a third world country at the up of africa. If you want to live there, you do so accepting the good with the bad - beautiful scenery, high quality of life, friendly people, interesting people and environment vs corruption, lack of choice, some uniquely cultural issues.

SophieandHerSnail · 16/03/2015 20:01

Slightly off topic but does anyone have any contacts for South African immigration lawyers? For somebody seeking to live in South Africa not seeking to leave!

Sigma33 · 12/05/2015 11:05

I live in Cape Town, Southern suburbs. Public transport is perfectly do-able on certain routes, and very cheap. I deliberately bought within walking distance of a railway station and the school I wanted for DD. The Southern Suburbs railway line is one of the safest, a good presence of security guards on the stations, and guards and police on trains during peak hours - it goes into central CPT one way, and down to Muizenberg and onwards the other way. Fine for day to day travel, but if I had an important appointment I would probably use the car (and allow for traffic!).

Buses possible, but less frequent and slow. Minibus taxis the most frequent, and I've never had a problem, but some are aggressive drivers, and they have a financial incentive to go as fast as possible. Having said that, the Southern Suburb stretch (along Main Road/M4) is so busy it is stop and go and little chance to get up much speed.

Take the security scares with a pinch of salt. I work in the NGO sector and have been working in the townships regularly (and using public transport to get there) for nearly 10 years without ever having any problems. Of course, you can never guarantee, and I don't wander round places I don't know or at night. But I wouldn't do that in London. In fact, the less likely you are to see another white person, the more people look out for you, are interested in why you are there etc!

SACS is a government school, but one of the historical ones, more like a private school regarding in-take. Lots of emphasis on the sons of Old Boys.

DD goes to an 'ordinary' former Model-C (whites only under apartheid) school, now with a great mix (some are still very white) and co-ed. Very similar to the good local state school I went to in rural-ish UK. Classes of about 27-30 (primary school), experienced teachers, specialist teachers for music, IT and sport. After-school sports and music clubs for those who are keen, plus various community/responsibility/volunteering opportunities. Plenty of outside space for breaktime and sports. An IT room and library, wood panelled school hall (!) for assembly, school plays and concerts. A full and part-time counsellor, and remedial teacher; psychologist and physio once a week and access to Education Dept OT (no extra cost). School fees approx. R20,000 per year, and after-care club for R600 per month up to 6pm, where they do their homework, and have some art/games activities and free play. The after-care club operates full time in the holidays, except for about 4 weeks at Xmas.

Depends what you want for DC, but I like the fact that is well resourced without being 'precious' or selective.

We have a 2-bedroom flat in a security complex, so bottom end of the range of 'middle-class' housing - not what you would think of as 'ex-pat' housing, and not what is generally thought of here as 'white' (still a huge marker, unfortunately) - on the border of a formerly white and formerly coloured area. But I love it. 24 hour security, so I feel completely safe as a single parent. In 3 years no security incidents. Shared tennis court and swimming pool, and outside space for DD. Loads of other children her age, so always someone to play with/fall out with/make up again. Safe enough for them to play hide and seek in the dark :) It's a well run complex, so rules about no loud music etc are enforced, and the maintenance is good. the value of the flat is about R700 000, levy and rates approx. R1 000.

Anyway, this has been a long ramble! But I love it here, the quality of life is wonderful, even without much money (by UK standards). Of course, it depends on what you want for your lifestyle. But before I adopted DD I used to sail every weekend as people are always looking for crew, went hiking with a hiking club, I eat out more than I could in the UK (and there is lovely wines that cost half the price!), and can afford a cleaner.

PM if you'd like any specific info :)

Sigma33 · 12/05/2015 11:10

Oh, and one of the best children's hospital's in the world (and a gvnt hospital ;) )! But it's means tested (like all gvnt hospitals) so you do need Medical Aid.

Theknacktoflying · 12/05/2015 11:18

The big thing is the culture shock and the degree of poverty.

Unlike the UK - there are good neighbourhoods - not just good streets in bad neighbourhoods. Houses are bigger and you do get more bang for your buck. Security is paramount.

Also - politically, things are not settled. There are regular protests and major roads are closed or considered to be no-go areas. There is major issues with the supply of electricity and water - there is daily load shedding (without any power for hours!).

Sigma33 · 12/05/2015 17:04

The load shedding is annoying, but scheduled. Usually for 2 hours at a time, then another area is shut down for 2 hours. Check the website each day, and plan around it.

Working in the NGO sector I come face to face with poverty, and deal with it personally as have adopted DD from that background. That helps me deal with the feelings it brings up, as I am trying to do something about it, personally and professionally.

Who knows where things will be politically in 10 years - maybe another Zimbabwe. But maybe not.

JambotroseSA · 31/05/2015 08:01

Hi. I am a South African Mom to a 10 year old daughter. I have lived in Cape Town nearly all my life, although I am British born. We live in Bergvliet, which is in the south of the Southern Suburbs, if that makes sense. My daughter attends a private co-educational school called Reddam House. I have many friends with children at different schools throughout CPT, both government and private, so I can give you a lot of advice on schooling, areas etc, or just living in CPT/SA in general.
By the way, Children start Primary school (Grade 1) the year they turn 7. The majority of schools have a Grade R year, which is the pre-primary year. At Reddam the children can attend from Pre-primary from the year they turn 4.
You will find the SA schooling system is one of the most well rounded educations a child can receive internationally. Obviously academics is important, but there is also a lot of emphasis on sport, music and drama.
Let me know if I can answer any more questions.

JambotroseSA · 31/05/2015 08:09

I also wanted to put in my 2 cents worth regarding power and water. SA is in the middle of a power crisis and the Government run energy regulator, Eskom, is playing catch up with the building of new power sources and maintenance of existing ones after years of incompetence. We have had 'load shedding' on an almost daily basis since the beginning of 2015. This has meant a staggered 2 hour period without electricity most days. It seems to have come to an end for the moment. Most people have just gotten on with it and adjusted their schedules slightly but it hasn't really impacted us that much. It's also scheduled so you know when it's going to happen.
Although certain areas of SA have problems with water supply, it is certainly not the case in CPT. We have an uninterrupted supply of very high quality water that is drinkable from the tap. We certainly don't buy bottled water unless you want sparkling water.
Cape Town is generally a well run city. If you are a person of reasonable means you will enjoy a very good quality of life here.

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