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considering a move to australia.

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chikadee23 · 22/08/2014 13:17

hello, my husband and I have 4 children and have been considering a move to Australia for a while now but have never actually looked into it fully.
I was wondering if anybody could tell me anything and everything that they can.
our children are aged between 1 and 11 years and my husband is a joiner so he would be the main applicant I currently work in mental health as a support worker, my qualifications aren't on the skills list.

I have a friend in perth and my husband knows somebody in Brisbane so we have been looking mainly at these 2 areas , but are open to looking elsewhere. any info on cost of living, education and especially anybody who has gone over as a joiner would be really appreciated.

we both drive aswell so vehicle costs would be helpful too.

sorry for the essay and thank you in advance for any replies.

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PiratePanda · 27/08/2014 09:50

I was born and brought up in Brisbane, when it really was just a great big country town (of 2M people ;-) ) I cannot believe how trendy it's got, nor how outrageously expensive housing and food are. I don't think I will ever be able to afford to go home :(

That being said, state schools are generally good, and private schools are freaking cheap in comparison to the UK. Our local day schools here in the southeast are £12K per year for reception . My mother is the principal of a very highly regarded private school in Brisbane and her secondary seniors pay about half that!

chloeb2002 · 27/08/2014 10:49

Savoy... Holy smoke where are you?? It costs us $14 as a family to swim. My kids swim.. $22 a week ds swim squads as many days as he wants.. Dd is a senior squad member trains 8 times a week.. $34.. We get 10% discount for dc number 3.
Local museums are free. City museums are not expensive. Annual passes to some.
Theme parks on the Gold Coast.. $300 for 4 passes to three main parks for twelve months. So we go most months!
Bbq free in every park, beach front etc, 4wd down the beach.. Surfing is the cost of a board, lessons are $40 for a private lesson for an hour.
Loads of council run events that are free.
Kindy gym $6 per child.
Love it here with kids! The true land of opportunity.
Ds has special needs. His it is partly covered by the hospital. Free.
When we pay it costs $120 for a home visit. Over an hour. It's also covered by Medicare as part of a gp plan, so we get 6 sessions back per year. We got 12k to help with OT pt speech.. Etc..
No child is written off.
With bupa we get 60% back on allied health. Free dental too. Not yet used allied Heath as it always been covered by somewhere else!

MrsWinnibago · 27/08/2014 10:55

We're moving to Adelaide next year OP. That's where DH is from....Aussies take the mick out of it a bit but it's a beautiful city with stunning countryside around it.

differentnameforthis · 27/08/2014 11:14

In South Australia there is a maximum that a state school can charge, pretty sure it is $300, I pay $255 x2 (Primary school). At our school, we don't have a book list, I don't think SA primaries do this, but the high schools do.

Also, they can recommend a uniform, but cannot force parents to buy the 'official' school dress, so some wear the gingham style you have in the UK.

Not sure what High school does though, I'll find out in a couple of yrs!

I know that visa class doesn't affect school fees in primary (state) schools here.

But as savoy said, each state has it's own rules (for lots of things)

differentnameforthis · 27/08/2014 11:34

Swimming at the (decent) pools costs $26 for 2a & 2c. They have water slides, which cost $2 a go!

The cinema costs $70 for the same people. We can rarely afford to go. The zoo is nr on $100 for all of us too.

ElphabaTheGreen · 27/08/2014 14:15

differentname It's almost £100 for the same-sized family to go to our local zoo in the UK, so it's swings and roundabouts when it comes to cost of family outings. As long as you have decent health insurance (which really isn't that expensive and accessible to everyone - nothing like the US) and a bulk-billing GP, healthcare isn't that bad but I was shocked when, being used to paying about 99p for paracetamol in the UK, I had to pay almost $10 for the same quantity of a generic brand in an Aussie chemist. Shock

Surfsup1 · 27/08/2014 22:37

Icebergs costs $18 for 2 adults and 3 children - now that has to be one of the most beautiful pools in the world! - What do you get for $35!!??

Surfsup1 · 27/08/2014 22:48

Stripy, it very much depends where in Aus you are and where in the UK you're comparing it to. Even in the inner areas of Sydney there are some lovely walks, but there certainly isn't the easy access to actual country-side.

I think the main thing to take away from this thread is that what's great about England is not the same as what's great about Aus, so trying to do a direct comparison is not very helpful. To work out which you'll prefer you need to closely examine which aspects of your lifestyle most contribute to your happiness and then look at which country/area best meets those needs.

echt · 28/08/2014 05:41

What Surfsup1 said is spot on. Wise words said to us when we got here were "don't compare".

For the OP, you absolutely need to visit before you jump.

Glastokitty · 28/08/2014 06:08

Am I the only person who was mad enough to not visit before emigrating? Grin.

In fairness though my husband was born here but left when he was seven.

chloeb2002 · 28/08/2014 06:56

In shocked the prices people are paying! Paracetamol.. $1.89 at chemist warehouse for 100 tablets... 10$!!! Woah!
Zoos expensive yes but no more than anywhere else in the world!
I do think it's good to visit but it's also hard as then you are on holiday mode ?? everything better greener nicer ..

DetMcnulty · 28/08/2014 07:32

Glastokitty, I'd been to Sydney a couple of times, but had never been to Perth before. The price of housing in Sydney put us off when we were thinking about where to go, but now I go over there once a month with work, it seems so fast paced and difficult to get around that I'm glad we didn't end up there. It is a very different lifestyle to WA.

I do think you have to shop around a bit more for certain things, and take advantage of offers where possible. We got to cinema a lot, so for us it was worth getting a loyalty card, $60 up front, but now all our tickets are $10, and we get other deals like 2 for 1 tickets every couple of months, free drinks and popcorn, so works out less than the UK. But I've never been one for the theatre or concerts, so I don't miss that Perth is a bit lacking in that area.

chloeb2002 · 28/08/2014 10:17

We get 4 admissions .. So 2 adults 2 kids or 3 kids 1 adult.. $35 for most family movies, I'm the holidays! Gold class $35 a head from racq. Yes I shop around. But I would in the uk too! I still can't believe what some people pay Confused

chloeb2002 · 28/08/2014 20:17

Oh and dh and dd1 went to see bonjovi when he was here. It cost $25 per head and included the train fare in!

MumofWombat · 29/08/2014 06:22

I'm in Perth. I moved here 4.5 years ago on a fiancée visa to marry to Aussie DH. We now have two little Aussies running around the place. We're in Redcliffe which is near the airport.
I still get shocked at the price of our supermarket shop - $4.50 for a kilo of bananas!?!? And dont expect supermarkets to be like Tescos/Sainsburys. They are more basic than that. But on my 6 minute drive there I pass 5 parks. It might be the 'burbs but there's lots of green open spaces which visitors always comment on.
We find lots to do of little or no costs. From playgrounds, beach, parks for walks (Kings Park is lovely - coming up to wildflower season which is always special!), the national parks at the edges of Perth (We went to Lesmurdie Falls earlier this week), swimming, the zoo (we have yearly passes which work out very reasonable). I keep my eye out for things promoted in the West Australian or local blogs for free/low cost family fun things for us to do.
Whilst moving to the UK is something we'd consider I can't see it happening. The sporting opportunities (both to play and to watch) are good here and the weather is on our side! I've never worn a coat here in winter, and luckily we have solar panels so we crank up the air con in summer!
When we've visited the UK, the kids in particular miss the room we have here and the open plan style of house.
My DS has a rare heart condition and the level of care we have had from public health has been amazing - including the level of care I received during my second pregnancy and the care my DD had to thoroughly check her over. My DM has worked in the NHS for a fair chunk of her working life and she doesn't think we'd have received that level of care in the UK.
We decided to go with a public school for our DS - he'll start Kindy just before he's four in February next year, as they can access extra funding that private schools can't for extra staff to be in the classroom and training for them in case it is needed. We are very happy with the choice we have made (but yes - I've seen the price of school dresses for when DD goes and it did make me wince!) but as we'll only pay a voluntary contribution of $50 a year it's not bad! I do know that it does depend on your visa what you may have to contribute.
Do your homework and do plenty of research and remember that when you come on a recce trip you 'll be on holiday and everything may seem rosy, you need to imagine working and living in the heat not just being on holiday.

skinnysoyvanillalatte · 23/09/2014 03:12

Another Brisbane lass here.
We moved over in april 2013.
The cost of living is enormous, rent is HUGE and terrfifying.
Brisbane is lovely though.

differentnameforthis · 23/09/2014 05:00

Our local cinema doesn't have a loyalty card option, so it's almost $100 per family, or nothing.

And I was a amber of the RAA for years & they didn't do specials for the cinema either.

So it's all well & good to be Shock at what people spend, but it might be a good idea to realise that some times, others have no choice.

HowsTheSerenity · 23/09/2014 05:00

Few Brisvegas people around. Woo Hoo!

differentnameforthis · 23/09/2014 05:03

DH saw Bon Jovi while he was here, we paid $30 for his ticket.

That is the exception rather than the norm. The last concert dh & dd went to we paid $100 per ticket, cheapest ticket.

differentnameforthis · 23/09/2014 05:05

When we've visited the UK, the kids in particular miss the room we have here and the open plan style of house.

I must say that this is what was most apparent to me when we went back the first time. The size of the rooms! They seemed so small.

Thumbwitch · 23/09/2014 06:04

Just to add another NSW perspective - non-city.

It IS expensive. Rail travel is about the only thing I've found to be substantially cheaper - just under $12 return to the city (2h each way) - amazing! But you pay more than that to go 3 stops within the city to the airport - they really hammer tourists! Oh and car fuel is cheaper too - but cars themselves are more expensive. although they do last longer - when we moved out here 5y ago, we looked around for a car and I was horrified at the mileage (kilometreage doesn't sound right!) on them, but it's quite normal to get a car running for 200,000 km (about 125,000 m) and more here. Built differently, less damage, I don't know - but they seem to go for longer.

Food - the price of fresh produce varies massively week to week, which can make budgeting tricky! The supermarkets pass on all the price variations from the markets/supply and demand - sometimes this works in your favour, other times not so much.

Health - although currently bulkbilling makes GP visits free at point of visit, if the new budget is ever agreed, it will cost everyone to go every time. If you don't have a bulk-billing GP, it's $35 a visit round our way. Not sure what it's going to be if the budget gets full approval. You have to pay for children's prescriptions; you can take generics instead of named drugs and get them cheaper, but it's still around $18 for a course of liquid antibiotics. You don't get free anything for being pregnant either! We have health cover - you have 1 year from arriving in Australia to get private health cover without age loading. Australian citizens have up until their 31st birthday to get it without age loading as well; after that, they pay extra for every year over 31 they are. Being as how I was quite a lot older than 31 when we got here, I made sure we got it within the first year! Including ambulance cover. DS1 needed an ambulance a couple of years ago; the bill came to us and was, iirc, around $600 but our insurance paid it.

House prices where we are aren't in the astronomical bracket yet, thank goodness. But rentals can be! And are hotly contested.
Utilities - electricity is pretty damn expensive, but then it is in the UK now too, I believe. We have solar panels to offset the cost and have been very grateful for them - originally I calculated they would be paid off in about 8-10 years, but electricity prices went up so much that I reckon now 5-6 years is more like it.

School - non-city NSW, our primary school has a voluntary contribution of $20 per term. But DH is Australian, as are both DSs (one by descent, one born here) and so I am the only one here on a visa - if your children are on visas too then you may have to pay school fees for them.
We also have to pay for extracurriculars like gymnastics, as they bring in an outside teacher for it. But apart from that it's not too bad. As others have already said, children can start school between ages 4 2/3 and 6 - they must be in education by the time they are 6, but they cannot start unless they will turn 5 by the 31st July in the year they start. Most children who would be 5 in June or July hold back a year, so are nearer 6 when they start. It's easy to do here, and is in fact often recommended - they like the children to be socially and emotionally ready, as well as academically.

Things I miss most about the UK are central heating, a nice airing cupboard; being able to go out without being eaten alive by mozzies within 10 minutes; flat areas where I can walk and cycle far more easily than I can here (I know there are flat areas in Australia but not where I live, in the foothills of the Watagan mountains!); nice summer days (early spring here is the closest approximation). Small things, really. Big things I miss are friends and family of course; and my DSs growing up away from my Dad and sister and their cousins.

Shenton · 30/09/2014 01:10

I have only one piece of advice as a mother of four, living in Perth. Do not come with out residency. On a 457 your life will be impossibly expensive and difficult.

kram0903 · 30/09/2014 22:36

Hi, my family are planning a move to Australia in the next year. I have a young daughter who will be coming but is unaware of our plans at the moment. I also have a teenage son who lives half with me and half with his dad. I don't think my son would leave his dad to be honest but I want to offer him another choice in life for when he is older. I have arranged a meeting to discuss the options but am not too good with words. Any ideas of how to approach the discussion would be greatly appreciated. Has anyone else been in this position? Many thanks

Shenton · 01/10/2014 00:55

Why would you even entertain leaving your child ..... What could possibly be so important in Australia ?

HowsTheSerenity · 01/10/2014 01:49

Teenage son - no age given. He could be 18. Perfectly acceptable.