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HK v Singapore

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Mummysaysno · 06/07/2013 04:25

We're currently in HK, and DH has a chance of a job in Singapore.
I'm not sure how different life would be for the kids in Singapore...here in HK I miss flat green space and the chance for the kids to just run and be...and was planning on settling in a country where they can do that.
I also don't want the kids to always be told off by security guards wherever we go, or me having to tell them off before a guard tells them off before the guards can, for just 'being kids' (running/climbing)
This isn't an anti HK thread...there is plenty to love about this place, I'm just thinking about the things I don't like and wouldn't want to move to a new place to find again.
So please Singapore people, tell me what your kids lives are like in Sing?
Thanks!

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Mummysaysno · 06/07/2013 05:11

...to add, what I'm really saying is, life for kids in Singapore would need to be significantly different to justify uprooting the children again...if it's broadly similar to HK then why would we bother moving, as they are settled here.

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pupsiecola · 06/07/2013 08:09

How old are your kids OP? My boys are 10 and 8 and weren't as active as they usually are during our time in Singapore. I have never been to HK though.

Mummysaysno · 06/07/2013 08:36

Thanks pupsie...8,6,5...and plenty of energy!!!! Go on...tell me your thoughts!!

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MasterOfTheYoniverse · 06/07/2013 08:55

Our children's life in HK (southside) has been broadly similar to being in Singapore.
We are in a condo with extensive facilities and their everyday routine (school - playground/pool) did not change much so in that repect not much of an upheaval.

a few things that are different in or experience:

On the whole, school are vastly better in Singapore. We are still reeling from the trauma of finding suitable school places in HK. 3 years on, we are generally disappointed by the standards in HK and for that essential matter would definitely consider going back to HK.
In terms of after school activities, its pretty much the same, all readily available.
Mandarin tuition is much better in HK though and DC get more opportunities to practice. There is a sense that english is NOT the dominant/native language and it really pushes them (and us) to make an effort. The proximity to China is more marked so a more interesting experience than sterile Singapore.
In Singapore, its a status thing and locals only speak (very bad) english/singlish.

Lots of flat land to run around in Singapore for sure but you need to get used to the constant weight of the heat and humidity. Its really different from HK as its relentless. You'll be in the pool most of your waking time when kids are not in school or doing an air conditioned activity. Which is lovely but not a patch on having seasons and hiking/running/tennis/sailing in crisp air.
The scenery is also very different. HK is stunning for the contrast between sea and mountain. In singapore, you hardly remember you are on island as there is no such dramatic reminder, the beaches are totally a waste of time. But the lush vegetation makes any walk really worthwhile.

Life in Singapore goes at a different pace. Its an bubble caught in a tropical time warp. It really feels like you are on holiday all the time (even for working parents). For me it was a bit unsettling after a few years. I did get Island fever. It all gets a bit incestuous and you cant take a step outside without bumping into someone.
I find adults much happier in HK, fast pace in town to work/play/discover vs chilling on the beaches, hiking/sailing. The best of both worlds.
I also meet much more interesting people in HK. Some are roughing it up, some have fab expat packages. Better mix in terms of age groups and background/industry. You can feel the nitty gritty of being in a big city in HK. I get the feel that you are in an inspiring environment which gives you a lot of energy to set out and learn something new or develop on a professional level should you be so inclined.
Singapore is pretty dull in comparison and increasingly difficult to work with a dependant visa.
I think the kids also benefit from seing a bit of dirt in the street and walking around old local neighborhoods (kennedy town, wanchai, aberdeen). No such exposure to "real life" in Singapore which had made mine very disconnected from the "normal" life.

People generally more cliquey in Singapore with dividing lines roughly around nationality/ethnicity & schools (same as HK but more marked).
The school mum scene is hugely important in Singapore as much less trailing wives work. So its a usually a very welcoming close nit pack which makes our children's life great.

Let me know if you want any more specifics. Hope I sound balanced on the whole. We love both but now prefer HK. Better suited to our life goals now. We loved being in Sg with very small children (and a new baby) it was the best place to be for us at that stage in our life.

HTH

MasterOfTheYoniverse · 06/07/2013 08:55

Hi Pupsie! All well back home?
x

Mummysaysno · 06/07/2013 10:14

Thanks Master, not so far away from
you right now!...Hoping to hear from some Singapore-slingers telling me exactly what I want to hear! I'm wondering if neither place is right for us long-term, and what I'm after is only going to be possible in UK/US (which is where I've always wanted to settle tbh!!)

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pupsiecola · 06/07/2013 19:17

Thanks for asking MasterOTY. Yes, very much so. Youngest DS is very happy at school. Very quickly made friends with a group of lovely boys. His teacher here thinks he is a little behind with his maths, but thinks it's all confidence related. She doesn't think there is anything wrong with him. She is a mum of 4, and a grandma, in her 50s with oodles of experience. Got his MAP results from SAIS last week. "Typical Student Growth 14, DS's Growth 20". We are totally confused and pissed off. I have written to the Board Directors at Cognita asking for a) an explanation and b) some fees back.

DS1 is okay but he takes a while to warm up to things. Poor thing had just started feeling settled in Singapore so it's been tougher for him.

DH is here atm for 3 weeks (having been to Seattle, New Zealand, Korea and Singapore in the last month!). He is getting a transfer with his company on a very similar package which is fab. He'll be here for 2 weeks and Korea of 2 weeks until December. It's very doable. We're making friends here - everyone is lovely. Very friendly. Love living here. Halfway between Southampton and Winchester, 25 minutes from the New Forest. We apply for senior school for DS1 in October and the best state academy in the country is within a 10 minute walk.

I still feel a little bitter and disappointed that our 2 year adventure was only 1 year. And I'm still processing it all. But things are turning out well. DH and I still hope to try the US when the boys are grown up. Who knows. If things go from strength to strength I guess we won't!

Thanks again. Hope all is well with you. How much longer do you have there?

MasterOfTheYoniverse · 06/07/2013 19:44

Pupsie, so glad to hear things settling and DH gets to keep the buzz going with his job.
These relocations back home are sometimes traumatic for a career, so its great to hear its not been the case.

Mummysaysno, good luck! Not sure what you want to hear. If you'd asked pupsie, she would have said that her school experience was very traumatic, completely the opposite of ours. To both of us that was central to our relocation. So I suppose, it depends who you ask and what frame of mind they are in.
You really need to think about what YOUR family needs at this particular time in your life.
xoxo

Saltedcaramellavacake · 08/07/2013 13:02

I haven't lived in HK so hard to compare but I think life is good for my kids in SG (6, 4 and 20 months). To address your specific query - I can't think that they've ever been told off by a security guard (although we live in a house so maybe some condo staff are strict) and there is plenty of space to run about (although it is very hot and humid all year round...). They live a more outdoors lifestyle here than they did in London, but less than they would in parts of Australia or parts of the US where the climate might be more temperate. There's another thread about the up and downsides of SG so I won't repeat what I said there, but I think Master is right - it's about what's important to you and the kind of upbringing you want to give your kids. I would not stay in SG forever (too small, too easy to feel like a big fish in a small pond, hard to redress the sense of entitlement that can develop when there is live in help, business class travel, resort holidays, limited chance to experience a deep family connection with extended family, transient friendships) but it's a good experience for a few years.

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