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Es herbstelt schon! Autumn in Germany and Austria

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LinzerTorte · 11/10/2013 07:56

A thread for all those living in Germany or Austria or anyone who just wants to chat/ask a question about living in or visiting this part of the world - all welcome. Smile

Previous thread here.

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MrTumblesBavarianFanbase · 16/11/2013 07:32

Errol my 6 year old is wearing his snowboots already, but my 8 year old is still wearing canvas trainers (with a ski jacket which she refuses to do up, and woolly hat) - we are in Bavaria, which is generally one of the coldest and snowiest parts of Germany. No snow yet, actually quite mild - hovering around 4 degrees, no wind chill, doesn't feel that cold. Tea, Whisky, local honey or jam, for the parents. For the girl herself I don't know - some teen mags in English along with something edible - toffees go down well. Are you near the lake district - Kendal Mint Cake would definitely be something you don't get here! My eldest is 8 so I don't know what 15 year olds are into! Inexpensive locally made jewellery?

People here put onions (sliced in half, cut part on the ear) on the ears for earache - tied on with a scarf, I've seen it! (They only seem to do it to children, although maybe in private they do it themselves). Under the bed is a bit of a mystery? Maybe the idea is a bit like primitive vapour-rub? Though they'd have to be peeled - in the process of being peeled... :)

Those long school days without food sound horrible. In year 1 and 2 DD finished school at 11.20 4 days a week and 12.15 the other day, and still took Brotzeit to eat in the 20 minute break :) Now in year 3 she has school 8-1pm (except Fridays when she finishes at 11.20), but they get 2, 20 minute breaks and she takes a sandwich, babybells, an apple, and often goes to the tiny village shop 20 meters down the road from school and buys sweets a Bretze with her pocket money too - then is home for lunch by 1.30pm as well. I hope once she is at secondary school she'll continue to take Brotzeit and to eat it! I can't imagine any of my kids going more than an hour and a half without food atm! Shock plantanos I can imagine my kids flipping out like that in the afternoons too - when DS1 was doing a slightly longer KiGa day he was a nightmare in the afternoons, and there was no hunger in that equation, it was just too much for him - he's much pleasanter after a 4 hour KiGa day, even though he'd like to stay longer as I often interrupt some important building project he and his mates are deeply engrossed in when I pick him up at 12.30 Shock :o

Wooly my DD never got out of her cot on her own at night, even though like your DS she had bars out and got in and out herself in the day and at bedtime. She just used to howl for me from her bed - even when in a toddler bed and sleeping through til 5am, she'd just howl for me when ready to get up, and I had to go to her quite promptly before she woke her baby brother so it self perpetuated, in the end I did a reward chart to get her to get up quietly and come to us, when she was about 3, or nearly 3... My boys have never had the issue, I think its just personality (DD has a somewhat fevered imagination and has since tiny, so can imagine all sorts of horrors if she gets out of bed in the dark - I think this is also why she was night dry later than DS1, as she didn't want to get up and go to the toilet in the night!)

Which reminds me Linzer it's great that your doctor is being so helpful with you DS's night issues - there is an 11 year old boy who lives opposite us, he's at Gymnasium, but his mum still tells people about the night time pull ups he still has to wear! Shock I really think she should stop chatting to other mums about it now the poor boy is 11! Hmm

Best go, the kids are demanding second breakfast... Hmm :)

MrTumblesBavarianFanbase · 16/11/2013 07:34

Errol www.wetter.de/deutschland/wetter-koeln-18220679.html handily gives you a "dresscode" too :o

AmblingAlong · 16/11/2013 17:58

Errol, dd is in year 9, pupils aged between 14 to 16 years . They don't have a uniform but every year they kind of copy each other and end up wearing the same thing! This year the girls are all wearing this sort of shoe as the winter boot of the year! I'd say December will be too cold for canvas shoes. Warm socks or thermal tights would be the best bet with boots if they're planning on going round the Christmas market or day trips etc. No need for snow boots though if they're in the city.

Cadbury's chocolate, fudge, marmalade, lemon curd and tea are all classic gifts to bring. I can ask dd what she and her friends would most like to get from the UK if you'd like more ideas. In summer they were all obsessed with Baby Lips lip balm only available in the US. It's just gone on sale here in Germany this month and they all rushed to the shops to get some!

My neighbour in our last flat was into homeopathy and herbal remedies and she once made us a cough mixture out of raw onion and sugar. Tasted OK and helped ease ds's cough. She also told me to put a cut onion next to the bed at night!

petitemom · 17/11/2013 18:53

Interesting onion talk!

Linzer, will have a look at Deichmann next time there's a new shoe requirement (highly likely)

Linzer and Ambling, TV licence now sorted, thanks :)

On a different note, the cashiers at REWE have been giving us strips of little WMF logo stickers. I'm guessing there's some promotion going on? Can anyone shed light on this?

SpookedMackerel · 17/11/2013 20:11

Petitemom if you collect 30 stickers you can buy certain bits of kitchen equipment at a discounted price - I know they have electric mixers and digital scales. You can get a little card at the till to stick your stickers on, and on the back it will show what you could buy.

BerstieSpotts · 17/11/2013 20:45

I love the wetter.de site that helpfully advises you on what to wear Grin

I'm in South West Germany and the weather here is no colder than the UK normally is at this time of year, with much less rain. There's snow forecast for next week, but it was forecast last week and it never came.

Kendal Mint Cake is a great idea, or Eccles cakes? Too fragile perhaps? Good English tea (Yorkshire Tea or even just PG Tips) - really hard to find good strong tea here.

Shoes - something like this?

I would say take the snow boots - perhaps wear them on the plane as they will be bulkier - and take the normal canvas type shoes. Unless the snow boots look totally ridiculous, anyway. I have some primark converse and have been wearing those although I have some sort of boot type things which look a bit like walking shoes and are lined with a furry type material which I prefer as they are warmer, but I've been going to work at 6/7am recently so the warmth is needed.

If she's good with money you could put a bit extra in her account in case she sees some she wants while she's here - I hate shopping for shoes but find it much easier in Germany because there are loads of styles which are practical rather than just fashionable and I find it much easier to find things I actually like.

On a random unrelated note - if she has a smartphone, MAKE SURE she disables roaming on her mobile internet - it costs a fortune. Most networks now have a cap on the spending limit but it's still about £50 or so. You can reach that frighteningly quickly. A good practical tip for her is to download the Google Translate app (free) and then download the German dictionary on it while she's at home, and it will be available offline so if she gets stuck or needs to translate something she can do it. With internet roaming off, obviously she can still access wi-fi so if her host family has wi-fi she should be able to facebook to her heart's content there Grin

ErrolTheDragon · 18/11/2013 10:11

Thanks for all the helpful tips, everyone. Thanks

DD had suggested tea, I thought that was a bit of a cliché, sounds like she was on track. She'd already mentioned the data roaming, she's quite sensible like that - good idea about the app/dictionary. I'll point her to that wetter site too.

The footwear solved itself, I think, as she asked for some Doc Martens for xmas after I'd posted so we got them this weekend rather than waiting - should do the job with warm socks. I love the look of those furry boots, maybe I should ask her to find some for me! Grin

hupa · 18/11/2013 10:42

Errol I hope your dd has a great time.

I know a couple of people who wrap raw onions in a cotton cloth and then wrap it round their necks when they´ve got a cold. Luckily they don´t go out in public while wearing them.

DD must be really lucky because she gets a 45 minute lunch break and they´ve got a school canteen where she can get freshly cooked hot food if she wants. Mind you, she would rather do without the lunch break and come home 45 minutes earlier.

plantanos I hope your ds is feeling better.

Nutella a very belated congratulations from me. Did you go away on honeymoon?

platanos · 18/11/2013 14:02

Thanks for all the onion stories. Interesting. I had never heard anything about it. And not something I will be taking up, I don't think. I don't like raw onions in any form, and especially not stuck to my ear or round my neck. Also shuddered at the thought of raw onion and sugar.

errol I think Doc Martens are a good solution. I was thinking of getting some for myself but have hesitated because mutton dressed as lamb issues, and the last pair I had took ages to break in and cost me a fortune in plasters. So good idea to get them now and break them in slowly!

hupa how civilised to get a lunch break! DS is better, thanks, I picked him up early and is now asleep.

spooked did you get to watch the film?

Some Christmas markets are open here - it's big business here. DDs wanted to have a look round yesterday. I can't get too excited at the goods on offer, though. Same old, same old.

And I am waiting for the plumber to come and have a look at a couple of radiators that don't work. I should be off to clean the house - cleaner cancelled again today. I am beginning to think she did not like me swapping bleach cleaning products for vegan/eco- friendly products!

ErrolTheDragon · 18/11/2013 14:43

Platanos - she wore them round the house for the remainder of the weekend...including when she was trying to work out a warm-up routine for her PE class today, I was in the room below when she started on the star jumps! Grin

AmblingAlong · 18/11/2013 17:06

Errol dd tried a pair of Doc Martens on the other week and I was quite relieved when she said they didn't feel comfortable as they were 179€! She settled on a similar style for 49€! Should be nice and warm for December outings anyway!

platanos I agree with same old for the markets. dd is also really looking forward to ours starting in Hannover. It's more and more expensive every year too. If all 4 of us go it costs a fortune just for one drink and a snack each. Lucky for me, dd is now old enough to go with friends so she can decide what to spend her pocket money on and when it's gone - it's gone!

hupa sounds good that they get a proper lunch break. Is it a ganztagsschule? Our gymnasium is building a canteen but it won't be ready before my 2 have left so atleast 3 years are planned for the building. Seems along time but that's the plan as it looks as if ganztagscule is coming, ready or not.

Berstie great tip about the roaming. Don't suppose you could give me a good tip on which mobile to get the dc. They have Samsung 'smartphones' but they aren't smart enough so I'm told. For example they can't download Whatsapp. They need to up-grade but I'm not prepared to spend 400€ for the latest phone seeing as I need to buy two. Any ideas? I have an ancient mobile and no idea about what's OK.

Well, dd has gone off to training on the tram (ds missing his training toda yas he's gone to sleep). On the way out she said I don't see the point in doing a hobby, I have too much to do for Gymnasium. She's stressed about getting a good report in January so she can use it to apply for Praktikum and has a good chance of getting a good work experience position.

SpookedMackerel · 18/11/2013 18:14

Doc Martens were fashionable when I was at secondary, funny if they have come round again - maybe I should dig out my ancient purple pair. Or the pink Timberland boots that were my pride and joy.
Or maybe not Grin. Fortunately DC are still young enough not to find my clothing choices excruciatingly embarrassing.

Platanos yes, we did watch the film, it was excellent! And we had a Chinese takeaway as well, so great luxury. Very impatient for the next one to arrive, although have put a few for the DC on the list too, so it will prob turn out to be the Lion King or something.

I am excited about the Christmas markets, though I can see how the snacks get expensive. They had a small harvest market in town the other week, just a few stalls and a carousel, and we spent 4 euros just one one portion of chips (they were fantastic though), then 6 Euros on 2 carousel rides for the DC, then another 4 on a few measly roasted chestnuts to share.

outnumberedbymen · 18/11/2013 18:19

As always, I'm scanning the thread, catching up on what's been said, and then don't have time to write...

ambling how about htc mobiles? Me and my siblings are decided into htc and iPhone - 2 of us ave iPhones, the other two ave htc. Much cheaper, a d they are very happy with it.

Not really much news here. Got a Krisensitzung at the Jugendamt tomorrow morning re ds1. And met a psycho fellow dog owner this morning who threatened to report me to the police because our puppy (admittedly now very large and playful) puppy ran up to her dog, tried to get her (aggressive) dog to play and he took at least 15 seconds to return to me (with an injury to very close to his eye from her dig's teeth).

Anyway, sorry for just popping on so briefly again. He.lo to everyone. Hope you are all more organised than me - I still have summer tyres on and there's snow forecast for Wednesday!!

BerstieSpotts · 18/11/2013 18:44

Which samsungs do they have? I'm guessing something like the tocco lite which is touchscreen but not android?

I had a very basic samsung (Galaxy Apollo, so basic that it's not sold any more because it's not capable of running the newer stuff) and that ran whatsapp. The Galaxy Ace, Galaxy Y (AKA Galaxy young) or Galaxy Mini (NOT Galaxy S3 mini, that's a higher market one) will all run Whatsapp.

I would not recommend the cheap HTCs as they tend to be shitola. Mid range is okay, top range good, but the cheap ones are not great. Samsung is much better for budget phones, make sure they're definitely Android, and they will run whatsapp.

BerstieSpotts · 18/11/2013 18:45

Which phones DO they have at the moment? If you're not sure of the actual model the model number will be under the battery or you can go into Settings/About Phone and it will tell you there.

AmblingAlong · 18/11/2013 21:02

Berstie thanks for the tips! At the moment they have a Samsung Wave 723 S7230. They've had them for over two years so probably completely old fashioned now! I was looking at Sony Xperia as I found some around the 200€ range. There are so many though, too much choice and I have no idea what to look for except wi-fi and android ...Confused dd might like this or is it a bit small? Samsung

outnumbered sounds like that woman has a problem with HER dog. Hope your puppy is OK.
HTC look nice too - too much choice!

spooked I remember DocMartens from my youth too! I've been trying to get dd interested in getting that style for years and she's always looked at me as if I'm mad. Then this year, it's all she wants! I didn't realise they would cost so much over here. I'm sure they're cheaper in the uK.

ErrolTheDragon · 19/11/2013 08:59

Ambling - DDs Docs were these £95 - she might be able to try them on locally but then buy off the net? It's still quite a lot, but DDs feet are pretty much full-grown now so she should get years of use from them. (Kid's sizes are more like £55-60)

FrauEnglischLehrerin · 19/11/2013 09:36

Hi everyone. I'm a regular who hasn't been on for quite a while, although I have tried to keep up reading the thread now and again. It's great to see several new posters - I'm in Thûringia and have a 4 yo dd.

Ambling - if you want I have an iphone 3GS (three years old, small crack on back) and a cheap htc (DH bought it to bridge a three month gap until his contract was up for renewal, so virtually new and he had no problems with it). I'd be happy to send them to you if you're not planning to give your kids new phones for Christmas.

Can I also just grrr about kiga and footwear - a sign was up today saying they would no longer put anything other than WARM shoes or boots on our children and that unlined wellies should be taken home. I suppose the need for a sign indicates that I'm not the only parent sending their child in "inappropriate" footwear, but honestly, when should you wear unlined wellies if not in autumn Confused?

MrTumblesBavarianFanbase · 19/11/2013 10:04

FrauEnglish won't put unlined wellies on your dd, but that's OK - obviously she can put them on herself! ;) I got told to get DS "fest" shoes for the forest - I did, at some considerable hassle logistically (though second hand so no great expense at least) ... and of course they haven't been to the forest since :/

FrauEnglischLehrerin · 19/11/2013 11:45

mrtumbles the same thought had occured to me too about dd putting her own wellies/shoes on! DD's group went to the forest last Friday, but since they only gave us half a day's notice, and PIL had picked her up on Thurs, I took her in thin tights and a pair of trainers and had to scramble together a pair of socks to wear inside the inappropriately unlined wellies. It was fun making MIL feel guilty about not having checked the notice board, though - she rang up on Sat to check dd hadn't developed pneumonia overnight Grin.

BerstieSpotts · 19/11/2013 14:56

Ambling I would recommend this which is a bit cheaper. It comes in white too. The S3 mini is a pretty good phone if you do have a higher budget though. If you want to compare models or read reviews, www.gsmarena.com is fantastic.

www.amazon.de/Samsung-Smartphone-Touchscreen-Betriebssystem-onyx-black/dp/B007UOXRS6/ref=sr_1_1?s=ce-de&ie=UTF8&qid=1384872114&sr=1-1&keywords=galaxy+ace+2

Yes the Wave isn't running android which means that it is a bit outdated these days. You want to look for something with a decent sized internal memory - at LEAST 1GB, otherwise after you put a couple of apps on it they freeze up. A lot of the older/more basic models have this problem.

FrauEnglisch the iPhone 3GS is now unsupported so apps will stop working on it sooner or later - okay as a phone but pretty useless as a smartphone. Only problem with technology moving on so fast these days!

One of the girls at DS' kindergarten has taken a real shine to him and the other English-speaking boy there. Today when I picked him up she was all over him, literally pulling/holding him so he couldn't get his shoes on. He seemed to find it a mixture of "Do not want" and hilarious, but I was really stuck! I couldn't say "Get off my child, you're supposed to be upstairs with the other children!" because I don't speak enough German. Eventually I sort of separated them physically and just said "Nein!" and she left him alone then. Then we went to Aldi on the way home and a little boy of about 18 months kept following him around and trying to hug him! Again he was just standing there sort of looking a bit uncomfortable, and the mother was saying "Okay, sag tschuss! Sag tschuss!" and trying to drag him away. We had to double back to avoid them. Bizarre.

platanos · 19/11/2013 17:21

FrauEnglisch bizarre about the wellie boots. It's not that cold yet, is it? Grin at poor MIL worrying about pneumonia, and you having fun! I am glad your dd survived and does not need to go around with onion accessories.

outnumbered hope the Krisensitzung went well. And that you did not hear from the police about the dog incident. I think they might have better things to do, unless you live in a veeery low crime area, with no need for any prevention or educational work.

spooked glad you enjoyed the film. We bought it ages ago and have not watched it..yet. By the time our dc go to bed, we are both too tired to watch anything long. Enjoy The Lion King!

I did not mean to be spoil the Christmas market magic. There are some smaller ones around town that are quite cosy. But the big one in front of the Rathaus is a bit too commercial. Plus Glühwein makes me sick - it must be the combination of wine and sugar. I hope I don't get banned from this thread for confessing that Wink.

bertie how old is your ds? It sounds sweet but not if he is uncomfortable about it. Thanks for the phone information. DD1 wants one, but I don't think she needs a mobile yet.

Plumbers came - most impressed - they rang to let me know they would be here at 14:15 even though we had agreed on sometime between 14:00 and 14:30. They fixed the broken radiator (yipeee, it was the bathroom one) and will come back to change the rest soon. Best news: landlady pays!

Off to do showers and dinner. A mild curry, but it contains onion and celery amongst other things- healthy things like vegetables. DC are going to love me!Have a good evening all!

BerstieSpotts · 19/11/2013 17:33

He's 5 but he's not ever been very good at saying "I don't like this" - he just goes quiet and still and sort of retreats and sometimes laughs as a defence mechanism so it's hard to tell if he's actually having fun or not.

However he recently had his kindergarten report thing and they said he was starting to tell other kids to stop doing stuff he doesn't like, which surprised me. But then, I suppose, you still have the age old problem of when you tell someone you don't like something and they take no notice and carry on anyway.

They have all been playing some kind of kiss chase game apparently which he thinks is fun but he's starting to realise there's "more" about kissing than it just being a random thing you do to anybody. He went all shy when he was telling me which girls he had kissed Grin

SpookedMackerel · 19/11/2013 18:11

Berstie your DS sounds lovely, and very similar to Dd -and we also have just been told by the Kiga that Dd was now much more able to tell the other children when she didn't want to do something. Dh and I almost fell of our chairs in astonishment (to be fair, we were perched uncomfortably on tiny kiddy chairs, with our knees around our ears - I always feel it adds an element of farce to trying to have a serious conversation about your child's progress when you are huddled precariously on a ridiculously small seat Grin.)

Platanos I'm not a huge fan of Glüwein either, though I liked a cherry one I tried last year, and also a white wine one .

AmblingAlong · 19/11/2013 18:27

Berstie thanks for the tips again. I've saved all the different models on my wish list and will go over them with the dc when we get time, then dd wants to go and have a look at 'real' phones to get an idea what she likes. I'll probably order online in the end though as I find there are better offers than in the likes of Media Markt or Saturn. I like the S3 mini but dd wants to look at the Sony Xperia ones that she has her eye on.
Your poor ds! How is he coming on with the langauage learning? It's so frustrating when you can't speak the language isn't it? I remember getting really mad at myself for not finding the right words to tell someone off or speak my mind on so many occasions!

platanos dinner sounds lovely, I'd be happy with that! Hope they eat it! Great that the heating got fixed, don't fancy a bathroom with no heating at the moment. Our caretaker just came by to check something and left big lumps of black soil all down the hall way. He then started trying to push them out of the front door with his boot making even more mess and I had to shout nein, lieber nicht so!

I feel your pain FrauEnglisch and MrTumbles, finding shoes/boots/slippers/wellies/trainers for the dc has always been one of the absoloute worst jobs here in Germany. Funny, back in the UK I always managed to get them affordable and nice looking shoes when they were smaller. Now I just have the problem of them having to suit the 'fashion according to teens' and my budget! Won't be long until they stop growing and then I won't mind investing in an expensive pair of shoes or boots for them.

Errol those are the ones dd tried on (but burgundy I think) in size 5 but she said they were uncomfortable (thank goodness). I have no idea why clothes and shoes are so much more expensive over here. It's the same with sports wear. I now order online from the UK and even with postage, I save a fortune.

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