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What is life really like in South Africa?

44 replies

GoSuckEggs · 25/02/2013 15:09

How safe/unsafe is it really?
Can you go for a walk to the shops safely? what about at dusk?
can you go out for a pub lunch? Go for a day at the beach safely?
Do you have to live in gated areas?
can you take the kids for a walk to the park?

I guess I mean how different is life in south africa compared to the uk? I have always been drawn to south africa. I would love a true idea of what it is like living there.

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ExpatWifey · 28/02/2013 15:45

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GoSuckEggs · 28/02/2013 16:32

thanks guys. there is a huge difference in experiances.

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FreckledLeopard · 28/02/2013 17:07

My ex-husband was South African and we got married out there. I'd visited a friend who'd lived in Cape Town prior to meeting ex, and had a great time in Cape Town. I stuck to certain rules - never went anywhere alone, took taxis, locked car doors when I drove etc - but found the city to be beautiful and never felt scared.

However, I then went to Durban (where ex's family lived) and loathed it. Scenery etc was stunning. But actually living with a South African (white) family in their gated house (barbed wire on top of walls; neighbours had electric fence on top of walls) gave me a sense of life in South Africa (outside of Cape Town) and it was so depressing. I hated the inequality, seeing women/babies trying to make a few rand selling things on the sides of the roads. I hate the feeling of being caged up and unable to walk around, walk to the shops. I found the casual racism ghastly. Ex's family had a black maid and black gardener and seemed to think they could order them around, talk rudely about them and act like colonials.

Then there was the talk about the way the 'natives' or 'blacks' would drive, how it wasn't fair that her (ex-SIL's) children couldn't go to medical school because positive discrimination meant that black people had priority ('but the blacks aren't clever enough and will drop out, so it will be ok'). Ghastly.

Obviously not all whites are twats out there, but the segregation really is apparent and so unfair. Plus the issues with lack of healthcare, corruption, violence....god knows how it will ever get solved, if at all.

Obviously I'm biased having had ghastly wedding/time out there. BUT, I would still never live there, because I couldn't bear the lifestyle, the killings, the unfairness of it all and the massive discrepancies between black and white. The country, though, is stunning.

Salbertina · 01/03/2013 08:16

Unbelievably beautiful- stunning landscapes and colour contrasts- vivid blue skies against bright green trees...
Friendly and warm people who enjoy themselves and laugh readily
A young, growing country with huge potential

Also violent, corrupt, unequal and chaotic.

I love and hate it in equal measure.

Itsjustafleshwound · 01/03/2013 12:55

Cape Town may be geographically in Africa, but it is its own place and not like the rest of South Africa at all ...

Xenophobic, corrupt, racist, violent

ajandjjmum · 01/03/2013 13:15

My DC both spent a summer in a small town on the East Coast (school exchange) - on separate occasions. They were careful, but walked to and from school, met friends and generally enjoyed life there. DD so much that she talks about going to live in SA eventually.

Internationaltraveller · 09/03/2013 14:11

I lived in Cape Town for a long time and recently went back. They have really cracked down on drunk driving and driving and mobiles. I feel better about the driving there than I do here in Canada where people drive and text while on the highway.
You do need a car in Cape Town.
ExpectantDad123 - whereabouts are you moving? The Kingsbury Hospital in Claremont is where a lot of women I know have given birth. It's really nice. I think one of my friends got involved in a mummy group throughout the hospital.
The thing that absolutely sparkles about Cape Town is the amazing weather and outdoor life - that and the relaxed attitude of the people.
AngryBeaver no-one I know in South Africa walks around with a card in their bra!
ExpatWifey thanks for your honest account of what it's like to live in Cape Town

notmydog · 22/03/2013 13:39

People so easily say that there are crime everywhere. That may be true, but I think there are few places where crime is so violent and brutal as it is in South Africa. This is a stunning country, such lovely people, wonderful weather. But we can't justify bringing up our DD here anymore, while she is a British citizen. We're leaving for the UK next month.

ArabellaBeaumaris · 28/03/2013 13:38

top 10 reasons you should move to Joburg despite the crime rate

Thought of this thread.

ccgirr · 16/04/2013 21:59

I live in jo'burg, been here over 2 years, and can walk around comfortably during the day down to the park or to local friends though you often don't want to in the heat! I also carry a handbag at all times and find a lot of people dress smarter here perhaps being a big city we were more out in the sticks in last uk location. I wouldn't walk at night but I don't feel any less safe than I did in London. There are parts to avoid in all cities. It is a great outdoors life for kids. Lots of outdoor cafes with play areas. It is expensive with private schooling, healthcare but then the schooling and healthcare is great because it is private. There are some good government primary schools too. We find it a great life.

FifromN12 · 16/04/2013 22:29

I'm still debating UK vs Cape Town... So hard to know if we making the right decisions especially when children are involved...

newbohemian · 03/07/2018 13:59

The standard mumsnet answer is surely the nonsensical: "There are good and bad areas, like everywhere."

Mistigri · 03/07/2018 23:09

Where and on what sort of income?

I go to SA for work regularly and have good friends in Jo'burg and Cape Town. CT friend lives in a very rich area outside the city that seems relatively safe though obviously they all have security fences, gates, etc. Jo'burg friend lives in one of the nicer suburbs but the security guard of her gated housing estate was shot a few years ago and she's had no electricity for 5 nights this past week.

There was a time that I'd have considered taking a job in SA but not now tbh - much as I love going there for my job.

WallisWindsor · 06/07/2018 19:59

FreckledLeopard- thank God you left what seems like a despicable family. Smile

thefishwhocouldwish · 06/07/2018 22:51

zombie thread

Linning · 07/07/2018 14:38

I know it's a zombie thread but I would personally never move to SA.

Most people there who can afford it are moving out and for very good reasons. Insecurity and crime is through the roof (and the police absolutely useless!), especially in cities such as Joburg and Cape Town and the only way to feel a bit safe is to barricade yourself into your house with electric fences and pretty much avoid going out. I found no quality of life in SA. Constantely feeling like I was walking on eggshells, seeing my gran get attacked with knives, hearing stories about how people lost a mother/son/uncle and whoever else to petty crime because people will pull the trigger on you for a phone without second thought.

Landscapes aren't even that impressive if you have done a bit of traveling around the world. Sure the Garden road is nice as is table mountain and a few sights around Cape Town and Knysna but really nothing one can't find anywhere else. SA is extremely americanized and you could easily believe you are in the US because apart from the different languages you actually have a hard time finding anything left of the african culture in South Africa.

Personally I didn't find anything worth constantely living in fear in South Africa to ever make me want to go back.

The country has an enormous potential for sure, but crime has ruined it all unfortunately.

maxthemartian · 15/07/2018 12:08

Landscape isn't that impressive?
Well I suppose it's subjective but I highly doubt most people would agree with you.

And it's really not Americanised. What bits of African culture were you hoping for, people wandering around in animal skins and grass skirts?

Actually that died still happen, African culture is very much alive and well but if you stuck to Cape Town and the Garden Route then you wouldn't have seen it.

Linning · 15/07/2018 14:19

I am sorry but the landscape really isn't that impressive yes the table mountains are absolutely stunning like are a few of the smaller towns and the wildlife BUT if you have been outside Europe you can find mind much impressive in much safer spots (you can also probably find more impressive in Europe actually.)

And no I didn't expect clichés of Africans walking around half naked and dancing around to summon the rain. I am part African so don't have stereotypes regarding "Africa" and "Africans", I didn't stay around Cape town either. I traveled in local public transportations with local people all over South Africa for weeks on ends including in the middle of absolutely nowhere but even finding local African food to eat was close to impossible all you could find, even in smaller towns was burgers, pizza or a variety of both. South Africa is extremely modernized which has its positive but also its negative as I personally felt it lacked a lot in terms of culture which is strange considering how diverse culturally South Africa is.

I personally don't think there is anything in South Africa that's worth seeing that's worth the feeling of insecurity that you feel there as most of what can be found in South Africa can be found elsewhere IMO. Of course people can disagree but I personally wasn't impressed by South Africa and was quite disheartened by how insecure the country felt and wouldn't encourage people to move there. At least not in its current state.

I don't think you would find many locals urging people to move to South Africa. I definitely didn't. I spent time with locals of all kind of backgrounds and while some were used to the way of living there to the point they were just used to the crimes and restrictions it involves, most were either in the process of leaving, wanted to leave or were making sure their kids would be able to leave the country for a better environment and none of the people wanting to leave were planning on ever coming back.

If you are going to uproot your family to a new place you should be certain it is to provide them with a better quality of life. Can you honestly say that someone moving to South Africa would get a much better quality of life ? The OP was asking about safety and the reality of it is that for the most part the country isn't safe. If you have kids they will end up living a much more restricted life in SA than they ever would in the UK or other countries and I can't think of one thing that SA has that would make it worth the restrictions of living there.

maxthemartian · 17/07/2018 14:56

Well, tastes are personal and what one person will find awe-inspiring might leave another one cold. However, most people probably would be very impressed a lot of the natural beauty across South Africa. Cape Town is very strikingly set against Table Mountain, and it’s scenery towards the tip of the peninsula is really beautiful. Kirstenbosch Botanical gardens are arguably one of the most beautiful in the world. The nearby winelands are incredibly picturesque with their almost Alpine hills and the old Cape Dutch architecture.
There are just so many amazing places, many of the national parks are as much about conserving the outstanding geology as they are about the Big Five, such as Augrabies with it’s waterfall in the desert, Golden Gate with it’s incredible sandstone formations, the breathtaking Valley of Desolation.
Then there’s the Wild Coast with it’s incredible coastline, rock formations and forests. The Little Karoo with it’s stunning semi-arid scenery. The Blyde River Canyon area which is just jaw-dropping. I could go on but you get the idea.

As to the lack of local food, to be honest traditional Southern African cuisine is fairly basic – pap (maize porridge), moroho (greens) and some sort of meat, often offal stews. It’s available in any little township restaurant and there is now a national franchise (Cheesa nama). Probably the nicest traditional cuisine is the Cape Malay cuisine which is available very readily all over Cape Town at various price points, and nationally. The Durban area also does some of the worlds best curries.

There is still a rich cultural life in many areas, especially the tribal areas (former homelands) one can observe all sorts of festivals and celebrations which people are not putting on for tourists but genuinely living – girls in nothing but white paint and grass skirts dancing by the side of the road as part of their initiation ceremony for instance.

As to crime and safety. Yes it’s an issue, it’s a much more dangerous place than the UK. Having said that, crime really concentrates itself in poorer areas. There’s less of an edge in some ways though than here – more economically motivated crime and less random aggro.

Yes it would be different to the UK in terms of family lifestyles, but that is as much driven by for instance the city layouts being far more geared towards a car culture.

When I’m there I worry a lot more about poor driving than I do crime, it really is atrocious although Cape Town probably not as bad as other regions and there are country regions where the roads are extremely quiet. But the national roads at the start of school holidays are a nightmare.

And obviously the weather is much better than here if one likes warmer sunnier weather.

Would I encourage anyone to move there? I wouldn’t say no, but I’d probably also point out that it’s politically in a tricky phase at present, there has been widespread corruption over the last few years so a real lack of service delivery to the poor, as well as very high inflation, so there are a lot of pissed off people, a lot of protests, and a lot of more extreme political parties making capital from this (although I don’t see the ANC losing power anytime soon).
Certainly for a lucrative work contract of just a few years I’d say go for it to anyone asking.

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